Comments on: Chilling Effect of Hate Crimes Law? http://blog.heritage.org/2009/11/09/chilling-effect-of-hate-crimes-law/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:29:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: JennyD http://blog.heritage.org/2009/11/09/chilling-effect-of-hate-crimes-law/#comment-69337 JennyD Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:32:58 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=19462#comment-69337 I agree with Bobby Jay, Its the crime that should be punished equally under the law, not the thoughts or feelings of the perpetrator. Otherwise, we have the existence of thought police. Another freedom lost!!! I agree with Bobby Jay,

Its the crime that should be punished equally under the law, not the thoughts or feelings of the perpetrator. Otherwise, we have the existence of thought police. Another freedom lost!!!

]]> By: Editor, Christian Pr http://blog.heritage.org/2009/11/09/chilling-effect-of-hate-crimes-law/#comment-68218 Editor, Christian Pr Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:51:58 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=19462#comment-68218 Pastors to engage in 'Civil Disobedience,' push limits of law WASHINGTON -- On Monday, November 16 at 1:30 PM, the Coalition for Faith and Freedom, an ad hoc group of concerned clergy, will rally in front of the Justice Department in Washington, D.C. to test the limits of the expanded federal hate crimes law. <a href="http://christianpress.com/content/us/494-pastors-to-engage-in-civil-disobedience-push-limits-of-law" rel="nofollow">http://christianpress.com/content/us/494-pastors-...</a> Pastors to engage in 'Civil Disobedience,' push limits of law

WASHINGTON — On Monday, November 16 at 1:30 PM, the Coalition for Faith and Freedom, an ad hoc group of concerned clergy, will rally in front of the Justice Department in Washington, D.C. to test the limits of the expanded federal hate crimes law.

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]]> By: Bobbie Jay http://blog.heritage.org/2009/11/09/chilling-effect-of-hate-crimes-law/#comment-67168 Bobbie Jay Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:35:12 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=19462#comment-67168 What is with this "hate crime?" It is aa if they are infiltrating the feeling regardless if the act was other than! ...self defense turned into a "hate crime." It doesn't belong here, anyway. What about this "gays and lesbians serving openly in the military?" What happened? Does the president just want them to be identified? People get teased and beat up and worse if you are or act suspect, this happens regardless of being gay or lesbian. The crime is somebody's lack of self control and are responsible for that. The law shouldn't reflect anybody's personal feelings. Frivolous and dictatorial. And why is this a priority? What is with this "hate crime?" It is aa if they are infiltrating the feeling regardless if the act was other than!

…self defense turned into a "hate crime." It doesn't belong here, anyway.

What about this "gays and lesbians serving openly in the military?" What happened? Does the president just want them to be identified?

People get teased and beat up and worse if you are or act suspect, this happens regardless of being gay or lesbian. The crime is somebody's lack of self control and are responsible for that. The law shouldn't reflect anybody's personal feelings. Frivolous and dictatorial.

And why is this a priority?

]]> By: Jan, Boston http://blog.heritage.org/2009/11/09/chilling-effect-of-hate-crimes-law/#comment-67049 Jan, Boston Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:01:04 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=19462#comment-67049 In discussions about Hate Crime laws why isn't the 14th Amendment ever mentioned. It says "no state shall ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws". That seems very clear. We MUST all be treated equally under the law. How can this unequal treatment of citizens through Hate and Crime laws withstand a Constitutional challenge? In discussions about Hate Crime laws why isn't the 14th Amendment ever mentioned. It says "no state shall … deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws". That seems very clear. We MUST all be treated equally under the law.

How can this unequal treatment of citizens through Hate and Crime laws withstand a Constitutional challenge?

]]> By: adam http://blog.heritage.org/2009/11/09/chilling-effect-of-hate-crimes-law/#comment-67013 adam Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:45:22 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=19462#comment-67013 is this even serious? states have hate hate crime laws for atleast a decade now, and not one of them has ever been misconstrued to restrict free speech. Why do people insist on digging for issues where here are none? is this even serious?

states have hate hate crime laws for atleast a decade now, and not one of them has ever been misconstrued to restrict free speech. Why do people insist on digging for issues where here are none?

]]> By: Steven Cariati Sling http://blog.heritage.org/2009/11/09/chilling-effect-of-hate-crimes-law/#comment-67003 Steven Cariati Sling Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:16:19 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=19462#comment-67003 Discrimination is hard-wired into this law. And how come it was tacked on to a Defense bill? Could not take the heat of open and Liberal-minded debate? Kind of like Healthcare being rammed down our throats? The hard-wired discrimination in this bill is simple to follow. The killing or attack against a Gay person or Latino or Black or chinese or Vietnamese or Guyanese or (how about an Italian who has been here and is a capitalist by now?) et al that make up our nation is more heinous than if done to a White guy? Why is that? What is this leading to? This administration and Dem. Congress is on a road to Change. So how are you all liking the change so far? You like our apologist President as he calls me and the other tea partyites "extremists"? And you must be enthralled with his bow to the King of Saudi Arabia: or his blaming the USA for worldwide polution so that he now proposes thru his proxy that we reimburse tin-horn dictators around the world so they are not hurt; or how did you like all our Congressman that approved of the oxmoron "The Affordable Healthcare bill for America"that is estimated to cost $2.4trillion according to Heritage studies;or how about his "sensitive" handling of the Ft. Hood massacre by an avowed hater of the USA-a Muslim terrorist acting alone apparently-guess he does not like the truth when it smacks him in the face;You know I could continue but enough for now. Hopefully if America wakes up these severe changes will be solved in November 2010. Very sad for our country. Discrimination is hard-wired into this law. And how come it was tacked on to a Defense bill? Could not take the heat of open and Liberal-minded debate? Kind of like Healthcare being rammed down our throats?

The hard-wired discrimination in this bill is simple to follow. The killing or attack against a Gay person or Latino or Black or chinese or Vietnamese or Guyanese or (how about an Italian who has been here and is a capitalist by now?) et al that make up our nation is more heinous than if done to a White guy? Why is that? What is this leading to? This administration and Dem. Congress is on a road to Change. So how are you all liking the change so far? You like our apologist President as he calls me and the other tea partyites "extremists"? And you must be enthralled with his bow to the King of Saudi Arabia: or his blaming the USA for worldwide polution so that he now proposes thru his proxy that we reimburse tin-horn dictators around the world so they are not hurt; or how did you like all our Congressman that approved of the oxmoron "The Affordable Healthcare bill for America"that is estimated to cost $2.4trillion according to Heritage studies;or how about his "sensitive" handling of the Ft. Hood massacre by an avowed hater of the USA-a Muslim terrorist acting alone apparently-guess he does not like the truth when it smacks him in the face;You know I could continue but enough for now. Hopefully if America wakes up these severe changes will be solved in November 2010. Very sad for our country.

]]> By: Virescentgirl, Virgi http://blog.heritage.org/2009/11/09/chilling-effect-of-hate-crimes-law/#comment-66951 Virescentgirl, Virgi Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:26:39 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=19462#comment-66951 And with regards to the crime against people of opposition, anyone who commits these crimes should be punished as should those that commit the violent crimes against gays and lesbians. Violence is not a reason to discriminate or continue to hate an entire group of people. And with regards to the crime against people of opposition, anyone who commits these crimes should be punished as should those that commit the violent crimes against gays and lesbians. Violence is not a reason to discriminate or continue to hate an entire group of people.

]]> By: Virescentgirl, Virgi http://blog.heritage.org/2009/11/09/chilling-effect-of-hate-crimes-law/#comment-66949 Virescentgirl, Virgi Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:24:06 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=19462#comment-66949 "Instead, the bill makes a federal matter out of certain violent crimes committed against individuals based on their real or perceived personal characteristics." I find it funny that many people get up in arms about sexual orientation when religion is also covered. But no one got up in arms about that. People choose to be a particular religion. Sometimes that Religion is considered heresy by another. And it is possible a religious group could preach against another religious group (and I know it has happened). I have yet to see any preacher prosecuted for hate crime because of his teachings that his religion is THE ONLY religion and all others are of the devil. Food for thought. "Instead, the bill makes a federal matter out of certain violent crimes committed against individuals based on their real or perceived personal characteristics."

I find it funny that many people get up in arms about sexual orientation when religion is also covered. But no one got up in arms about that. People choose to be a particular religion. Sometimes that Religion is considered heresy by another. And it is possible a religious group could preach against another religious group (and I know it has happened). I have yet to see any preacher prosecuted for hate crime because of his teachings that his religion is THE ONLY religion and all others are of the devil.

Food for thought.

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