Comments on: Public Option Puts Obamacare In Critical Condition http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/27/obamacare-in-critical-condition/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:29:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Where is Harry Reid’s Obamacare Bill? | Conservative Principles Now http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/27/obamacare-in-critical-condition/#comment-65325 Where is Harry Reid’s Obamacare Bill? | Conservative Principles Now Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:07:43 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=18186#comment-65325 [...] Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) released a 1,990 page House version of Obamacare, yet Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has yet to release the Senate version of Obamacare. On Monday, Reid announced that the secret negotiations on Obamacare had come to an agreement and he was submitting that legislation to the Congressional Budget Office. This was followed by Senator Joe Lieberman’s (I-CT) announcement on Tuesday that he may join a filibuster of Obamacare putting Obamacare in critical condition. [...] [...] Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) released a 1,990 page House version of Obamacare, yet Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has yet to release the Senate version of Obamacare. On Monday, Reid announced that the secret negotiations on Obamacare had come to an agreement and he was submitting that legislation to the Congressional Budget Office. This was followed by Senator Joe Lieberman’s (I-CT) announcement on Tuesday that he may join a filibuster of Obamacare putting Obamacare in critical condition. [...]

]]> By: Karol Scottsdale, A http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/27/obamacare-in-critical-condition/#comment-65314 Karol Scottsdale, A Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:21:33 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=18186#comment-65314 Bob S. of Carefree: Don't be surprised if gas stations are next - then the grocery stores. We will be told what we can eat and how far we can drive. Hold on. Just three more years!! Bob S. of Carefree: Don't be surprised if gas stations are next – then the grocery stores. We will be told what we can eat and how far we can drive. Hold on. Just three more years!!

]]> By: Tim Az http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/27/obamacare-in-critical-condition/#comment-64954 Tim Az Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:45:16 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=18186#comment-64954 The only thing that needs to be stretched is the people that see the constitution as an impediment to their hunger for power and wealth. Throw them on the rack in 2010. The only thing that needs to be stretched is the people that see the constitution as an impediment to their hunger for power and wealth. Throw them on the rack in 2010.

]]> By: Freedom of Speech TX http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/27/obamacare-in-critical-condition/#comment-64650 Freedom of Speech TX Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:54:22 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=18186#comment-64650 Dear Bailey IL, If we "weeded out" the current fraud, waste, and abuse in Medicare and Medicaid, there would not be such a big problem. We cannot weed the people out who are abusing the system? You want to know why? Because our leftist leaders will not do it. They are the same people who got FM/FM to give loans to people who could not afford it - housing crash? If they WANTED to get rid of the fraud, waste, and abuse there would be a 100% agreement and effort from all legislators BEFORE NOW to go after the criminals. I wonder how much money can get "lost" in a multi-trillion dollar permanent government controlled health care system? If Katrina is any exmaple of waste, we are in BIG trouble as taxpayers. Dear Bailey IL,

If we "weeded out" the current fraud, waste, and abuse in Medicare and Medicaid, there would not be such a big problem.

We cannot weed the people out who are abusing the system? You want to know why? Because our leftist leaders will not do it. They are the same people who got FM/FM to give loans to people who could not afford it – housing crash?

If they WANTED to get rid of the fraud, waste, and abuse there would be a 100% agreement and effort from all legislators BEFORE NOW to go after the criminals.

I wonder how much money can get "lost" in a multi-trillion dollar permanent government controlled health care system? If Katrina is any exmaple of waste, we are in BIG trouble as taxpayers.

]]> By: Thomas, Northern NY http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/27/obamacare-in-critical-condition/#comment-64583 Thomas, Northern NY Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:21:13 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=18186#comment-64583 All health insurance needs to be banned. Let's go back on the "gold standard" and pay for what we get, and get what we pay for. Insurance accomplishes nothing, it's the care, the service, that matters. Make it illegal for employers and unions to provide health insurance. Here is what I do not understand - If you are 20 years old, and you expect to live until the age of say 75, at today's price (use $6000 per year for today's price for individual coverage)you will spend $330,000 on health insurance. This is based on today's dollars, with no inflation. So, this is a fraction of what it will be in reality. But use the number for now. What are the chances that you will require $330,000 of actual health care services in your lifetime? For 95% of the folks, there is no chance that this will happen. So, you say "but what if I need a $100,000 surgery". So what? Pay for it, and you are still $200,000 to the good. Can't afford it? Keep reading. Where we need the reform is to have a guaranteed financing system where, if we have good intentions, are responsible, and actually continue to make payments, we can finance this debt over a period of years. There could be a regulation of the health care industry simply to bar anyone from bankrupting you as you pay for these services. Over time, and it may take 15 years to pay off, this would get paid for, everyone would be happy, and you still would be hundreds of thousand dollars ahead of the game. The medical businesses are profitable enough to wait to get paid over time, as long as the debt is taken as seriously as, let's say, your mortgage. So the government prevents the bankrupting of the individual, and in return, on the doctor's behalf, the government can enforce the collection of the debt through the IRS mechanisms. You don't pay? The government takes your money and pays. Both sides are protected by the full faith and confidence of the US government. The government (taxpayers) should incur no cost, the doctors get paid, and the individual gets what he pays for. I believe that health insurance accomplishes nothing, it only spends our money as we insure the rest of the actuarial pool. This is an example of what I would consider to be health reform. I'm not the sharpest tack in the board. Tell me why I'm wrong. All health insurance needs to be banned. Let's go back on the "gold standard" and pay for what we get, and get what we pay for. Insurance accomplishes nothing, it's the care, the service, that matters. Make it illegal for employers and unions to provide health insurance.

Here is what I do not understand – If you are 20 years old, and you expect to live until the age of say 75, at today's price (use $6000 per year for today's price for individual coverage)you will spend $330,000 on health insurance. This is based on today's dollars, with no inflation. So, this is a fraction of what it will be in reality. But use the number for now. What are the chances that you will require $330,000 of actual health care services in your lifetime? For 95% of the folks, there is no chance that this will happen. So, you say "but what if I need a $100,000 surgery". So what? Pay for it, and you are still $200,000 to the good. Can't afford it? Keep reading.

Where we need the reform is to have a guaranteed financing system where, if we have good intentions, are responsible, and actually continue to make payments, we can finance this debt over a period of years. There could be a regulation of the health care industry simply to bar anyone from bankrupting you as you pay for these services. Over time, and it may take 15 years to pay off, this would get paid for, everyone would be happy, and you still would be hundreds of thousand dollars ahead of the game.

The medical businesses are profitable enough to wait to get paid over time, as long as the debt is taken as seriously as, let's say, your mortgage.

So the government prevents the bankrupting of the individual, and in return, on the doctor's behalf, the government can enforce the collection of the debt through the IRS mechanisms. You don't pay? The government takes your money and pays. Both sides are protected by the full faith and confidence of the US government. The government (taxpayers) should incur no cost, the doctors get paid, and the individual gets what he pays for.

I believe that health insurance accomplishes nothing, it only spends our money as we insure the rest of the actuarial pool.

This is an example of what I would consider to be health reform. I'm not the sharpest tack in the board. Tell me why I'm wrong.

]]> By: Jeane, CA http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/27/obamacare-in-critical-condition/#comment-64575 Jeane, CA Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:12:03 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=18186#comment-64575 Does anyone realize that this healthcare bill includes a section where FOREIGN INSURANCE COMPANIES can issue insurance policies in the U.S., how many more jobs must we lose? Why can't be just buy insurance across state lines? It also includes opening, and operating health clinics all along the U.S./Mexico border, that is in the bill. So if this plan does not include illegal aliens, why would we set up clinics all along the S.W border? Does anyone know why thier is going to be a 44 million dollar tax on medical devices? Because Senator Max Baucus,& Congressman Charlie Rangel both have bills currently in the Fianance committee? Because they want to EXPORT MEDICAL DEVICES TO CUBA! So we will pay the tax, and Cuba will get the FREE medical devices! Max Baucus wrote the S. 1796 healthcare bill, and is trying to merge it with the H.R. 3200 Healthcare bill. And, by the way their are TWO versions of H.R.3200, the Dem's healthcare bill. Check out the H.R.3200 version #1 & #2. Version #2 is 2,454 pages, and version #1 is 1,017 pages long. Their is so much potential for fraud and mismanagement in this bill it is scary! One last thing, their is also a $25 fee to have a denied medical claim resubmitted, and reviewed. Gee, how many claims will be denied, and how on earth will our Senior Citizens be able to afford this? That is just a very small fraction of some of the bad things in these bills! Does anyone realize that this healthcare bill includes a section where FOREIGN INSURANCE COMPANIES can issue insurance policies in the U.S., how many more jobs must we lose? Why can't be just buy insurance across state lines? It also includes opening, and operating health clinics all along the U.S./Mexico border, that is in the bill. So if this plan does not include illegal aliens, why would we set up clinics all along the S.W border? Does anyone know why thier is going to be a 44 million dollar tax on medical devices? Because Senator Max Baucus,& Congressman Charlie Rangel both have bills currently in the Fianance committee? Because they want to EXPORT MEDICAL DEVICES TO CUBA! So we will pay the tax, and Cuba will get the FREE medical devices! Max Baucus wrote the S. 1796 healthcare bill, and is trying to merge it with the H.R. 3200 Healthcare bill. And, by the way their are TWO versions of H.R.3200, the Dem's healthcare bill. Check out the H.R.3200 version #1 & #2. Version #2 is 2,454 pages, and version #1 is 1,017 pages long. Their is so much potential for fraud and mismanagement in this bill it is scary! One last thing, their is also a $25 fee to have a denied medical claim resubmitted, and reviewed. Gee, how many claims will be denied, and how on earth will our Senior Citizens be able to afford this? That is just a very small fraction of some of the bad things in these bills!

]]> By: ProAmerica, LA. http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/27/obamacare-in-critical-condition/#comment-64573 ProAmerica, LA. Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:12:15 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=18186#comment-64573 I want to go back to horse and buggy days for travel myself. With the new technology and solar panels, heat and air could be installed for the not so nice weather. I want to go back to horse and buggy days for travel myself. With the new technology and solar panels, heat and air could be installed for the not so nice weather.

]]> By: Public Option Puts Obamacare In Critical Condition — We The People of Longview, TX http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/27/obamacare-in-critical-condition/#comment-64518 Public Option Puts Obamacare In Critical Condition — We The People of Longview, TX Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:05:26 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=18186#comment-64518 [...] negotiation of this new bill from Harry Reid. This is the very latest on the health care bill from The Heritage Foundation. Category: WTP [...] [...] negotiation of this new bill from Harry Reid. This is the very latest on the health care bill from The Heritage Foundation. Category: WTP [...]

]]> By: Bailey, IL http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/27/obamacare-in-critical-condition/#comment-64546 Bailey, IL Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:01:38 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=18186#comment-64546 Several of you fail to realize the constitution needs to be stretched. Slavery was in the constitution, but that doesn't make it right. Buying land wasn't in the constitution, but the Louisiana purchase was still a great deal for the United States. I am NOT trying to compare the two, but it seems elementary that the constitution needs to be stretched sometimes. The real question is how much. Furthermore these comparisions of cars/gas to healthcare is nonsense. People don't NEED cars; there are other ways of transportation. I would agree it is the most useful and accepted way, but in no sense is it necessary. Life, on the other hand, is needed. Without it, why does anything matter? It may be easy for me to say as a teenager- and more importantly as someone who doesn't pay the bills- but even at a young age I have even realized the US constantly uses the term "United We Stand." Should it be changed too "United We Stand...as long as you can afford to stand"? Some people honestly need help, and the people of America need to rise to the challenge to find a way to best help them without hurting our own country. The question should not be whether we help these people, it is more along the lines of how do we weed the people who are abusing the system out. Several of you fail to realize the constitution needs to be stretched. Slavery was in the constitution, but that doesn't make it right. Buying land wasn't in the constitution, but the Louisiana purchase was still a great deal for the United States. I am NOT trying to compare the two, but it seems elementary that the constitution needs to be stretched sometimes. The real question is how much.

Furthermore these comparisions of cars/gas to healthcare is nonsense. People don't NEED cars; there are other ways of transportation. I would agree it is the most useful and accepted way, but in no sense is it necessary. Life, on the other hand, is needed. Without it, why does anything matter? It may be easy for me to say as a teenager- and more importantly as someone who doesn't pay the bills- but even at a young age I have even realized the US constantly uses the term "United We Stand." Should it be changed too "United We Stand…as long as you can afford to stand"? Some people honestly need help, and the people of America need to rise to the challenge to find a way to best help them without hurting our own country. The question should not be whether we help these people, it is more along the lines of how do we weed the people who are abusing the system out.

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