Morning Bell: Competition, Not Price-Controls, Will Save Medicare
Posted October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am in Health Care 
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“I just want to be clear, again: Seniors who are listening here, this does not affect your benefits. This is not money going to you to pay for your benefits; this is money that is subsidizing folks who don’t need it.” Or so President Barack Obama promised our nation’s seniors earlier this year. Problem is, as we have pointed out many times, this is simply not true: Obamacare will absolutely cause reduced Medicare benefits for Seniors. Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Elmendorf told Congress that and even the New York Times has grudgingly admitted as much.
Specifically, every version of Obamacare waiting to be merged into one bill on Capitol Hill cuts billions of dollars from the Medicare Advantage program. One of the dirty little secrets about Medicare is that it actually only covers slightly more than half of all health care costs for seniors and disabled citizens. Medicare recipients buy the balance of their health care coverage through private supplemental insurance or Medigap coverage. Most seniors, therefore, actually have at least two health insurance providers, the federal government through Medicare, and a private supplemental insurer. Medicare Advantage allows seniors to pay a single premium and receive a much broader range of health care services than just government-run Medicare provides, including prescription drug coverage, preventive-care services, routine physical examinations, and coordinated care for chronic conditions.
The Baucus bill, which will be voted on in the Senate Finance Committee later this week, is the least offensive Medicare reform plan currently being included in Obamacare. However, the Baucus bill fails to achieve true reform in two ways: First, it takes all ’savings’ from Medicare reform and immediately plows them into a new deficit exploding entitlement. Second, and more importantly, it preserves the old fee-for-service Medicare program which is based on central planning and price controls.
The better option would be to move Medicare towards a true “premium support” system where the government would make direct contributions to all beneficiaries who could then control how to spend their own health care dollars. This would be the same model as the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) which provides health insurance to Members of Congress. Heritage fellow Bob Moffit explains:
With modifications, Congress could adopt a premium support system broadly similar to the FEHBP and secure the same positive results in intense competition, patient choice, high quality care, and patient satisfaction. Without such modifications, there is no real reform but just more of the same.
Instead of breaking the President’s promises, and raising health care costs for America’s seniors, Congress should hit the reset button and start over with real competition and state based reform that lowers costs and improves care.
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45 Responses to “Morning Bell: Competition, Not Price-Controls, Will Save Medicare”
J.C. Hughes, Texas on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
All this goes far beyond healthcare. It’s about control. What part of the constitution’s limited government clause do the Beltway’s elected majority demagogues not understand? Does our constitutional republican form of government disturb them that much? Then again, a democrat mob vote is one way to get around the larger society’s freedoms and best interests. I hope individual states are paying very close attention to these national power grabbers. If not, state governments can expect to find themselves face down in the dust with the rest of us. State opposition to this federal takeover is our last best hope to stop this nationalized socialist madness.
harleyj on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
Yeah, like “competition” has given the US the best medical care for all of its citizens in the world? Why are we so far down on the list regarding life expectancy? Why do we have so many uninsured Americans? Why do we pay almost 2 1/2 times more than any other first and second world nation’s people do and still have such high premiums for so little in coverage (co-pays and deductibles)? When you can answer that with real stuff and not unsupported opinion, you will have my attention!
Deanne Despain…Decatur Illinois on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
I am so appreciative of Heritage giving out facts. Where would we be without facts? There is so much being thrown at us it is impossible to know how to fight the onslaught. I hope my contribution to Heritage and other conservative entities will be a help. I have called and written but the dems have shut that off long ago. It is astounding that there are such few doing the big job of stopping this malaise. Keep up the good work. I will give as much as I can. Can Heritage help us buy stickers for cars and signs for our yards? I would like to let my neighbors know how they could get the facts and help the cause.
Jack Lohman on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
That’s incorrect. Competition with private Medicare Advantage proved only that they were 17% more costly than public Medicare. So much for private being more efficient than public, eh?
Certainly I would expect heritage to favor sending cash profits to insurers, but that is not the way to fix the nation’s system. Medicare has over-use and fraud, but so does the private system, and at greater amounts. The major waste in healthcare is the 31% that we waste on the middleman private insurance bureaucracy. Allow companies and individuals to opt into Medicare (at cost), or provide a public option, and you’ll see the effects of real competition.
Jack Lohman
http://MoneyedPoliticians.net
Richard Cancemi, Arlington, TX on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
The only true way for the USA to reemerge as a free and prosperous Country is to clean out All Liberals and Progressives (Marxists) from Government. As President Reagan said: “Government IS the problem”. Never has that statement been more evident than it is today.
Government should oversee but not direct or control. The best health plan would be for the government to get out of every aspect of our lives! We’d all feel, and be, a whole lot better off!
To paraphrase MacBeth: “Out! Out! damned government”!
Jeff, Rehoboth on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
It seems to me that we cannot forget to insist to implement the hundreds of millions in savings from medicare OUTSIDE of a massive Government reform bill.
Such savings, should they really exist, and should they truly be savings and not cuts, ought to be able to be implemented on a non-partisan basis.
Having some insight into skilled nursing facilies, I know there’s waste. Here’s 2 examples: I bet you didn’t know that cutting a nursing home resident’s toenails is considered a surgical procedure and must be performed by a doctor. I also bet you don’t realize how much medicine gets flushed down the toilet because it was purchased for a certain resident in quanity, and for a myriad of possible reasons is no longer needed for that resident.
Administrators and Directors of Nursing at these facilities will also tell you that Medicare encourages facilities to be “creative”. This is because they understand that skilled nursing facilities are shutting down across the country due to lack of fiscal solvency, and that the pay for ‘treatment’ nature of medicare does not necessarily cover the cost of a bed for some unfortunate elderly person, who is perhaps mostly bed-ridden, perhaps suffering from dementia, or perhaps incontinence, but is in otherwise reasonable physical condition and cannot be cared for at home, but can expeceted to live for another several months/years.
As our population ages, one would expect that such facilities, are going to become more and more in demand and become a larger piece in the cost structure. In addition, innovative alternatives need to be postulated and implemented on a trial basis. (Look at it this way, it doesn’t take long for the several hundered dollar cost per day of a nursing home bed to translate into a very large dollar figure…is there something the family could do with 1/10 the money that would have been spent?)
Heritage has done a great job showing that the long term entitlement debt is currently weighing us down but before long will be crushing us.
They have claimed to be able to come up with several hundred million. Ok show it to us, and to the extent that it’s non partisan, let’s do it.
willtw Nashville, TN on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
It is already occurring! We received the new Medicare Advantage Plan that goes into effect Jan 2010. Comparing it to the 2009 Plan, co-pays have increased by as much as 1/3!!!!!!!!!!!!! One way ambulance transport for the 100% disabled went from 0 to $125. !!!!!!!!!!!! Medications seem to the the same but office visits and in hospital co pays have all increased WHILE any SS advancements are locked for 2-3 years! The benefits are diminished BEFORE we even have a Reform Bill!!!!!!!!! If this is not a tax on the seniors disabled (yes we are all at or below the poverty level) then I will eat my hat! This is being done by Medicare, an arm of the Obama Administration! Wake Up America! Do not get old and do not get sick! You will lose under Obamanomics!
Jack Lohman on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
harleyj, the answer to all of your “whys” is that the insurance industry has given $46 million in 2008 alone to the politicians they need in their pocket to keep the “private” system protected from any “public” competition. So thank our corrupt political system for this and our many other distorted policies.
Sen. Susan Collins recently claimed that corruption made the Afghanistan government unworkable. Can we also say that about our own congress?
Jack Lohman
http://MoneyedPoliticians.net
Lloyd Scallan – New Orleans on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
Obama and the Demorats want no part of “competition”. Again, this entire matter is not about medical care. It’s about POWER. Obama and his henchmen will not stop until they get full power over every expect of our lives. No discussions will change anything. There is only one way to stop this disaster.
Don Smith Oklahoma City on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
A public option is needed. I repeat, OPTION. That means you don’t have to take it. Insurance coverage should not stay with the employer. Many people change jobs, and may lose their coverage. The coverage should stay with the person. Insurance companies love to exclude a person with a previous treatment or condition. Their interest is so that they do not have to pay MONEY. That is not in the best interest of the country or the individual.
Don Smith Oklahoma City on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
Do not change.
Dave O, VA on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
A foundational belief among folks who support more government control over health care seems to be that the current system is a market-based system controlled by the corporations and it’s not working. But the current situation is not even close to a market-based system. It’s state and federal laws and the infinite govt policies and regulations that cause corporations to jump through ridiculous hoops and the health care providers to struggle. When the President claims the status quo isn’t an option and he implies a free-market system as the status quo, he’s blowing smoke—he knows that’s not true (if he doesn’t that’s a whole ‘nother reason to worry). The status quo is govt control and his reforms are heaping more of what causes the problems on to the problem. A move away from status quo would be power to the people to exercise freedom of choice and make the corporations bend to our needs and desires as consumers. A free market system could work with the govt as overseer to ensure fair and comprehensive coverage for all. However, as long as govt is a player in the insurance business as a provider, the system will never be a free market.
Ben C, Ann Arbor on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
Anyone can do anything with statistics to prove a point. The problem is that the results of politcal agendas typically don’t come to fruition until years later. We live in an instant gratification e-mail society. Changes don’t work that fast. Ask people who were alive at the end of the “depression” and most will tell you the government spending programs actually delayed the recovery by seven years compared to the rest of the world. We are quick to blame the previous person/adminstration/Congress but we actually need to look at the trends over the past thirty or forty years to find the answers. There is plenty of blame to pass around. For me, I know “Big Government” is bad. For them, “Big Business” is bad. Thus the conflicts.
mike hutchings texas on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
eugenics any one;
it is a meassure of the moral
and intellectual corruption of
the our poltitical and academic leaders
that a farce such as we are witness too
continues and is as dislocated from logic
as equating profits as part of overhead.
sorry thats already been done.
karl marx would like that
one groucho marx could run on for a week
how far do you take the bald face aggression
of the facists and and not call a clown a clown and send for the men in the white coats.
sorry thats been done too.
Bob Veigel, Arlington, TX on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
And who in government believes this? Not even many Republicans believe in competition. In fact government hates ‘it’ because ‘it’ exposes just how incompetent and mind dead is government.
Philadelphia Mike on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
Can someone or any Lawer answer my question? The Constitution does give the Federal Government the power to “Regulate” Interstate Commerce but does the Government have the authority to “Engage” in commerce, e.g. GM, Chrysler, AIG, Banks, Health Insurance Companies et al. I think they should be challenged in Court (Federal or Supreme). With an abundance of Lawers out there can someone answer my question??? Can the Government just IGNORE the Constitution??? How can we put MORE Restrictions on the Government??? Eagerly awaiting any answer.
Thank You!
Dennis A. Social Circle Ga. on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
When did the government get into the business of making decisions for all??? If we the people continue to let this happen then the dems, obama, pelosi and reid will be telling us we can only breath at certain times of the day. The government is taking controll of each of us, it is making our decisions and tellling us what to think and how to act. When will we tell government that we have had enough of the interference and are able to make our own decisions, especially where our health is concerned. This like all the other government programs will become a huge drain on the system, they can not run or manage anything now. I just hope that people will wake up and see that the BS that obama and the dems are spouting is just that BS. WE MUST VOTE IN 2010 AND STOP THIS SOCIALIST STYLE GOVERNMENT AS WELL AS THE ATTEMPT TO INSTALL A DICTATOR.
Lee-White Tanks AZ on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
This can not be said often enough. This “grab” by the federal government of 1/6th of the economy and the control achieved by this “program” IS NOT ABOUT REFORM.
It is about ever increasing intrusion by our government into our private lives and decision making.
Nothing can compare with the “control” that can be achieved if Washington District of Corruption is allowed to get its grubby paws on our medical industry, all of it.
This must be the focus, reform stares us in the face:
1. Change the rules on malpractice, particularly nuisance suits.
2. Allow interstate health insurance competition.
3. Allow “portability of coverage” or subsidize COBRA coverage as part of “unemployment” insurance
4. Incent the states to “experiment” with various health care coverages. This is in line with the thoughts of our founders regarding one role of the states in our Democratic Republic.
5. Lets once again take a real informed look at the idea of some form of “Catastrophic Coverage”
PC is Thought Control
LEE
Wallyblu, Zion, IL on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
The dirty little secret about Medicare is that it isn’t free.
When I retired 9 months before I was eligible for Medicare my Cobra payments to keep my employee insurance was $800.00 per month. Now that I am eligible for “FREE MEDICARE” my healthcare insurance payments are $600.00 per month.
I’m sure that the Government is paying much more than $200.00 per month per person for those covered under Medicare.
My question is why can the private insurance companies cover me for only $200.00 but the Federal Government has to spend Billions of dollars for the same results.
Michael – New York New York on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
Wake up America….The world will be dumping the Dollar, and that will cause hyper inflation and huge deicits in the good OLD USA [yes remember that before Obama]. The world sees it, in fact Australia raised its benchmark rate 25 basis points since it knows inflation is coming and coming like an out of control frieght train. With Obama unemployment near 10% and climbing. we are in deep trouble. Our bonds will devalue, our currency will devalue, and with most goods manufactured oversees, everything will be more expensive. Get ready for hard times, and we all can thank the democrats. Health care only adds to our woes, and will be the final nail in the coffin of America as we once knew our great country.
Ron, Derry NH on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
It has become more and more clear that Obama is a mouthpiece for the Socialist party of America and their allies the Democrats.
He seems to say what ever sounds good but is in every case, his actions and results are in opposition to the reality being put in place.
A more amicable, and willing deceiver couldn’t have been better chosen to shoehorn in the shackles of communism upon our once great country and liberty based system.
Like in a Circus act or great adventure story, the bigger and more outlandish the lie the more the audience wants to believe that it is all true, and the more they will sacrifice rationality to make it so.
America is caught up in the greatest show on earth with the ticket price being your economic worth and your country being stolen while you watch the show. The performers are forging their futures with each prop they put in place to mesmerize confuse, and mystify the crowds, yet the only one who stands to lose in this three ring circus is the one who is playing without a net and that my friend is you, the audience, the American people.
John Seaman Geneva, Illinois on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
The notion that individual citizens can and will be able to carefully chose among a diversity of plans offered by private insurers is absurd. This is not the open market place where the invisible hand will set prices. None of us as patients will be happy with anything but the very best and therefore the most expensive medical care. We will not sacrifice quality for price. Further, have you ever tried to deal with a medical insurance company? It is difficult at best, not anything like trying to decide which car or can of peas to buy. The most intelligent of us spend weeks on the phone trying to shift our ‘choices” from one company to another and then we are caught in the “preexisting condition” trap.
Ella QUINN N.C. on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
We the people will not give up on our country.America is ours.All you liberals might as well move on out to another country because we the conservaties are not.You need to see the good of our country and you need to change your ways for the good,not like obama ways.His way is not good.
Whicket Williams Kingsbury, Tx on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
if you go in and say, i am paying cash, lets negotiate, you will pay only a fraction of what is charged otherwise I know, I pay cash. I negotiate my cost.
Lynn B. DeSpain on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
I agree with LEE!
Tort reform in and of itself would reduce by half all of the cost of anything attributed to medicine and medical care. We all must demand this of our elected Officials, for they themselves are likely to be either Lawyers or have a degree in Law and thereby biased. Tort reform throughout all of American industry is badly needed. This , not Labor, is what causes undue and added costs to American made products. The six foot step ladder in your garage, for examle, half of its recommende manufatured price, is to cover the “Liability Insurance” for potential future ‘TORT’ suits!
What LEE didn’t mention, and needs to be answered, is why is Medical Insurance the only product in America that is not covered by the Constutions Amendment of Free and Open Commerce between the States? With over two thousand choices of Medical Coverage in the United States, Why are we, in each State so limited to so few choices?
Open up Free Commerce to over two thousand choices for Americans for Medical coverage, and limit drastically all Tort Claims, and this will be a great beginning toward placing America back into the position of number ONE in the World!
mike phoenix on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
Some people NEVER learn and keep playing the same old tune. Left to its own devices “free market” capitalism will seek to destroy everything and even itself in the pursuit of PROFITS. This post is obviously written by a VERY SLOW learner. The federal government looked the other way as the Financial Services industry brought the world to its knees. It also let Madoff take a lot of GREEDY people for a horrific ride.When will these “free market” conservatives learn? Then we all watched as the taxpayers bailed out this greedy and corrupt industry in order to prevent a total collapse and possibly another depression.
phyllis, texas on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
This issue is being talked to death!
and I am tired of it.
I talk to any one who will listen and it seems only older people have a sense of what this will bring to seniors.
And to nashville, no not all seniors are at the poverty level, however it is getting more difficult to live at the standard I thought I could have when I was forced to retire.
I think there are 4 to 5 bills being tossed around,that all have the same idea, trim medicare from fraud and “overuse” by 500 BBBILLION $$$$$$$.
Increase the people on it and medicaid and you will have a lot of doctors refusing medicare people. and I don’t blame them.
But I have a question, why is it people have enough money to go to Disney, {especially when they get their earned income tax credit up to $4,000?}they buy ready meals and eat out and maybe rarely cook, travel back and forth to Columbia, Mexico, or where ever they hail from and then when they feel sick, they say oh I don’t have coverage. This of course is not the whole story but I have seen this over and over. It seems that the “so called POOR or the ones always in debt, have the newest TV, latest PC, telephone or electronic device, etc. just look on ”you- tube” and look at the fun fun fun everybody is having,
except when they feel sick and need to see a doctor!
But another aspect of health care that NO ONE addresses is dental!!Why does it cost almost a thousand dollars for a root canal that only takes 10/15 minutes? To have a tooth removed, with anesthesia, almost the same, and heaven forbid you want a tooth implant, it’s close to $5,000. or more?
I pay it and with all the co pays, deductables etc,and other medical expenses, I never get anything back on my taxes!
jim smith on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
For the Dems in Congress, if they didn’t invent it, it doesn’t exist.
J.C. Hughes, Texas on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
From Philadelphia Mike, “…but does the Government have the authority to “Engage” in commerce …?”
An attorney friend suggested the following, http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html. John Marshall rendered his opinion on this matter in the 1800s.
My personal belief is such government overindulgence has been stretched to its breaking point.
J.C. Hughes, Texas on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
Mike, Look at the Necessary and Proper clause in Art I. To add to your question, is it proper for government to engage in private commerce?
phyllis, texas on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
All this reaction is nothing but blah blah blah!
You are going to get Obama care and call it competion or what ever nonsense, but you are going to get it so now do what I do just give up. Nobody is listening!
Not even the reviewers of Heritage!
How did all the other countries get to be communistic?
It’s happening here. This is your new Government at work.YOU are in the minority and singing to the choir!
donny letson on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
harleyj: We do have the best healthcare sysem in the world in these United States. Regarging life expectancy-we have liberty here to chose to do with our bodies what we want, even hurt our bodies. Even with the best healthcare, some people will still die. Why so many uninsured- again, liberty. There are many americans that chose not to buy insurance. They want to spend their prosperity on other things. Even poor people can spend money on beer and cigs instead of insurance. About the money spent on healthcare in these United States- we may spend more money than anyone else but that again points to libery (God Bless America!). We are offered more choices in healthcare and more innovation than anyone else, therefore we chose to spend more money on our healthcare. This only helps innovation. More money means more equipment, tests, nurses, doctors, etc. I hope this gets your attention.
Denise, RI on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
It should be noted that Medicare Advantage plans through private insurers are very popular with seniors because they provide all-inclusive coverage beyond hospital and medical, such as dental, vision, hearing and prescription drugs, whereas with the government’s Part A and B, you have to pay extra for these coverages. Plus Medicare Advantage plans have lower deductible and copays than the government’s plan. The health care reform proposals currently under review do cut back on Medicare Advantage payments and seniors may have to pay more for the comprehensive plan. But there are many Medicare Advantage plans available, as evident at PlanPrescriber.com. Put your zip code in the search box and you will see what I mean. So I think seniors will find some form of comparable Medicare plan regardless of the outcome of the health care reform bill.
Steve Evans, Buffalo on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
Obamacare at this point is just health insurance, not health care reform. True health reform would have five basic tenets: meaningful tort reform, modest payment reductions to specialists with increases to primary care docs, modest tax increases to pay for adding the millions of currently uninsured (including taxes on expensive policies currently in effect), and a different approach to care of the frail. This last is the sticky wicket that no one is really addressing honestly; we spend about 40% of total care in the last 6 months of life, with little benefit from a “system” vantage (though individuals obviously in some instances perceive value in this care). Without addressing this fact (and no one else in the world allows this sort of care to occur), we’re bound to continue our economic decline; we’re “wasting” about 40% of our health care expenditure, from a purely economic vantage, and yet continuing as a country to pay for this waste (if payment devolved to the individual, it would be another matter, of course, but we’re all forced to pay for this waste in our “all sail and no anchor system).
By the way, for people who either have insurance or who survive to Medicare eligibility, the US continues to have the finest healthcare system in the world (and it’s why the wealthy from around the world still come here for care); it’s just the problem of no or little care for either the poor or uninsured (along with some uniquely America problems like obesity and our terrible diets) that causes our stats to pale in comparison with others.
Ken Jarvis on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
Headline = When Did the American People Elect Eric Holder Commander in Chief?
Answer – NEVER. Next question.
Jjay – Louisville, KY on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
UH, GWB ( ie. Cheney ) designated the Attorney General to do the very same thing…
Using SELECTIVE ‘facts’ will always come back to haunt you. You best learn your lessons while you can.
YES, we elected Obama ( or the Electoral College did, to be more exact ) to make decisions on who in the administration should do what. He did that in this case, so live with it and stop your searching for something to just complain about.
miguel torres, san clemente, ca on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
Holder is an incompetent Marxist who has always been to the left of any matters having to do with the security of this country. I believe we should increase the pressure so that we can get rid of him. He and Obama are of the same kind, good for nothing Elitists !!!1
American Patriot, CT on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
It is becoming more evident that Obama got elected because the American people felt obligated to elect a black man. Had they done their homework it would have been evident he was not qualified for the position. His experience as a leader of any kind was nil. However his experience gained at the knee of those like Rev Wright and other anti America folks was abundant. Well, guess what, like attracts like. Mr Holder and all of the other Hussaniacs are following in the mindset of their so called leader. What did everyone expect? You got what you voted for. Now work with the same fervor to dethrone him and hope it is not too late. (Even the Prime Minister of Canada came here for healthcare, does that alert any of you Husseiniacs to the state of medical care in Socialist land)
Jonathan Seid, Williamsburg VA on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
I remain a skeptic of Republican Party politics and just as distrustful of Democratic Party politics. However, when important administration officials speak, contradicting one another, I pay attention. It is useful to know who says what is truthful. This administration is defining itself as one who has problems with what is truthful. That’s ok, though. The next election period and the next Presidential
election will take care of this problem.
Brenda Cregor, CA. on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
In regards to the Christmas-underwear-bomber:
1) Is he an American citizen?…No
2) Did he confess he was allied with enemy forces, who are now being confronted by our military in places around the world?…Yes
Throw him in a military prision, get the information via any route sanctioned by the Geneva Convention, and let’s get some viable intelligence.
And America, you need to read PEOPLE OF THE LIE in order to understand this administration.
Jjay – Louisville, KY on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
Good to see someone ( thanks Brenda ) is recognizing the value of justice set out by the Geneva Convention, which we are obligated to follow.
AND,
in order to understand what this administration is having to deal with and build on, one needs only to review the last eight years of incompetents in the very same offices.
Lynn Bryant DeSpain on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
Once again in the Obama Administration we have a case of the Blind leading the Deaf.
Mike on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
I wonder about Holder’s intentions as well as Obama’s.
Sal Borgese, Voorhees, NJ on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
Eric Holder assumed the position of Commander In Chief because President Obama refuses to accept the responsibility of his office.
Elliot Johnson, San Antonio, TX on October 6th, 2009 at 9:00am said:
I have a feeling that a number of the Presidents appointees nearest him will be forced to resign. My only fear is who will replace them?
Elliot Johnson
San Antonio, TX