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  • Pelosi: South Carolina Boeing Plant Should Unionize or Shut Down

    In an interview late last week, House Minority Leaeder Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) told CNBC that Boeing should either unionize its production facilities in South Carolina, or shut them down entirely.

    “Do you think it’s right that Boeing has to close down that plant in South Carolina because it’s non union?” asked host Maria Bartiromo. Pelosi’s reply: “Yes.”

    The minority leader quickly added that she would rather it simply unionize and stay open. But barring unionization, by Pelosi’s reasoning, it should simply shut down.

    Boeing is the target of a suit from the National Labor Relations Board, which accused the company of retaliation against a machinists’ union in its decision to open a new plant in South Carolina, a right-to-work state, instead of Washington State.

    Pelosi may or may not know that workers at the South Carolina plant in question voted resoundingly (199-68) to decertify their union two years ago. Government policies that would close the plant for being a non-union shop would simply be punishing those workers for exercising their right to determine union representation for themselves.

    “The Administration is trying to foist unions on workers, whether they want them or not, whether union representation would help them or not,” Heritage’s James Sherk noted in response to Pelosi’s statement. As for the more general issue of Boeing’s suit, Sherk called it “a good way of discouraging businesses from building new factories or plants.”

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    84 Responses to Pelosi: South Carolina Boeing Plant Should Unionize or Shut Down

    1. Bobbie says:

      Could someone ask ms. pelosi what her precious desperation to force unionization controls on employees that don't want them, is? Why she gives no credit to any employees that can work freely and peacefully without the hand holding of a union and their costly dues? we'd like to hear her answer!

      • Ron W says:

        Bobbie – Ms. Pelosi does not have a clue as to what is going on in the world. She's just so wraped up in herself and wanting to be speaker again and doesnt care about anyone else.

      • Suzanne Wehrly says:

        Votes for reelection, plain and simple.

      • DFWUWAAHRC says:

        She wants everyone in a union so unions can forcibly take dues and then send that money to the Democratic party whether the union members are liberal or not. Always follow the money and power trail. Without union money flowing to the Democrats, the liberals would be out of luck in most elections. It is money laundering through laws and rules to flow money to Democrats. Unions have not been about a better workplace for a long time.

      • Ken says:

        The reason why is the unions in America are the biggest supporters of the left

    2. vern says:

      I used to work for two different firms that had operations in Washington State and had to deal with unions. Back during the construction of the Alaska pipeline, my oil company employer constructed huge oil facilities on huge barges in Tacoma to be moved to North Alaska for oil pipeline processing. The unions knew we only had a one month window to get the barge up there and offload the facility, so they threw a wildcat strike demanding wage incireases. It put the project behind and we had to pay FOUR times as much to complete the work in Alaska. The next year, the oil company moved all annual production to Taiwan (I think – somewhere in Asia) which was non-union and much more reliable. That was the cause of the great decline of Tacoma – greedy unions played games and they paid for it. Just the supply contract I was involved with was $400-million, not including all the labor to assemble the parts in Tacoma – all gone. That is most likely why Boeing wants to move – remember they already moved HQ to Chicago from Seattle. Pelosi is a pox on the political scene, and Boeing should be allowed to move to a right to work state. I am in Florida, which is right to work, and it is lovely.

      • Mike says:

        So your company had the option to produce in Alaska or Washington, and moved production to Taiwan out of purely altruistic reasons? I don't know that the union's were right, but isn't calling them "greedy" kind of hypocritical?

        • Scott says:

          A company has the right (IMO) to move anywhere they choose to, as long as the new destination welcomes them. The federal government has NO right (again, IMO) to tell companies where they have to build facilities or to force them to be union. We ALL know why the dems want unions to have the power…it's called job security (the politicians' that is).

        • Bobbie says:

          we also know companies wouldn't take the time and spend the money on a move had there not be conflicts of interests, pressures from authoritative abuse imposing impracticalities on the businesses.

        • NO_O_n12 says:

          Did you miss this part "…The unions knew we only had a one month window to get the barge up there and offload the facility, so they threw a wildcat strike demanding wage incireases. It put the project behind and we had to pay FOUR times as much to complete the work in Alaska. …"?

          Construction and fabrication of equipments and system on the North Slope of Alaska is drastically more limited and restrained in Alaska than in the contiguous 48. Thus the additional delays and quadrupled costs. What is the point of surrendering to union demands if it will bankrupt the company? Why should the unions expect a supply of golden eggs if they kill the goose?

          And NO! Calling the union greedy IS NOT hypocritical.

      • Garry chalk says:

        I would call that cutting your nose off to spite your face. Ask yourself this how much would it have cost to accede to the unions demands? I would accuse the company of bad management if I knew the window was crucial. If the costs of the demands were more than 4 times as much I would say they made a good move but we both know that is not the case otherwise it wouldn't be news. Some corporations are dumb as dirt

      • Guest says:

        I worked for a money hungry union. What do the unions get out of this I saw someone say. Bif time union dues. You think the goverment takes your money well the unions get a percentage of what u make.That contract we finially got b/c but you had to work so many hours iun a week ro get it for $50.00. yea that was great but then union dues go upso the raise we got went to medciaL AND UNION DUES. the union makes you afraid of your employer so you settle for less, they got a five year contract out of that and this new contract they got three years with no pay increases but the union still takes their money.

      • John says:

        Florida is lovely if you can survive on 25,000 a year!

    3. Larry says:

      Sounds like Occupy Wall Street aren't the only ones against capitalism. It is even more interesting when you learn thatBoeing at the same time expanded the work force at their unionized plant.

    4. George McFatridge says:

      This is a violation of free speech and freedom of Choice, It means that Pelosi is ready to make us all toe the line of the Dictatorship, and communism. This is wrong, because it violates the Constitution.

      • thinkingdownstream says:

        Boeing is comprised of citizens who have freely associated together as a company – a legal entity – which they are supposed to free to do. So, actually, it would be more accurate to say that what Pelosi advocates is that the government willfully, and with malice aforethought, violate the rights of the people who make up Boeing (shareholders, employees, management), specifically their right to free association.

        Thomas Jefferson: "To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association—the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."

      • NO_O_n12 says:

        Does anyone know if the workers on Ms. Pelosi's properties in California are unionized? Does her husband's companies only have union shops?

      • wiley says:

        any american should be able to build a plant any where that they want to without any government meddeling.that is what is wrong with america now.we dont need any dirty union in any co,and pelosi needs to find her a good sewer pit and jump into it……

    5. Vicki Crist says:

      This is criminal – our government is acting like union thugs. We have to got to stop this.

    6. Henry Felter says:

      In the old USSR the only people who could vote were Union members. I'm sure that Rep Pelosi would like that to be the case in the US. After all all the stimulus ends up taking care of privare and public sector union jobs, and the hell with the rest of the working people in the country. It's deplorable that our Press sits by and let's it happen and actually aids the Washington Elites to do what they want

    7. Silverspoon says:

      No one should have to join a union. I do not understand the tax structure that forces union membership (or penalizes those who do not join) and then is free to donate to political candidates or causes. Companies move out of the USA to get beyond the grasp of Pelosi and company.

    8. CNorman says:

      Pelosi's position is the same the communists take in every country that they invade. it's time for American's to take a hard stand against such tyranny and hold fast to the freedoms that have made this country great. No longer can we sit idly by while dictators like Pelosi and Obama and Reid undermine our nation's constitutional rights. WAKE UP AMERICA!! We are under attack by those within our own borders.

    9. NYCDude49 says:

      Things like this make me sad for the future of this country. Instead of creating jobs in this country the manufacturers will simply shift even more work overseas.

    10. CESWT says:

      The framers of the Constitution wisely made the remedy for flagrant abuse of power (like this NLRB usurpation of Boeing's rights to build anywhere it wants) to be the ballot box. These people will pay dearly for their reckless adventurism into dictatorship.

      • Suzanne says:

        We can hope!!

      • Robert says:

        They won't pay, sadly, because the people of this nation have forgotten their duty as Americans to learn and understand every single issue and about each candidate and then cast their vote .. I may be a bit off, can't remember the exact number, but I think the average percentage of voters that actually vote is somewhere around 20%, but may be a bit higher .. sad state of affairs for this nation and it's future as people would rather be taken care of by the gov't rather than be in control of the gov't…

    11. Sal says:

      It is time to defeat the unions and in doing so eliminate the flow of union dues dollars into the Democrat Party!

    12. franksalterego says:

      Is this the same "Nancy Pelosi" who's husband runs a non-union tuna-packing factory?

    13. Lawrence Burnham says:

      This is yet another major example of government attempting to control private business. The current leadership of this country knows that they cannot control the population as long as we remain independent. By unionizing the country, they can further their goal of a socialist country. My hope and prayer is that SC remain strong in their resistance of union and government interference. We, the people of this country must stand with them!

    14. sarmi says:

      All the more compelling reason to take a stand against the Democratic obstructionists. It is Time to take a stand and vote Nancy off the Island.

    15. Bjorn says:

      The fact that a Liberal news network is realizing what is wrong with the government forcing people into union groups, shows that there may yet be hope of cleansing our corrupt establishment. With some hard work and cooperation, we can turn this country back on its original road of democracy and freedom.

    16. bill says:

      Unoins do nothing for the company or the employees except raise the cost to do business for the company and reduce the amount of money the employees make…I've worked for a company that had manditory union membership and it sucked, I made less money, and had less benefits, won't do it again…

    17. Ken Olshein says:

      is it any wonder unemployment is so high with Democrats running or should I say ruining things

    18. ABIGAIL says:

      THIS IS AMERICAN PEOPLE. THIS COMPANY HAS EVERY RIGHT TO OPEN A PLANT WHERE EVER IT WANT TO FOR WHAT EVER REASON IT WANTS TO. WHY DONT THEY TALK TO ALL THE COMPANIES THAT HAVE USED THEIR RIGHTS AND LEFT THE US COMPLETELY!

    19. Sully says:

      Pelosi and her ilk are exactly why this country is struggling. What in the hell is happening to our country. The bigger question is why are we allowing it to happen.

    20. Daver says:

      The only way to defeat the Unions is to stop buying American made vehicles, stop using UPS, insist on your states and communities electing anti-union candidates, etc…

      Yes–it hurts to say that. I only bought American until a few years ago when they drew the scorched line in the sand that said–Up with Union, the Hell with America. So I say the Heck with them!!

      Go to Heck SEIU–Same to the AFL-CIO and any of the other money laundering pawns of the Democrat Party!

    21. Oy. So Nancy Pelosi thinks it is better to be unemployed than to have a non-union job. Too bad we can't have her enjoy some unemployment with no other source of income and wih depleted savings…maybe she would then have a different opinion.

    22. ald says:

      P_ss off Pelosi!
      Let the workers decide.
      None of your business!

    23. Fran says:

      Why not unionize Congress so that Nancy Pelosi could not open her mouth and spout off. In a union shop if you have a complaint you must go to the union steward (the speaker of the house) and he/she must express it to management (the American people). That woudl also eliminate a lot of the squabbling in the Congress.

    24. Lloyd Scallan says:

      How can anyone but a freak vote for Pelosi? Has America fallen to the level that the people will allow a person that is so far left and continues to stand in stark contrast to American values and common sense, make laws that effect all of us. Is this country that far gone.

      • TimAZ says:

        No America is not that far gone. A handful of states within America are that far gone and we must exorcise some tough love and allow those states to fail on their principles. That means no bail outs. It is the only way those states can be restored to American standards.

    25. Dear Boeing. The great state of Texas is a right to work state. We have large areas here that are prospering and we know how to keep unions under our thumb. Please consider moving to Texas. We have great barbeque and everyone is very nice. We would love to have you!
      Love Texan Americans.

      • Suzanne says:

        Good of you to offer, but SC is also a right to work state. The NLRB hasn't a leg to stand on considering NO jobs were lost in WA, and in fact, additional jobs were created. Sadly, it will cost Boeing millions and years to see this resolved. Need any more proof that this administration and it's minions are not doing a da*n thing to create jobs other than government jobs that cost tax payers?

    26. RNB says:

      Pelosi seems unaware that the plant was union — IAM — before Boeing bought it. The workforce decertified the union.

    27. RolloverRiderPGR says:

      What do you expect from a moron congress critter that will be known forever with this statement…"You have to vote for it before you know whats in it" OR the fact that she owns a few motels and wineries and not a one has a union in it! Go figure what drivel falls out of the blowhole under her nose?But of course this idiot wants a union instead of a right to work. Where will he reelection money come from? Why does the American worker have to pay for a job IF the job pays them a salary and even throws in a few benefits? Where does it say they MUST offer any befits? Do any of you know where "benefits" came from and why? Stop and think before you finish reading…think about it… After WWII companies started offering these benefits called holidays, insurance, retirement to draw workers away from the completion or to get workers in the door! Benefits never became law's or mandatory until unions showed up. Now everyone thinks companies owe you something. If you are being paid and you agreed to that wage stop crying. It's NOT your company but another. If not happy quit and move on and let someone who knows that what is being paid is fine. IF you want more money (before these whiny occupiers take it all from you) then come up with an idea, build it, market it, open a plant, decide how much to pay those who come there to work and then wait for the unions to come in and TELL YOU whats fair! No one ever held a gun to anyone head to take that job! If I were to open a business and then a union came in I'll shut that door so fast and move off shore because IT's MY COMPANY! Screw you! figure out why inions are not needed these days!

    28. Mrs. Humes says:

      Ms. Pelosi is showing off her communistic thinking! Does anyone recognize this? She wants government to rule and be paid highly for it while stomping on the freedoms of the ordinary citizen who is capable of making good nation-benefitting decisions without the interference of government.
      Businesses need to have the same freedoms. Government should NOT interfere. NOR should they hand out bail-outs to help perpetuate the stupid and the bad business decisions they make.
      Free enterprise which is the "child" of true Christianity has built the greatest nation on earth. I do not intend to diminish God's role in all this, in that HE blesses those who live by His rules of purity and kindness. The proof is in the results: America used to honor God above all else, and has reaped many benefits of good weather, and multiple other blessings. America not only feeds much of the world, but does more to help in every disaster and continual need for many, many nations who are in the shape they are in because they inhibit freedom of religion, and free enterprise. True Christianity models true freedom.
      Ms. Pelosi, sit down and be quiet. You obviously haven't studied much World or American history.

    29. Rose123 says:

      How does she keep getting re-elected?

    30. phasesplitter says:

      Nancy keep your unions and your socalist ways out of South Carolinas bussiness.

    31. Michael says:

      My grandparents helped to form unions in the early 1900's, but with this kind of thinking, they are both flipping in there graves!!!

    32. FmrUSMCRnTX says:

      No surprise here, the leftists LOVE labor unions! Pelosi is the epitome of left-wing idiocy…the same woman who as House Speaker stated "we have to pass the bill to find out what's in it" while speaking of Obama-Care. Now we KNOW, Ms. Pelosi! Thanks Heritage, Mr. Markey for the great work and thanks to those who've commented on this INSANITY!

    33. It does make wonder about Californians and their mentality or lack thereof.

    34. Jon says:

      Who is Jon Gault?

    35. Art says:

      Maybe miss big mouth should be fired from the house because she failed in her job there to pass a budget. She has not room to talk about anything

    36. Jerry Smith says:

      Hey, democrats, read this. You still think Nancy Pelosi cares about the little guy and wants to create more jobs? Only if they're union jobs I guess.

    37. Jeanne Stotler says:

      They need a special prosecutor to look into her association with Unions, Is she getting a pay-off from these big Union bosses, are they financing her elections, I agree VOTE her off the Island and make sure she takes Reid and Obama with her.

    38. Notarepublican says:

      Do you people really think this is the whole story? This statement comes at the end of a 46 second clip of an interview that I am sure was much longer than that. Do some friggin research already. Spin spin spin.

    39. Bobby says:

      What's new? She's an idiot.

    40. Allen says:

      These people would rather destroy an industry (and their employees) than go against a union. Their ultimate goal is to socialize our economy, just like the now defunct USSR.

    41. Ihatelibs says:

      Boeing should be non union or Pelosi should be hung!

    42. GENE says:

      Pelosi needs to shut up and go away. This jerk is as bad as obama and reid and the three of them want to destroy America. We have rights in this country and I am getting damn sick and tired of these un-americans trying to tear this country apart. We need to wake up and get rid of all of them and do it now. Fire/impeach obama (if it leads to riots – so be it), recall pelosi and reid on grounds of being un-american and all three need to be charged and imprisoned.

    43. Linda Sasada says:

      The dems are afraid of unions losing their power and their ability to make huge contributions to Democratic politicians.

    44. Jeff Georgia says:

      Simple solution. Boeing should announce plans and begin construction on a new plant outside of the US; perhaps Mexico, Costa Rica, or Brazil. Along with a major ad campaign about how they wanted to build the aircraft in the US to employ thousands of American workers, and that they are sorry about it, but were prevented by US politicians and unions. Let the Democrats explain that to the voters who are out of work.

    45. bigdaddy says:

      I remember when Seattle and the State of Washington mistakenly thought that Boeing would never move their corporate HQ from there to Chicago. Most of Boeing's commercial aircraft plants are only about 150 miles south of Vancouver, BC and I'm sure that they would never pick up their tooling and move north across the border to build airplanes. Nah…never could happen…

    46. evermyrtle says:

      For the good of America Pelosi, Holder, Reid and 24 others should be "shut down." I know there are more that 27 who should shutdown but get these and the top 24 and we can begin to recover.

    47. padeeya says:

      Gee Nancy, maybe you should say that to your husband, who's winery fields profit from non union and illegal laborers.

    48. billy barney says:

      It pains me no end to realize this Country my family members fought and died for no longer exists. Why is it that the Media (biased as it is, and almost every Republican member of Congress is publicly mute on this Boeing issue?)
      Can no elected public official speak out and tell the historical political truth about Ms. Pelosi, who her father and brother was/were as proud members of the Socialist Party; and publicly espoused it, while serving as Mayor's of Baltimore, Md. Oh, pray tell, might that be considered an ad hominem attack and politically incorrect? How is it that these people are sponsored by The Democrat Party? Has it gone Communist too; one might ask? (emphasis added)
      Moreover, there are 70 members of the House of Representatives currently sworn in who are proud members of The Socialist Party and its high time they were publicly ostracized contemptuously by the other 365 members of the House of Representatives. Where is it written these Bolsheviks have the right to be sworn in once their declaration as Socialists has been publicly acknowledged. The rights of the individual prevails, not those of a group in The Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. There are no individual or political rights guaranteed in the Constitution which allows for the purposeful breeding of the means to overthrow this Republic…
      It might be said; based on her past performance, Ms. Pelosi is now a full-blown Communist and should be treated as such where ever she be seen or heard.

    49. billy barney says:

      It pains me no end to realize this Country my family members fought and died for no longer exists. Why is it that the Media (biased as it is, and almost every Republican member of Congress is publicly mute on this Boeing issue?)
      Can no elected public official speak out and tell the historical political truth about Ms. Pelosi, who her father and brother was/were as proud members of the Socialist Party; and publicly espoused it, while serving as Mayor's of Baltimore, Md. Oh, pray tell, might that be considered an ad hominem attack and politically incorrect? How is it that these people are sponsored by The Democrat Party? Has it gone Communist too; one might ask? (emphasis added)
      Moreover, there are 70 members of the House of Representatives currently sworn in and serving who are proud members of The Socialist Party and its high time they were publicly ostracized contemptuously by the other 365 members of the House of Representatives. Where is it written these Bolsheviks have the right to be sworn in once their declaration as Socialists has been publicly acknowledged. The rights of the individual, not those of a group prevails in The Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. There are no individual or political rights guaranteed in the Constitution which allows for the purposeful breeding of the means to bring down this Republic…
      It might be said; based on her past performance, Ms. Pelosi is now a full-blown Communist and should be treated as such where ever she be seen or heard.

    50. Hillbilly says:

      We talk about Third World Countries and their bribes……we spent many dollars fifhting the Mafia and their 'strong arm' tactics….. which profile fits Nancy Pelosi?

    51. Patrioticnut says:

      The NRLB should be the one being sued for coercion and domestic terrorism. Any group that tries to control a company the way they are is guilty of both. If the case that Boeing was moving to S.C. to punish the union, good for Boeing! It is within the unions rights to go on strike if they don't like something, it is also within the companies rights to close the doors if the union pushes to hard. Boeing should close up shop in Washington and move to one of the right to work states entirely, screw the NRLB and the union!

    52. Amy C. says:

      Hey Pelosi! It's none of your business!!! How about saying that to Governor Nikki Haley's face and the 5000+ workers of that plant! I am sure you would not be so bold, Miss Thaanng! We would love to get onto Boeing plant in Charleston. What a difference that would make for my family. We don't want it unionized. We don't want to pay dues to some pathetic group – for what?? We can take care of ourselves….we don't need a union to do it for us. If you don't like the conditions, LEAVE!

    53. Mike, Wichita Falls says:

      I thought Pelosi was pro-choice. Why does a woman have the "right" to do with her fetus/baby what she wants but a business can't locate where they want or employees can't refuse to unionize?

    54. kevin jeske says:

      She needs to worry more about het own state which is in a hell of a lot worse shape then we have in SC. Then again, can CA blame their problems on her? I would say so!

    55. richardcwa says:

      Is this the same Pelosi who refuses to allow the workers in her (and her husbands) restaurant and winery the right to union representation??????
      She and her multi-millionaire husband will not allow their employees to unionize – typical for a liberal democrat, the party of hypocrites!

    56. This woman is truly dangerous…..dangerous to everything this country was founded on. It doesn't even matter to her what the VOTERS of South Carolina ratified overwhelmingly.

    57. Howard says:

      It's Pelosi people. She knows that she and her Dems won't be receiving the millions of dollars from the union to fund her party. She is not completely out of touch with the United States of America, she's just greedy!

    58. Mark Winzenread says:

      If I were running Boeing and had to close or unionize I'd just move the jobs to India where I didn't have to deal with this stupidity. Airbuss sure doesn't. Unions don't protect jobs. Just look to Detroit for proof of that.

    59. Duane Toole says:

      "Comments are subject to approval and moderation. We remind everyone that The Heritage Foundation promotes a civil society where ideas and debate flourish." Will my comment be published?

      Today's news shows Boeing closing a large union plant in Wichita, KS. To avoid union lawsuits, they claim that all production from the closing facility will be moved to other union facilities. But just be patient: Boeing will open plants in "right to work" states like South Carolina and Virginia, and continue to close union shops. It's the same old tune: more money for executives, less for workers. And, of course, the Heritage Foundation supports this ideal.

    60. Bill says:

      Nancy should be sent to China. I am a manager for a MFG firm and I work everyday to keep jobs in America. We give up margin and do what ever it takes to build products in the US. Our government fights me everyday. But I won't let Nancy win. If I send any job to China it will be Nancy's. Manufacturing Jobs in the US is the only long-term Key to the economy. Economics 101 did she go to school? I learned this the first year.

    61. Steve says:

      "Pelosi may or may not know that workers at the South Carolina plant in question voted resoundingly (199-68) to decertify their union two years ago."

      Lachlan Markay may or may not know that that facility was not part of Boeing at the time. The workers expelled their union in the hopes to keep good relations with prospective Boeing considering to purchase their facility at the time.

    62. Bob says:

      Someone needs to explain to her about free enterprise. She scares me.

    63. Mke S says:

      Is there any wonder why the unemployment rate is so high?

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