Comments on: The House Health Care Bill: The Mandates http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/29/the-house-health-care-bill-the-mandates/ Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:53:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Restaurant Owner, CA http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/29/the-house-health-care-bill-the-mandates/#comment-78829 Restaurant Owner, CA Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:47:34 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=18664#comment-78829 As a small business owner, I can attest first hand what this legislation will do. When my business made money, I rewarded my employees. They were the best paid in the area. They had paid Holidays with their families. They received free meals on their shifts. They had medical, dental and vision insurance. They had paid vacations. Unprecendented in our industry. As regulations have grown, and their costs, as well as taxes, I have been forced to lay off employees, stop giving raises, and have little by little taken away all the benefits my employees had. In addition, I stopped investing in my business, so less products sold to me. An example of what we dealt with just in one year alone. $40,000 to upgrade a state mandated fire suppression system. $5000 because California robbed our unemployment reserve account and raised our Unemployment tax. $30,000 per year for credit card processing fees (90%) of my business is paid for with credit now. $6000 corporate tax for just being a corporation, not including Federal or State Income tax. California also forced us to pay an additional $6000 a year early because their fiscal irresponsibility cause our State to be practically bankrupt. We will receive an additional $30,000 premium for our Worker's Comp insurance this year due to fraudulent claims filed. We fought and won them, all at our expense and manhours, but they still go against our modification rating. $1500 to Music Industry for copyright fees to play a jukebox. This does not include the 8.75% sales tax that is levied on the consumers, driving up prices, or the payroll taxes that we pay in addition to the wages. Our sewer bill tripled to pay for Waste Water Storage Improvement. We have been advised that our Medical Insurance premiums would be going up 30% to pay for the National Health Care. We can't afford that anymore anyway because of the Comp rates. We have also been advised that our power cost will increase roughly 30% to pay for the green movement. While some of you may be thinking whine whine whine.... what it boils down to is it's our businesses that employ people, give sales tax to the State and City. It's our taxes that fund Government jobs. We used to be self sufficient and take great care of our own employees, and are now stripped of that ability, forcing them to use government programs they wouldn't have needed. When we are all bankrupt were is the money going to come from? It's happening now......look around you. People are loosing jobs, benefits, pay scales. And for the person who commented that the guy who paid his emergency bill got scammed, you need a reality check. Being accountable and self sufficient isn't a scam. It's called ethics and values. It's taking pride in paying your own way, for services that were rendered to you. What it's not is depending on Big Daddy to take care of you, or paying for other people who don't have those ethics or values. Our under 30 son went to emergency with the swine flu. He had no health insurance by choice. He gambled wrong and paid, in cash all $2000 it cost to go. It still happens and he wasn't scammed, just accountable for his lack of judgment. But in his words that was still cheaper than 5 years of health insurance. As a small business owner, I can attest first hand what this legislation will do. When my business made money, I rewarded my employees. They were the best paid in the area. They had paid Holidays with their families. They received free meals on their shifts. They had medical, dental and vision insurance. They had paid vacations. Unprecendented in our industry. As regulations have grown, and their costs, as well as taxes, I have been forced to lay off employees, stop giving raises, and have little by little taken away all the benefits my employees had. In addition, I stopped investing in my business, so less products sold to me. An example of what we dealt with just in one year alone. $40,000 to upgrade a state mandated fire suppression system. $5000 because California robbed our unemployment reserve account and raised our Unemployment tax. $30,000 per year for credit card processing fees (90%) of my business is paid for with credit now. $6000 corporate tax for just being a corporation, not including Federal or State Income tax. California also forced us to pay an additional $6000 a year early because their fiscal irresponsibility cause our State to be practically bankrupt. We will receive an additional $30,000 premium for our Worker's Comp insurance this year due to fraudulent claims filed. We fought and won them, all at our expense and manhours, but they still go against our modification rating. $1500 to Music Industry for copyright fees to play a jukebox. This does not include the 8.75% sales tax that is levied on the consumers, driving up prices, or the payroll taxes that we pay in addition to the wages. Our sewer bill tripled to pay for Waste Water Storage Improvement. We have been advised that our Medical Insurance premiums would be going up 30% to pay for the National Health Care. We can't afford that anymore anyway because of the Comp rates. We have also been advised that our power cost will increase roughly 30% to pay for the green movement. While some of you may be thinking whine whine whine…. what it boils down to is it's our businesses that employ people, give sales tax to the State and City. It's our taxes that fund Government jobs. We used to be self sufficient and take great care of our own employees, and are now stripped of that ability, forcing them to use government programs they wouldn't have needed. When we are all bankrupt were is the money going to come from? It's happening now……look around you. People are loosing jobs, benefits, pay scales. And for the person who commented that the guy who paid his emergency bill got scammed, you need a reality check. Being accountable and self sufficient isn't a scam. It's called ethics and values. It's taking pride in paying your own way, for services that were rendered to you. What it's not is depending on Big Daddy to take care of you, or paying for other people who don't have those ethics or values. Our under 30 son went to emergency with the swine flu. He had no health insurance by choice. He gambled wrong and paid, in cash all $2000 it cost to go. It still happens and he wasn't scammed, just accountable for his lack of judgment. But in his words that was still cheaper than 5 years of health insurance.

]]> By: Set, Pennsylvania http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/29/the-house-health-care-bill-the-mandates/#comment-69851 Set, Pennsylvania Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:38:25 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=18664#comment-69851 Hey gm from PA. You do realize that those companies who are going to get fined 8% if they don't offer health care to their employee's are going to accept the fine, and still not offer health care to their employee's. Therefore, there are now many, many, many more people without health care. In addition, those same companies, that just got fined, are going to pass those fine costs on to their payroll and you/me (the consumer's). So, please, tell me/us how this "plan" is so great. Hey gm from PA.

You do realize that those companies who are going to get fined 8% if they don't offer health care to their employee's are going to accept the fine, and still not offer health care to their employee's. Therefore, there are now many, many, many more people without health care. In addition, those same companies, that just got fined, are going to pass those fine costs on to their payroll and you/me (the consumer's). So, please, tell me/us how this "plan" is so great.

]]> By: thoughts on healthcare bill - Page 13 - In the News - MilitarySOS.com http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/29/the-house-health-care-bill-the-mandates/#comment-67316 thoughts on healthcare bill - Page 13 - In the News - MilitarySOS.com Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:30:14 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=18664#comment-67316 [...] however, here is a link I found with the proposed amount mandated for some employers/employees. The House Health Care Bill: The Mandates ? The Foundry It looks as if though depending upon what situation your in, whether you meet your employers [...] [...] however, here is a link I found with the proposed amount mandated for some employers/employees. The House Health Care Bill: The Mandates ? The Foundry It looks as if though depending upon what situation your in, whether you meet your employers [...]

]]> By: U.S. House Votes in Favor of Obamacare | Fix Health Care Policy http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/29/the-house-health-care-bill-the-mandates/#comment-66930 U.S. House Votes in Favor of Obamacare | Fix Health Care Policy Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:38:25 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=18664#comment-66930 [...] President, the House bill would impose new taxes on all Americans regardless of class or income. The employer mandate and the individual mandate would tax the middle class. While the country is trying to recover from a deep and dangerous recession, it is ironic that the [...] [...] President, the House bill would impose new taxes on all Americans regardless of class or income. The employer mandate and the individual mandate would tax the middle class. While the country is trying to recover from a deep and dangerous recession, it is ironic that the [...]

]]> By: U.S. House Votes in Favor of Obamacare : Conservative Blog: Urban Conservative 2.0 – Conservative News & Politics http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/29/the-house-health-care-bill-the-mandates/#comment-66795 U.S. House Votes in Favor of Obamacare : Conservative Blog: Urban Conservative 2.0 – Conservative News & Politics Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:48:33 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=18664#comment-66795 [...] President, the House bill would impose new taxes on all Americans regardless of class or income. The employer mandate and the individual mandate would tax the middle class. While the country is trying to recover from a deep and dangerous recession, it is ironic that the [...] [...] President, the House bill would impose new taxes on all Americans regardless of class or income. The employer mandate and the individual mandate would tax the middle class. While the country is trying to recover from a deep and dangerous recession, it is ironic that the [...]

]]> By: John - Vancouver, WA http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/29/the-house-health-care-bill-the-mandates/#comment-66703 John - Vancouver, WA Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:06:16 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=18664#comment-66703 It is still possible to get our word out even today at this late time. Call your Rep, e-mail your Rep and tell them that you do not support this bill, that you will remember this vote come re-election time. It is up to us. It is still possible to get our word out even today at this late time. Call your Rep, e-mail your Rep and tell them that you do not support this bill, that you will remember this vote come re-election time. It is up to us.

]]> By: Bobbie Jay http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/29/the-house-health-care-bill-the-mandates/#comment-66204 Bobbie Jay Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:53:10 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=18664#comment-66204 To Mark, You've been duped. You are one person. Millions have never taken or ever been held to the accountabilities of their personal/parental health care expenses. All at the cost of someone elses. It is very accurate to suggest many will get their health care expenses FREE and at the cost of others. This is Obama's plan he promised. He is obviously making sure to protect his favorites at the expense of others. I do not note ONE PERSON IN FAVOR OF OBAMA'S PLAN. Where are the people Obama promised this corruption to? To Mark,

You've been duped. You are one person. Millions have never taken or ever been held to the accountabilities of their personal/parental health care expenses. All at the cost of someone elses. It is very accurate to suggest many will get their health care expenses FREE and at the cost of others. This is Obama's plan he promised. He is obviously making sure to protect his favorites at the expense of others. I do not note ONE PERSON IN FAVOR OF OBAMA'S PLAN. Where are the people Obama promised this corruption to?

]]> By: Mark, Lansing Michig http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/29/the-house-health-care-bill-the-mandates/#comment-65446 Mark, Lansing Michig Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:24:27 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=18664#comment-65446 To gm, Pennsylvania: Did it ever occur to you that people who go to the ER actually pay for services rendered. I have and I do. It is inaccurate to claim "no cost to them". Your premise is faulty. Mark, Michigan To gm, Pennsylvania:

Did it ever occur to you that people who go to the ER actually pay for services rendered. I have and I do. It is inaccurate to claim "no cost to them". Your premise is faulty.

Mark, Michigan

]]> By: Adam, Chicago http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/29/the-house-health-care-bill-the-mandates/#comment-65474 Adam, Chicago Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:21:49 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=18664#comment-65474 No Gm. The primary purpose of the individual mandate is to have the young and healthy pay a wildly disproportionate share of the costs relative to what they use in order to subsidize the old and sick. It's not that many young CHOOSE to remain uninsured. We have people graduating with $70,000 - $150,000 in school loans. Unprecedented! They cannot afford the premiums at this early stage in their working life. When the difference between what the old/sick pay vs what the young/healthy pay is legislatively restricted, young people's premiums will skyrocket. This will cause many young to opt out, pay the fine, and everyone's premiums will rise. If the fine is too steep for me, and I'm forced to buy into an overly bloated package, I'll make it my goal to utilize as many healthcare resources as possible even if not medically necessary. I refuse to throw money away on a monthly basis and get nothing in return. This will also really hurt those that make too much money to qualify for subsidies but too little to afford the forced monthly premiums while the welfare population just sits back and leeches free healthcare in maoboma's great socialist experiment. No Gm. The primary purpose of the individual mandate is to have the young and healthy pay a wildly disproportionate share of the costs relative to what they use in order to subsidize the old and sick. It's not that many young CHOOSE to remain uninsured. We have people graduating with $70,000 – $150,000 in school loans. Unprecedented! They cannot afford the premiums at this early stage in their working life. When the difference between what the old/sick pay vs what the young/healthy pay is legislatively restricted, young people's premiums will skyrocket. This will cause many young to opt out, pay the fine, and everyone's premiums will rise. If the fine is too steep for me, and I'm forced to buy into an overly bloated package, I'll make it my goal to utilize as many healthcare resources as possible even if not medically necessary. I refuse to throw money away on a monthly basis and get nothing in return. This will also really hurt those that make too much money to qualify for subsidies but too little to afford the forced monthly premiums while the welfare population just sits back and leeches free healthcare in maoboma's great socialist experiment.

]]> By: gm, Pennsylvania http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/29/the-house-health-care-bill-the-mandates/#comment-65060 gm, Pennsylvania Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:54:00 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=18664#comment-65060 JFK-Virginia, the purpose of those mandates is to dissuade individuals who might decide not to buy insurance from doing so, and employers who might not offer health insurance to employees to do so. It is imperative that everyone have affordable health insurance coverage. Some people, particularly the young and well, CHOOSE not to pay for it and take their chances. As a result, they aren't paying into the system and if they do get very sick, they end up getting ER treatment at no cost to them but great cost to others. JFK-Virginia, the purpose of those mandates is to dissuade individuals who might decide not to buy insurance from doing so, and employers who might not offer health insurance to employees to do so.

It is imperative that everyone have affordable health insurance coverage. Some people, particularly the young and well, CHOOSE not to pay for it and take their chances. As a result, they aren't paying into the system and if they do get very sick, they end up getting ER treatment at no cost to them but great cost to others.

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