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  • DREAM Act: A Really Lame Duck

    It’s time for speculation in Washington. And the question on everyone’s mind is what exactly Congress will do during the Lame Duck session?

    The DREAM Act has been talked about as one possibility. In September, Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid (D–NV) attempted (and failed) to incorporate the DREAM Act into the Defense Authorization Bill. However, Reid has a big incentive to try to push forward with passage before the end of the year. He promised to bring the act up for a vote during his hotly contested Senate reelection campaign earlier this year and needs to deliver.

    The DREAM Act can best be described as giving conditional lawful permanent resident status to those illegal aliens who entered the U.S. before the age of 16, have been in the country for at least five years and agree to attend college/serve in the military. An additional provision, often overlooked, would grant illegal aliens in-state tuition rates at public universities.

    There is a big reason why the DREAM Act was a campaign promise for Reid, the same reason the White House recently hosted high-level meetings with members of the Hispanic caucus regarding the bill and has expressed so much interest in passing it: The act would be an amnesty for millions of illegal aliens inside the United States. This is something the White House and Reid have been desperately seeking through a comprehensive immigration bill, but has yet to gain traction in Congress.

    Amnesty has never been a good way to solve the illegal immigration problem—whether through the DREAM Act or a mass legalization. As we learned in the 1986 amnesty, doing so simply encourages more individuals to break the law and enter the United States illegally. Among several other concerns, the DREAM Act rewards those who violated immigration laws by granting them in-state tuition while state laws deny legal aliens on student visas tuition benefits. The act’s lax standards would make it tough to police for fraudulent applicants, while the government would be prohibited using information submitted to deport anyone who files a DREAM Act application and does not qualify.

    If Reid moves forward, the DREAM Act debate will almost certainly be filled with nice anecdotes about college education, military service, and additional tax revenues. Don’t be misled. Despite these seemingly humanitarian aims, the White House and Reid know what the DREAM Act debate it really about—finding a way to avoid the law and legalize illegal immigrants inside the United States. Packing amnesty in pretty paper doesn’t mean it isn’t still an amnesty. Congress and the White House need to focus instead on reforms to the immigration system that will enforce the law, maintain security, and promote the economy. Such a system requires robust enforcement of immigration laws inside the U.S., a secure border, reforms in the visa system, and cooperation with Mexico and other appropriate countries on law enforcement/public safety issues as well as free market initiatives.

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    50 Responses to DREAM Act: A Really Lame Duck

    1. Joel Wischkaemper says:

      'New User' left this comment at the Washington Times.

      Why are we giving so much to people, "who through no fault of their own" because of their parent's action? We don't do the same for our foster children, nor for children of divorced or single parent families. Stop it! It has no merit!

      The dream act merely requests that the applicant "certify" that they are of good moral character. No background check, etc., just have them certify. With the unprecedented amount of identity fraud that is going on, we know where this one is going.

      The dream act is said to provide a standing army for our military. Baloney!

      Check out the stats on your own. The US Army has EXCEEDED its quota for recruitment for a number of years!!!! They are turning away applicants! In these times of high unemployment, American citizens are joining our military in order to feed their families! Passing the dream act will just add another layer of people that will compete with our American citizens, as they will for jobs if there were legalized.

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      You have to wonder if the Democrats like us. But per the checks.. they cannot be made is my guess because you had to have… you had to have a fake I.D. to get an apartment and live in this country. Congress, in the lame duck session, is turning this whole thing into a nightmare. Boy howdy.. .they are really showing us.

    2. Greg Shackleford, Ke says:

      LMAO…

      so, "If Reid moves forward, the DREAM Act debate will almost certainly be filled with nice anecdotes about college education, military service, and additional tax revenues. Don’t be misled. Despite these seemingly humanitarian aims, the White House and Reid know what the DREAM Act debate it really about—finding a way to avoid the law and legalize illegal immigrants inside the United States."

      Yeah, it's not about college education, military service, and additional tax revenues….and those seemingly humanitarian aims……it's all about a way to avoid the law.

      I've heard plenty of well thought out arguments against the Dream Act, but this one takes the cake.

    3. Martin, California says:

      The dream act doesn't just grant conditional residency to any illigal immigrant that entered the states before they were 16 years old. The proposed bill states that the applicant would have had to be brought into the states by their parents illegally before they were 16 years old, have graduated from a U.S. high school, and show good moral standing. Most of the illegal immigrants who would qualify for this "amnesty" have grown up in the states and know/remember little to nothing about their "native" countries. This bill would allow these individuals to have a pathway to citizenship and a choice to serve this country which they have grown to call home. There are an estimated 1.2 million that would qualify not the "millions" that are mentioned in the article.

    4. seth says:

      Pass the Dream ACT NOW

    5. aslan says:

      There's a real good reason why we're in this bad economy. Its because of our tax dollars being wasted on politicians who argue against the good of this nation. The Dream act, which should have been made into the law when it was first introduced in 2001 is not only cost cutting, but also promises future revenue for this nation. Our national debt is higher than ever before. Americans need to wake up and legalize the current undocumented workers living within this country. This is necessary if we want to prosper and maximize our outputs. People already living here undocumented are forced to avoid paying taxes. It is costly and inefficient to deport them. There must be a way to bring them out of the shadows and place them into the system in a way where we could generate taxes from them. The dream act deals with individuals who were brought here when they were 16 and getting an education from our schools. We have already invested in them, why not as a nation use this as a means of economic stimilus? The creation of the United States depended on immigrants and it is depending on them now. It is up to us to decide if we're smart enough to use it or not

    6. supporter says:

      I cannot think of any logical, thought-out reason of why this particular group of illegal immigrants should not be legalized. The fact that some people vehemently oppose it surpasses my mind. I cannot follow their reasoning. The DREAM act would benefit American society in every way: socially, economically, and morally.

      Our country is blessed to have an entire generation of immigrants that are already assimilated to American culture and speak English fluently. By legalizing them, our country will rid itself of the burden of having to educate and assimilate future immigrants. They are an asset to our country.

      The passage of the DREAM act is a great way to decrease the US deficit and to improve our economy. Sure, it might be costly in the short-run because the government will have to provide financial aid to about 2 million people. But, we have to remember that these people will be life-long American residents. They will pay taxes for the rest of their lives. They will contribute to social security, establish new businesses, and generate employment. The amount of money that these 2 million people will contribute to this country in the long run is much more than the amount of money the government will spend on them in the short-run.

      Morally, it is the right thing to do. Justice is on their side. It would be extremely hypocritical for a country that prides itself in equality and opportunity to deny 2 million people the opportunity to go to college or serve in the military. It is contrary to the core values of America.

      I am a proud American, and I support the Dream Act!

    7. Tom, Indiana says:

      An under-appreciated flaw of the DREAM Act is that it is an open invitation to fraud. The only information required for verification of eligibility is a list of schools attended. An illegal alien who crossed the border today would only need to go to any public library and look at high school year books to find someone who started more than 5 years ago (when he would have been less than 16 years old) and who attended each year and graduated. The illegal alien simply assumes that person's identity. Because no other information is required, the government would be helpless to reject the claim. This Act could be a back-door amnesty by fraud for virtually every illegal immigrant in the country.

    8. Jen Smyers, Washingt says:

      The DREAM Act is good policy, people – get over it. These kids didn't do anything wrong – they were brought to the US before they were 16 through no fault of their own. And you seriously don't think they deserve any opportunity to rectify their status with the law? For every other civil or criminal violation, the US has a consequence, and most of the time that consequence fits the crime – or at least it should. By deporting someone to another country where they don't know anyone and oftentimes don't speak the language, simply because their parents brought them here as children, we're not exactly the bastions of justice. Why not have an immigration system that actually works? These kids are part of America's future – let's allow them the opportunity to learn and work and thrive. To Joel – your argument doesn't hold water. Sure some kids have it rough, but they don't face deportation to a foreign country just because of what their parents did. Neither should these kids. Enact the DREAM Act now!

    9. Terri S says:

      Nowhere, in either bill (H.R.1751, S.729) do they deal with in-state or out-of-state tuitions. Nowhere.

      Since this would be a conditional Residency for 6 years before they can apply for citizenship, I don't really think that these bills are a problem.

      I think that these bills should be passed, in both houses, and as soon as possible. This bill does not give any right's to anyone, except those who were brought to the US illegally when the were under 11 years old. And if the applicant starts breaking the law, they would no longer have the option to get even apply for a conditional Residency.

      I think that the Repubs are making a mountain out of a mole hill, and they are doing so simply because they are opposed to our President. This is, IMO, a pretty pisspoor reason for either opposing or proposing anything.

    10. Maya Y says:

      The DREAM Act nightmare is a 2.1 million future Democrat voter recruitment drive where crooked politicians put their own personal interests over the interests of the United States and its citizens.

    11. jose, The Valley of says:

      Education is funded by Sales Tax and Property Tax. Everyone pays them Citizens, Residents, "Dreamers", immigrants you name it. Second, the DREAM Act will not, cannot and should grant in-state tuition to a dreamer if the dreamer resides in Arizona, but wishes to study in California. Its morally wrong. The dream will oblige by the current rules and regulations indicated by the state. The DREAM Act is not about giving a certain group special privileges, but to treat "Americans" as Americans. We are American by any tangible measurement except our immigration status. Finally, we are talking about students who have excelled in academia, are extremely motivated and highly driven. We are the epitome of the American dream. We have overcome numerous obstacles in order to pursue our American dream, like all other Americans have.

      Currently, this is the most popular argument against The DREAM Act, so its rebuttal is split up into four sections.First, except for top tier universities there is no such thing as "limited seating." Community colleges and universities accept as many qualified applicants as they can in order to increase tuition revenues and, if public, state allocation of funds. Second, The DREAM Act has a military provision that would allow students to apply for permanent residency if they completed two years of military service meaning not all undocumented students will be attending college.Third, many DREAMers have already graduated from college or university. This means that there are thousands of highly qualified, college educated individuals in a wide variety of fields that cannot put their degrees to use because of their legal status.Fourth, these students have grown up in American culture, taken the same standardized tests, met the same criteria and taken the same rigorous courses as "American Citizens." If they qualify for college or university it is because they have earned it. They are just as American and patriotic as citizens with papers and have a right to a higher education.

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    13. dreamer, Los Angeles says:

      we can throw numbers around and express our opinions, but that fact is that the ones who oppose the dream act have failed in one thing: putting themselves in the shoes of Dreamers.

      this country is built on dreams, fulfilling, and proving the opportunity to fulfill dreams.

      they are not here legally, but i don't suppose that they had a choice, being that many come to the US extremely young.

      the ones that would benefit from the dream act are not robbers and thieves. they are young Americans (in everything but papers) that want a better life not only for them, but for their community.

      "America is a nation with many flaws, but hopes so vast that only the cowardly would refuse to acknowledge them." -James Michener

    14. Dream Act Yes , US says:

      To those who think illegals are bad, please think how different they are from you. They go to school with you. They are the people you say hello to you everyday. They are the people you are friends with. Also, they may be your lovers. I really doubt that you ask your lover for his/her social#. By giving them an equal chance to stand shoulder to shoulder with us we will have peace, unity, security, and more people that can contribute to our country. They will pay taxes just like us. They will share their knowledge with us. They will open more businesses. They will stop sending money over seas. Instead they will help boost certain industries and sectors of our economy that are suffering. Immigration reform or Dream Act are the solution for our failing economy.

      One small fact. Please do realize that they don't leave their homes to come to the US because they have a beautiful livelihood at their home country and looking for a challenge in life. They come here illegally because survival is a lot tougher than you can imagine in countries that do not uphold the law. Or protect one person rights.

    15. Mary, San Diego says:

      The one-time legalization program of 1986 was never followed by the promised enforcement. Remember? We were promised that the enforcement to follow would end illegal immigration. We were fooled. Never again. Yet another legalization program (don't be fooled, the Dream act could easily legalize over 2 million illegal aliens not including their sponsored relatives) without first actually implementing fully the worksite enforcement promised in 1986 is foolhardy. Without a way of keeping illegal aliens from taking US jobs, yet another larger wave of illegal aliens would move to the US. There are no deals to be had. Mandatory E-Verify to check every job in the US, currently held and all future hires, is what is needed first and foremost. At the same time, the IRS needs to detect and report the fraudulent use of Social Security Numbers by multiple individuals.

    16. David says:

      Most of the kids who would qualify under the DREAM Act are the quintessential, "work very hard to get what you want" story. These kids, and let me repeat myself, KIDS, are showing up US Citizens (regardless of race) by attaining an education that US Citizens take for granted and that sometimes choose not to pursue out of laziness or a lack of interest. The question Republicans and conservatives in this country have to ask themselves is why should the state prevent anyone who has the drive to pursue his or her endeavors from becoming whatever he or she wants to? Stop thinking about the kids' legal status for once–notice that many of these kids had no choice when they came to the US, that they have grown up as Americans, and that they know of no other country by which to call home– and start thinking about the hard work and the studious nature of these youngsters. Why should they have to pay for the mistakes of their parents?

      The illegal = criminal argument simply does not work here. The image of a hard working student of good moral standing (which means that they have no criminal record) cannot be reconciled with the image of a criminal. I cannot believe that people can actually look at kids this way. Let me repeat myself–they do not choose to come here voluntarily. They come here because their parents drag them here.

      We cannot turn our backs on people who want to become doctors, engineers, etc. Doing so would seriously undermine our values of equality. I don't know about you but one of the things that makes (or made) America great was its willingness to give people a shot to succeed and show others what they got. Denying minors, whose identity is more American than anything else, who have lived here for most of their lives, who know nothing of their native country, of their ability to succeed and contribute to our society seriously undermines American values that liberals and conservatives alike take seriously to heart. If there are people who really deserve the privilege of citizenship, it is these youngsters that have shown that they actually have what it takes to succeed.

    17. David says:

      Most of the kids who would qualify under the DREAM Act are the quintessential, "work very hard to get what you want" story. These kids, and let me repeat myself, KIDS, are showing up US Citizens (regardless of race) by attaining an education that US Citizens take for granted and that sometimes choose not to pursue for a variety of reasons. The question Republicans and conservatives in this country have to ask themselves is why should the state prevent anyone who has the drive to pursue his or her endeavors from becoming whatever he or she wants to? Stop thinking about the kids' legal status for once–notice that many of these kids had no choice when they came to the US– and start thinking about the hard work and the studious nature of these youngsters. Why should they have to pay for the mistakes of their parents?

      The illegal = criminal argument simply does not work here. I cannot reconcile the image of a hard working student of good moral standing with the image of a criminal. I cannot believe that people can actually look at kids this way. Let me repeat myself–they do not choose to come here voluntarily. They come here because their parents drag them here.

      We cannot turn our backs on people who want to become doctors, engineers, etc. Doing so would seriously undermine our values of equality. I don't know about you but one of the things that makes (or made) America great was its willingness to give people a shot to succeed and show others what they got. Denying minors, whose identity is more American than anything else, who have lived here for most of their lives, who know nothing of their home country, of their ability to succeed and contribute to our society seriously undermines American values that liberals and conservatives alike take seriously to heart.

    18. Real Liberals Should says:

      The DREAM Act does a LOT more than that. Here are 10 problems with it:

      Here are 10:

      http://www.politico.com/static/PPM170_101122_drea

      Most fundamentally, the DREAM Act creates incentives for illegal entry and presence. That stuff about don't hold the actions of the parents against the children? Guess what, those parents can get sponsored for permanent legal residency by the DREAM Act beneficiaries. So the "wrongdoers" are personally rewarded. Then you get all the chain migration–the DREAM Act is a massive expansion of immigration and only a small percentage of the public wants higher immigration. Thus, it’s deceptive of its pushers to act like it’s a very limited action when it’s actually very broad. There's nothing in the act to strengthen enforcement of immigration law or promote deterrence of illegal immigration but a lot to undermine it and elements of the strong 1996 immigration legislation are repealed. It's completely one-sided anti-enforcement/higher immigration legislation. In this sense, the DREAM Act is like the last "comprehensive immigration reform" bill. Once people understand what's actually in it whatever theoretical support it has should plummet. Notice that it’s being pushed hard by special interests with a fringe position (much higher immigration and opposition to enforcement). They are well-funded, organized, and shamelessly deceptive and demagogic–don't be fooled.

      Jena McNeill has it right:

      “People do not want to degrade our immigration laws further, and that’s what the DREAM Act would do,” said Jena Baker McNeill, a homeland security policy analyst at Heritage. “We’re just being honest what the bill is: It seems like a good bill until you look and see it’s very much an amnesty bill that will encourage people to come here illegally.”

    19. Carol,AZ says:

      Drean Act?

      Is this another CA fantasy like "CA Drreamin?

      Where is the object reality over this push to include 2 million illegal kids in just CA , to pander to a special interest for a shout-out loud and clear :

      Jump in to the welfare state of our union and we, in CA will give you , hand you, and support you in any way, because YOU ARE HERE ILLIGALLY.

      How pathetic!

      Their status , is NOT MY problem nor yours.

      Yes America, you should pound of this stupidity , of the very idea of it.

      Has anyone ,ANYONE questioned the nameless faceless, 11 million American families now jobless in America?

      Probably not

      Where are the incentives offering to our American children?

      If we are PROUD TO CALL OURSELVES AMERICANS , who is helping the thousands of faceless kids caught-up in our foster care system? They don't count?

      "Pround to be an American"you say?

      Ca is imploding in debt.

      Has anyone been listening?

      CA and it's numerous ACORN programs re-named naturally, by CA., will be passed onto US. ~ about 11 B.for this new age CA style idea.

      CA has lost their business tax base, and certainly losing their property tax base. But who's paying attention.

      Along comes this "feel good idea" to rally up a moral obligation to do what?

      Once again make us all feel quility over some Dream ACT.

      So sorry for those of you who have paid for your college age kids education.

      Screw you, thousands of college student grads that are still paying for student loans well into your late 20's.

      So sorry, for the thousands of unemployed grads that are also looking for jobs for months since May,

      Americans, you are being led down the road to fiscal perdition , yet again. The message:

      The rule of law is wothless.

      Children of illegals living here can apply to become citizens , and go capture and pay for their Dreams just like American kids.

      That's what their moral obligation demands.

      They will not step ahead in any way to be considered a special interest based on the fantasy of NV, 's Harry Reid.

      If you don't understand this :

      American parnet that have tuition bills from an out-of- state colleges and student will have a class action lawsuit for reverse discrimination en masse.

      After all it's it their right under the law to be treated equally.

      Wake-up America , this is once again an example of back room anmesty plain and simple.

      .

    20. Joan of Snark says:

      What leftist blather about how "nice" we must be to illegal immigrants. Conveniently forgetting that illegal = CRIMINAL. Deliberate, pre-meditated criminal.

      These people have NO business here, nor do their offspring, who have been used to hold the legal American hostage to their demands for the fruits of the taxpayer's labor.

    21. Evan, Anchorage says:

      Great article. It is just amazing how liberal, some liberals are. When are we going to start treating all men and women equally with no special treatments?

    22. AWM -NW Indiana says:

      As regards the military service angle, that argument is moot: Under INS sections 328/329 -and through Executive Order 13629- there are already expedited paths to citizenship available to those who serve our country.

      And I wish I had a nickle for every instance in which a cry of "It's for the Children!" was attached to legislation………I could then use those nickles to defray some of the education expense my wife and I have accumulated putting our children through school….

    23. Michael, Colorado says:

      The DREAM Act is another terrible amnesty bill. The DREAM Act will be another magnet for illegal immigration. In addition to anchor babies, illegals will be incentized to bring middle school age children so that their high school graduation provides amnesty for them and the extended family. The DREAM Act has no numerical limits, no time limits, extremely lax age limits, and little documentation requirements.

      The amnesty supporters are spreading misinformation about the supposed economic benefits of the DREAM Act. As a magnet for future illegal immigration, the DREAM Act will lead to large expenditures on education, children's health programs, and other forms of welfare for new illegals. Extended family reunification will lead to large increases in welfare for the new immigrants. Many DREAM Act recipients will demand financial aid and ethnicity preferences for higher education. The large group of amnesty supporters will be more than happy to demand higher budgets to support the new group of immigrants.

      Here are some provisions of a very limited amnesty bill that I might be able to support:

      - Honorable discharge from military service.

      - Military cannot show preference for amnesty applicants.

      - No criminal record period including traffic violations

      - No evidence of gang membership

      - No racial or ethnicity preferences for the amnesty recipients and their offspring. Amnesty recipients would be noted in their records so all goverment agencies would be unable to count them in their racial quotas.

      - No welfare programs for amnesty recipients until 5 years after honorable military discharge

      - No chain migration or extended family reunification

      - Burden of proof for amnesty involves the applicant. Strict guidelines for acceptable documents.

      - Strict numerical limits on the size of the amnesty. Each year Congress would need to reapprove the amnesty size.

      - Sunset for amnesty termination. The amnesty cannot be extended without another Congressional vote.

    24. Elizabeth, CT says:

      Amnesty? Obviously all of you are very misinformed. First and foremost the dream act will have specific guidelines that will only let people with good moral character to take advantage of it, so to those of you who think that the dream act is gonna help criminals it really is not. Every single one of you would come here legally or illegally if your family needed it. These people don't jump the border or swim across a river cause its easy and fun. This bill is a way to give intelligent people a shot to finish their higher education or enroll in the military. American children have plenty of incentives (i am one of them) and i took advantage of the fact that getting good SAT scores and doing good in my classes could find me enough money to go to college. I think its arrogant that many of you think only about dollar signs and oh we need to abide the law when countless CEO's twisted laws left and right to steal our money and destroy the economy.

    25. Fred Orrell, Utah says:

      Shame on all of you that scream for the "rights" of the illegals. There are millions of your American countrymen who are out of work. Their savings are exhausted, many have lost their homes, and for most, the economic future looks pretty grim. These are the ones who need help now, and in the future, when they reach retirement age.

      Bringing millions of more people into the country will only make the situation worse. Some of these people are violent criminals with gang associations. Others are violent revolutionaries that want the western US returned to Mexico. Many are just here for the jobs and free benefits. They have little interest in becoming real American citizens that observe our customs, speak our language, and contribute to our society.

      Some have diseases that we irradicated years ago, and now we will have to deal with them all over again. Other have expensive medical problems that we will all have to pay for. How many will instantly become "legal" burdens on society? Where will all this money come from? We already have monumental debt.

      Some will say that I'm heartless, but I care more for my next door neighbor than someone who invades my country. If you think invader is too harsh, consider the definition:

      in·vade (n-vd)

      1. To enter by force in order to conquer or pillage.

      2. To encroach or intrude on; violate

      3. To overrun as if by invading; infest

      4. To enter and permeate, especially harmfully.

      Secure the borders and force all to go through the legal process of becoming a citizen or leave. Some will not be accepted for a variety reasons. For those that make it, I welcome them as my countrymen and neighbor.

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    27. Deb says:

      This will not only legalize the status of college students and military enlistees, but also the status of students enrolled in our primary and secondary schools who may ultimately become dropouts or teen parents. How on earth will that benefit this country? Furthermore, if we legalize minors age 12-17, wouldn’t we also have to legalize their parents? Think about it folks, this is backdoor amnesty for millions.

      Why would an illegal even need to attend college if they are legalized prior to even graduating from high school? The DREAM Act advocates conveniently ignore this salient fact. They realize if the public knew the true magnitude of this amnesty, there would be overwhelming opposition. They only tout the college and military aspect to garner support. The truth being, NONE of them would have to attend college or enlist in our military.

      Even more disturbing is the fact that crimes committed PRIOR to the enactment of this bill would be exempt from the “good moral character” clause. After all, many DREAM Act beneficiaries are currently employed using a stolen or fake SSN.

      Another troubling issue is the fact that there is no set limit on the number who may apply. Moreover, all who apply are safe from deportation pending the outcome of their case. Fraud will be rampant, and gang members and other criminals will apply simply to avoid deportation. Bear in mind, all are eligible to apply, even those who know they will not qualify.

      If this bill passes, there will be no enforcement or oversight. It will essentially be a free-for-all, and the 1986 mass amnesty will pale by comparison. Don’t be fooled. If you care about the future of our country, you will fight to stop this travesty.

    28. Bob, Nevada says:

      Why don't you dreamers focus on making your native country a better place to live. If where you came from was not such a cesspool you would have no interest in being in this country.

      Are the American classrooms not overcrowded enough?

      Are not enough trauma centers closing?

      Is there not enough gang violence for you?

      Apparently you want more of above by allowing more and more and more people to show up here.

    29. MikeA, NY says:

      Good Immigrant is LEGAL Immigrant!

      (and good Illegal Immigrant is DEPORTED Illegal Immigrant).

    30. AWM -NW Indiana says:

      Elizabeth, CT- It may be spouted as only those of "good moral character" taking advantage of the Act…but language in the bill says that safe harbor will be provided for all who apply…that means that ANY illegal who makes application- without regard for criminal background- cannot be deported or removed from this country as long as they have an application pending. And I'm sure that those pushing this travesty will not be any hurry to decide the status of those voters…oh, sorry! I mean those "applicants"…. (When the left says they're doing something for "The Children", it can generally be taken as a sign that liberty-and the children- are about to take another hit!)

    31. Pat, Virginia says:

      I too am against granting amnesty. To do so will open the flood gates and cause an onslaught of new illegals looking to take advantage of the situation. Close the borders. Give those already here 3 months to get out voluntarily, or risk be captured, ID'd, and never allowed to come back, even legally. The USA has enough lawbreakers as it is.

    32. Lynn Bryant DeSpain says:

      Whose dream? Not mine! To me this is a Nightmare, and it just keeps getting worse. WE, American Citizens are actually drowning in Illegals, and our Government refuses to do one intelligent act about it.

    33. olderandwiser49, Atl says:

      The Dream Act is of virtually no benefit to the US or its citizens. It allows people who are here illegally (and are old enough to have known for some time that they were here illegally) to obtain a path to citizenship, without waiting to get into the US along with those trying to enter legally, to attend college at a fraction of the cost of aliens entering legally on student visas, and to ultimately obtain citizenship for their families, which will increase the already overtaxed welfare system. It is one more government handout to undeserving people. The citizens of this country have already been forced to pay for their primary and secondary education, at a cost approximating $8000 per illegal child per year. Legalizing them simply endorses their illegal behavior. One 20 year old woman (I believe in NY, but don't hold me to that) was very vocal about how she thought that US citizens should continue to fund her education through college! Sorry, but if these people are intelligent enough to get into college, they should be intelligent enough to understand why they have to return to their homelands, enter the country legally, and pay out-of-state tuition like everyone else. All the Democrats are trying to do is add to the welfare rolls, give even more undeserving people a feeling of entitlement, and add voters who rely on Democrats for such entitlements. My vote is no, should anyone ask.

    34. Elizabeth G, San Jos says:

      As a high school teacher, I educate many children of illegal immigrants. Many of them are determined to seek higher education and find jobs as nurses, entrepreneurs, lawyers, engineers, and more. They have grown up here, speak perfect, unaccented English, and are indistinguishable from my "legal" students in every way, except one: they have no papers.

      They will most likely stay here, whether they get federal financial aid or not. The question is, do we want them earning minimum wage and costing taxpayer money while 14 million jobs in fields like technology get outsourced to foreign nationals? Or do we want them (along with our native-born young people and legal immigrants) to attract dollars to our economy, to stimulate it by buying goods and services, to start businesses, and to get the high-paying jobs that we currently can't fill? These young people work harder in school than many native-born American citizens I've met. They will add greatness to our country if given the opportunity to get through college and become citizens.

    35. Carol,AZ says:

      RSVP/ Liz from San Jose,CA

      To answer the question you have posed in your above post….

      One only has to look CA's state of the union with over 400 gangs, and 41 % of the population illegal, living in CA,.

      Your school system has the highest drop-out rate to high school in the nation and also the highest out of wedlock rate in the nation.

      Your tax base and business base has depleted, and your in a fiscal nightmare which is being passed on to you, the tax payer.

      Your border is under siege by drug violance and your asking to include more of the same within your liberal borders.

      All your major cities are sanctuary and riddle with drug violence and Your worry about out-sorcing?

      Elizabeth, the scary part of this scenario is you call yourself and educator.

      Did you skip economic 101?

      You have taken the word dreamer to a new level.

    36. Jaydee Bullard, Phoe says:

      This is a nightmare not a dream. Unbelieveable.

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    39. Linda Stewart, St. L says:

      How many children under the age of 16 came to the U.S. illegally of their own accord? If we have thousands of children entering illegally without the leadership of their parents, i could agree with you. However if adults brought the children who, by consequence, grow up in the United States, those illegal children belong to the U. S. We are all they know.

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    44. Sherry Franklin says:

      I would like to ask, Since it is American taxpayers who will be footing the bill, Why weren't they asked for thier vote?/ I know many families who have scrimped, worked two jobs for years so thier children to go to college, And these just waltz in and get it handed to them. What would happen IF all the hard working taxpayers quit thier jobs tomorrow and went back to college on these grants, I am assuming they are for American LEGALS TOO! Who would pay these tax dollers needed to support this program? Obama?

    45. Sherry, Ky says:

      This so called Dream act, is a NIGHTMare! Many parents have scrimped , worked 2 jobs and saved for years to send thier kids to college and these illegals walk in and get it free. What IF all our Tax paying ciizens quit work and went back to college to get a BETTER job, I am assuming this bill includes. Legal American citizens right? Who would pay these much needed tax dollers? With unemployment rates so high and no jobs , HOw can anyone call this a dream act except obamba. Its a NIGHTMARE and HUGE WASTE OF TAXPAYERS Money and WHY werent the Tax payers given a voice or vote in this. Another scam

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    46. Ron Blankenship Ceda says:

      Politicans who are so smart cant understand Illegal means Not Legal when they cross the border in the middle of the night they are breaking Federal Law how can you award them for that and has anyone asked how they are able to vote!!!!!!

    47. Demian says:

      It's simple. Many people refer to dream act candidates as illegal. The term illegal is just not accurate. For an action to be illegal there must be some kind of intent. Therefore, these children would have had to have an intent or an understanding that when they came to America they were committing an illegal act. If their is no intention, no motivation, then there cannot exist an illegal act. One cannot impute illegality to a 3-year-old or a 5-year-old. Thats just silly and their cannot be any justification for making minor suffer.

      Not granting some sort of legal status to these kids is just abusive. To make a child live in fear and feel persecuted is almost nazi-like. Imagine not being able to get a job legally, not being able to get a license, being afraid when you see police, and not being able to go to college.

      It's understandable to want to protect America both from a financial and protective perspective. And America should do all it can to reach its goals. But that will be done by looking forward and producing and creating. Not by punishing and torturing innocent minors who only wish to be part of this society.

    48. James P. Schmall Mil says:

      The dream is uncnstitutional. We have laws to follow to get citizenship.

      Vote NO on Dream Act

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    50. BBaker says:

      The American education has been dummed down so much by the ’No child left behind’ policy that you have to question the ability of these students.
      It is not the responsibility of the US to provide grants to these students so that they can obtain higher education that could be depriving a legal immigrant or US citizen from the same benefit or lessening the burden of tuition. The illegal immigrant parents are responsible for the situation that they have created and should be accountable to their children. If these kids were so smart, would they not have asked the parents about their legality? Put it to the Vote of the American people.- a fair vote and not rigged.

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