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  • Live at Copenhagen: Great news - Copenhagen is a Disaster

    The Heritage Foundation’s Steven Groves and Ben Lieberman are live at the Copenhagen Climate Change Conference reporting from a conservative perspective. Follow their reports on The Foundry and at the Copenhagen Consequences Web site.

    “Collapsing in chaos” is a phrase the media is using to describe the Copenhagen climate conference, and that certainly is the feeling among many here at the Bella Center. Little has gone right, and indeed many registered participants were never even let in. The Danish minister in charge has resigned. Now, those of us who managed to make it in may get turned away for the crucial last two days Thursday and Friday.

    Substantively, it looks as though little has been accomplished towards binding emissions targets to replace the expiring provisions in the existing Kyoto Protocol. The reason is simple – reducing carbon dioxide emissions is prohibitively expensive. The citizens of none of the 192 nations represented here really want this done to them. Certainly not Americans, whose concern for global warming is plummeting while concern for the economy and jobs remains high. Not the Europeans whose words are rarely backed up by actions- many have not reduced their emissions under Kyoto yet are asking for tougher targets here. And not developing nations who insist on being exempted from any binding targets while demanding aid packages in the hundreds of billions annually, well above anything the developed world is willing to offer.

    Other than side deals on programs to reduce deforestation and a few others, it looks like nothing will be decided by Friday other than to meet again in 2010 and keep trying. But things won’t get any easier by then.

    Despite all the people turned away from this UN conference, it looks like one unwelcome intruder made it in – reality. Stringent energy rationing provisions in the name of fighting global warming are more trouble than they are worth. We will know for sure by Friday, but Copenhagen could spell the beginning of the end to the failed Kyoto approach.

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    30 Responses to Live at Copenhagen: Great news - Copenhagen is a Disaster

    1. Freedom of Speech, T says:

      I'm waiting for our illustrious Speaker to condemn the violence. It is always crystal clear who the REAL RADICALS are. It is the far left-wing zealots, both within and without this great country.

      Ironic that many of these protestors are holding banners with the hammer and sickle, down with capitalism, and other socialist/marxist items. These are the same idealistic "good folks" who while decrying capitalism want the wealthier nations to hand over wealth. Remember that Karl Marx came from a well-to-do family – also.

      Protestors, please keep that global infection in Europe and elsewhere. YOU are the anarchists when you don't get your way.

      I guess there is no regard for the safety and lives of the security forces or the private property of Copenhagen citizens.

      WHO are the REAL law-abiding citizens?

      We are waiting for a condemnation of these acts by ANY political official on the left.

      Of course, THAT will never happen. And, in the end, it is America's fault.

    2. Ozzy6900, CT says:

      All I can picture is Al Gore riding a "Global Warming Bomb" down to Earth, screaming his warnings. Kind of like Slim Pickens did in the movie Dr. Strangelove!

    3. D Cote, CT says:

      Freedom – truer words were never spoken. Don't hold your breath waiting. :-)

    4. Patience Kates says:

      Oh oh , now it's time to regroup and figure another way to get the money from the wealthiest nations…I know I know I got it (raises her hand like she has the answer) Population, let go back to population control!!!! It's already started in such smart and well developed countries like China and the USA (abortion is to population control) That's what we'll do make it an urgent problem and yes we can remind the world of world hunger again (Only that didn't work so well when they found out it was the Leaders that were starving the people, oh well maybe they have forgotten)

      Wait for it people, they are looking for a new way. And boy oh boy will it be a dozy !!!

    5. Paul Lawson NW IN says:

      It has gone from Global Warming to Climate Change and now to Global Welfare.

    6. Lou, Tucson AZ says:

      This is cause to celebrate!!!! I also think President Bush is owed a huge THANK YOU from us for NOT signing on to the silly Kyoto agreement. He knew then that it would only hurt us, and bind us to a shakedown.

      Thank you President Bush!!

    7. Derek Wall says:

      Usual don't worry, it isn't happening, lets place our heads in the sand attitude.

      Read your Elinor Ostrom and come up with some solutions perhaps!

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    9. alan neil ditchfield says:



      The Lebensraum doctrine of Green activists rests on three tenets they accept with an act of faith:

      • We are running out of space. World population is already excessive on a limited planet and cannot grow without dire effects.

      • We are running out of means. The planet’s non-renewable resources are being depleted by consumption at a rate that renders economic expansion unsustainable.

      • We shall fry. Carbon dioxide emitted by human economic activity causes global warming that shall make the planet uninhabitable.

      When such tenets are quantified, the contrast between true and false stands out sharply.

      Is overpopulation a grave problem? The sum of urban areas of the United States is equivalent to 2% of the area of the country, and to 6% in densely inhabited countries such as England and Holland. And there is plenty of green in urban areas. If comparison is limited to land covered by buildings and pavements the occupied land in the whole world amounts to 0,04% of the terrestrial area of the planet. With 99.96% unoccupied the idea of an overcrowded planet is an exaggeration. Population forecasts are uncertain but the most accepted ones foresee stability of world population to be reached in the 21st century. According to some, world population may begin to decline at the end of this century. With so much elbowroom it is untenable that world population is excessive or shall ever become so.

      Strictly speaking, no natural resource is non-renewable in a universe ruled by the Law of Conservation of Mass. In popular form it holds that “Nothing is created, nothing is lost, all is transformed.” Human usage is not subtracted from the mass of the planet, and in theory all material used may be recycled. The possibility of doing so depends on availability and low cost of energy. When fusion energy becomes operative it will be available in practically unlimited quantities. The source is deuterium, a hydrogen isotope found in water, in a proportion of 0.03%. One cubic kilometer of seawater contains more energy than can be obtained from combustion of all known petroleum reserves of the world. Since oceans hold 3 billion cubic kilometers of water, energy will last longer than the human species.

      There is no growing shortfall of resources signaled by rising prices. Since the middle of the 19th century The Economist publishes consistent indices of values of commodities and they have all declined, over the period, due to technological advances. The decline has been benign. The cost of feeding a human being was 8 times greater in 1850 than it is today. In 1950, less than half of a world population of 2 billion had an adequate diet, above 2000 calories per day. Today, 80% have the diet, and world population is three times greater.

      There is a problem with the alleged global warming. It stopped in 1998, after having risen in the 23 previous years. It unleashed a scare over its effects. Since 1998 it has been followed by 11 years of declining temperatures, in a portent of a cold 21st century. This shows that there are natural forces shaping climate, more powerful than manmade carbon dioxide and anything mankind can do for or against world climate. The natural forces include cyclical oscillation of ocean temperatures, sunspot activity and the effect of magnetic activity of the sun on cosmic rays. All such cycles are foreseeable, but there is no general theory of climate with predictive capacity. What knowledge exists comes from one hundred fields, such as meteorology, oceanography, mathematics, physics, chemistry, astronomy, geology, paleontology, biology, etc. with partial contributions to the understanding of climate.

      Devoid of support of solid theory and empirical data, the mathematical models that underpin alarmist forecasts amount to speculative thought that reflects the assumptions fed into the models. Agenda driven computer simulations offer no rational basis for public policy that inhibits economic activity “to save the planet”. And carbon dioxide is not a pollutant; it is the nutrient needed for photosynthesis that supports the food chain of all living beings of the planet. But carbon dioxide became a toxic-by-decree of the Obama administration, with an act that smells of rotten bananas of a comic opera republic.

      Stories of doom circulate daily. Anything that happens on earth has been blamed on global warming: a Himalayan earthquake, a volcanic eruption, the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, tribal wars in Africa, a dust storm in Australia, recent severe winters in North America, the hurricane season in the Gulf of Mexico, known for five centuries, the collapse of a bridge in Minnesota. Evo Morales blames Americans for the summer floods in Bolivia.

      Global warming is not a physical phenomenon; it is a political and journalistic phenomenon that finds parallel in the totalitarian doctrines that inebriated masses deceived by demagogues. As Chris Patten put it: “Green politics at its worst amounts to a sort of Zen fascism; less extreme, it denounces growth and seeks to stop the world so that we can all get off”. In the view of Professor Aaron Wildavsky global warming is the mother of all environmental scares. “Warming (and warming alone), through its primary antidote of withdrawing carbon from production and consumption, is capable of realizing the environmentalist's dream of an egalitarian society based on rejection of economic growth in favor of a smaller population's eating lower on the food chain, consuming a lot less, and sharing a much lower level of resources much more equally.” Their dream is the hippies’ lifestyle of idleness, penury, long hair, unshaven face, blue jeans, sandals and vegetarian diet, imposed on the world by decree of Big Brother, and justified by the Lebensraum fallacy.

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    11. Roger S., Ma. says:

      Bet the Danes will never again want to host this kind of "happening"!

    12. Bazoma - Copenhagen says:

      isn't it time for you to go pick up your check from the petroleum institute, and give the rest of the world a break from your failed neo-con agenda??

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    14. Brad S,, Detroit, MI says:

      Very well stated Neil.

      "Facts are like Kryptonite to the liberal"

    15. mary triola new jers says:

      We all know this is a scam just to get money. Yet the speaker pelosi is flying there on the taxpayers dime again. hillary said we would contribute millions of dollars so her pal gore will be able to line his pockets again. The so called president is flying there again to do what, give our country away. These insane people demonstrating as only the left can do. Yet we march on DC 3 times and we are called radicals. How dare they we met in Foley Square and no one covers it,all peaceful each time and we are called the names. WHERE IN GODS NAME is the fairness in this country anymore.

    16. Bob, Portland, OR says:

      Paul nails it with the real name which is Global Welfare vs climate hoax.

      We need to remember the name of every politician who supported this hoax. Write their names down.

      Then vote them out.

    17. Tim Az says:

      The reason these third world countries have soured on the new treaty. Is because they must not increase their carbon output in order to remain on the world welfare program. In the last treaty they were not expected to do anything to collect their welfare. Maybe we should apply this idea to welfare recipients in America. If you want your welfare debit card reloaded at the end of the month you need to complete a certain number of community service hours before hand. Those who don't like performing community service are free to find a job that suits them better. Warning welfare is not to be confused with disability.

      More hoax and less change anyone?

    18. Ben C, Ann Arbor says:

      alan neil ditchfield – thank you for the best analysis of the "climate religion" I have read to date. This should be read to Congress and the POTUS with required attendance.

    19. Steve Z., Montana says:

      Excellent post Mr. Ditchfield. Your argument is well-presented, factual, and concise. Veritas vincit.

    20. Gail C. - NC USA says:

      alan neil Your summation CLIMATEGATE: THE FALLACY is one of the best I have seen. Thanks for putting my thoughts into a concise form.

    21. Susan, Detroit says:

      The Kyoto Group are trying to fleece the countries that produce. The global warming fallacy is coming out. Those who cling to this lie are up set because they cannot justify their fleecing. They are rioting or having a temper tantrum because they wanted to become millions producing nothing like Al Gore. Co2 is a natural element in the atmosphere. Keep the air free of harmful chemicals but Co2 is produce by humans and absorbed by plants. Is oxygen going to be the next polluntant declared by the E P A. you know oxygen is released by plants and absorbed by humans. U.S. a capitalist country is one of cleanest places on earth. The private sector is good at cleaning up their own messes and the messes of the government and lazy progressives.

    22. Drew Page,IL says:

      To A.N. Ditchfield, Brazil — Well said sir. I share your point of view on this issue.

    23. Drew Page,IL says:

      I happened to listen to Hugo Chavez's speech to the convention delegates in Copenhagen today. He said that the true enemy guilty of destroying air quality and causing global warming was capitalism.

      He received a standing ovation and thunderous applause from the delegates. Following the speech, our own HIllary Clinton gets up and tells the delegates that the U.S. believes the wealthy nations of the world (meaning the U.s.) need to commit $1 billion annually to to help the poorer nations meet their goal of reduced carbon emissions. The Chinese delegation conceded this was a good "first step". Other delegations were insulted that the offer was only a billion dollars annually and felt the payoff should have been much higher. The brass of these people, condemning capitalism enthusiastically one minute and then sticking their greedy little hands out for more money from the capitalists.

      Why don't we just tie our own blindfolds, light our last cigarette and call out ready, aim fire?

    24. Louis L Cesar F LEVY says:

      This is it. Words, words and no actions from most. Almost all want our money and…our sovereignty if they can snatch it in any way. Just let Reality as Ben said and Realism prevail. Stop playing pyromen and firefightergods ye leftists and know that the Woman of the Bible is happy to see you clinging to this Environment stuff after the communism debacle. Be smart, come back to the Essence of Reality with cleverness if ye can.

    25. Brian,cincinnati says:

      Modern man,before Karl?,Jesus?,Agustus?,let's just say 1000 to 10,000 years,why in the world would you blame the entire planets problems on a country that has been here just over 200 years old?

      This admin. seems to be stuck in a perpetual puberty stage,stamping the're feet and slamming doors and name calling is an acceptable way to get they're way.

      I think most Americans have gotten fat and lazy,and too or many generations removed from the fact that freedom has a very HIGH PRICE! AND FALLING ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL WILL CAUSE THAT PRICE TO BE PAID AGAIN!

      If it can be retrived once gone?

      They like to quote past presidents,but never use the ones that really only apply to the U.S.

      "America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."

      "Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all."

      "Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties."

      "I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts."

      "Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another, but let him work diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built."

      " This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it."

      "We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."

      "You cannot build character and courage by taking away a man's initiative and independence."


      Free trade with all the climate regulations U.S. companys deal with has turned us into a service nation.

      Just look at all those windmills in Texas,….made in china.

    26. Jeanne Stotler, Wood says:

      Where did these people go to school?? In fifth grade we were taught you breath in O2, exhale CO2, plants and trees absorb CO2 and put out O2, and the circle repeats. Oh Yes, the difference is I went to a Catholic school, taught by Nuns and we were TAUGHT History, Geography, Math, how to really read, spell as well as how to LOVE God and what he created, we also sang Carols like "Silent Night, Adestes Fidelis, etc.", We did Nativity scenes and plays. Christ is the reason for the season, lets put America back on track.

    27. Derek Wall says:

      Don't take away our SUVs, everybody else can suffer seems to be the libetarian attitude to human problems to judge from this thread.

      'Compassion, thats for liberals. Science that's for fools'…seems to be the way for some of you

    28. Drew Page, IL says:

      Keeo drinking the Kool-aid Derek. I don't own an SUV, but I don't object to someone else owning one. I see people suffering, but not because some choose to buy SUVs. Where's all your concern for "everybody's suffering" when all those delegates who went to Copenhagen flew private jets to get there and demanded limos take them to their five-star hotels?

      You want to solve the world's problems? Be my guest. I find it difficult enough solving my own problems.

      I disagree that compassion is just for liberals. I'm a conservative and I feel sorry for you. You want to be compassionate? Go right ahead, but don't just talk the talk; walk the walk. Sell whatever you have and give all your money to someone that's homeless. Give up your job too, if you have one, to someone who needs it more than you do. Do all these things and I'll tip my hat to you and nominate you for sainthood. But don't presume for even one minute that everyone else needs to have their taxes increased because of your feelings of compassion.

      "Science" that hides information which contradicts soneone's pre-conceived notions is, I agree, for fools.

    29. Brian, cincinnati says:

      “Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another, but let him work diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built.”

      Junk Science that's for fools,at this late date….only a fool would consider a liberal to be compassionate.

      GODLESS people are no different than any other,needing to believe in something bigger than themselves,they worship the earth(dirt) and Al Gore is one of they're HIGH PRIESTS!!!!

    30. alan neil ditchfield says:

      Tb: Ben C., Ann Arbor; Steve Z. Montana; Gail C. NS; Drew Page Ill.

      Here is some additional thought:



      The Lebensraum trademark carries the curse of “Made in Germany”. Once again, Europe is the bastion of an anti-liberal and anti democratic ideology, as if the 20th century “scientific” tyrannies were not enough. Green activists are now engaged in the demolition of achievements of two centuries of an Industrial Revolution that redeemed four fifths of mankind from dire want. It is fitting to stress again that in 1850 the cost of food to sustain one human life was eight times greater than it is today.

      Hostility against the victory of science and technology over famine and disease can only be understood as misanthropy, a hatred that conceives mankind as a pest that destroys Earth and blasphemes goddess Nature. This belief, so widespread in Europe, is held by Green Parties, the last refuge of orphans and widows of failed regimes. They now seek the limitation of production and rationing of use of fuel, a control that would give Green activists power over every aspect of a citizen’s life, everywhere. Green activists unleashed the current panic over global warming as their main weapon to further their grab for power. They blame global warming on manmade carbon dioxide in economic activity, and write into law the damning of a harmless gas as a pollutant, when it is the nutrient that nourishes all that lives on earth.

      But Nature refuses to endorse their designs. World temperatures have fallen since 1998, after having risen in the previous 23 years, a measured fact that rendered global warming an awkward name. It is now called climate change, a label that fits any contingency, and has its justification as a publicity trick. When a product falls into disrepute, a switch of brand name is common commercial practice to reverse sagging sales. There was no need to change the villains. They are still the big bad oil companies and the coal miners.

      Nobody stated the case of Green activists against science and technology with greater lucidity than Theodor Kaczynski in his UNABOMBER Manifesto. His witch’s brew had been fermenting since the 19th century Ernst Haeckel and the 20th century Richard Walther Darré, German thinkers who respectively coined the words Ecology and Organic Farming. They are not the only sources of Lebensraum doctrine, but they are emblematic of a maze of twisted thought that inspired Hitler’s Mein Kampf.

      Haeckel was a biologist who studied populations and the interaction of living beings with the environment, a subject he called Ecology. He observed that populations expand until they reach the limits of Lebensraum in a struggle for existence in which the fitter species displace the weaker species. Such thought unfolded into Eugenics and the Pan-German geopolitics of the 20th century that held that the Drang nach Osten — the march toward the East, is the manifest destiny of the German people. Under inexorable scientific laws, the Nordic race was bound to conquer and annihilate the inferior races that occupied limited Lebensraum.

      This was the central idea that shaped Nazi doctrine and action. Application of the doctrine fell, among other followers of Hitler, to Darré, first as the propagandist and organizer of the Nazi Party in rural Germany and later as minister of agriculture for ten of the twelve years of the Third Reich. Darré was a mentor of Heinrich Himmler, future leader of the SS, who got to know Darré at a Back-to-the-Land Movement rally in 1928. That year, Darré published the first of three books: The Peasantry as Life Force of the Nordic Race, followed by Blood and Soil and A New Nobility from Blood and Soil. In these books, Darré held that the peasant was the backbone of the Germanic nation and needed protection to ensure the survival of his farming. This included support of small peasant holdings, land conservation and organic farming, an application of the “bio-dynamic” theories of Rudolf Steiner. Darré was fired. His insistence on Organic Farming and his rejection of modern farming methods stunted the food supply of wartime Germany. At the Nuremburg trials, Darré was sentenced for his role in planning Nordic colonization of Polish lands.

      To be fair, Germans are not the only ones to further Lebensraum doctrine in its present form. In recent times help came from the Anglo-Saxon side. In a long line of fellow travelers, two stand tall: Alexander King and Paul Erlich.

      King, a renowned scientist, was captain of the Anglo-American scientific team at the time of World War II, co-operation that also gave the world DDT, and the hope of eradicating insect-transmitted diseases, until it was cut short by environmentalists. Two decades later he was co-founder of the Club of Rome that sponsored the Limits to Growth study (1972). With 12 million copies sold, it is arguably the most influential publication to spread belief in the tenet that a limited planet cannot support unlimited economic growth. In his memoirs King let slip a senile remark: "my chief quarrel with DDT in hindsight is that it greatly added to the population problem."

      King was aided and abetted by entomologist Paul Erlich, who leapt into fame as author of the 1968 bestseller Population Bomb. The book predicted that: "in the 1970s and 1980s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death". The battle to feed was lost and nothing could be done to avoid mass famine. The radical action he advocated included blockading food supplies to countries that refused to implement state control to make population fit the Lebensraum of the world. John Holdren can arguably be added to the list as co-author, with Erlich of Ecoscience: Population, Resources, and Environment. Compulsory abortion, use of water supply to sterilize populations,

      The lesser breeds without the Law must be kept in their place by famine and disease. That is the grim bottom line of the Lebensraum creed of Green activists and their Nazi forerunners.


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