Comments on: The Obama Administration’s Version of Immigration Reform http://blog.heritage.org/2009/09/07/the-obama-administrations-version-of-immigration-reform/ Fri, 25 May 2012 15:33:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: MC, Mississippi http://blog.heritage.org/2009/09/07/the-obama-administrations-version-of-immigration-reform/#comment-80275 MC, Mississippi Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:26:37 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=14160#comment-80275 Exactly the point, we do NOT want America to be turned into a third world country like Mexico. That is exactly what is happening by all the illegal immigration. This has nothing to do with racism, which of course any and all special interest groups scream when they don't get what they what (and usually want for free). A law is a law, and if broken, pay the consequences. Exactly the point, we do NOT want America to be turned into a third world country like Mexico. That is exactly what is happening by all the illegal immigration. This has nothing to do with racism, which of course any and all special interest groups scream when they don’t get what they what (and usually want for free).

A law is a law, and if broken, pay the consequences.

]]> By: Sonia, Massachusetts http://blog.heritage.org/2009/09/07/the-obama-administrations-version-of-immigration-reform/#comment-73865 Sonia, Massachusetts Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:03:36 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=14160#comment-73865 I think it is really quite ridiculous when people use the whole "immigrants are taking all of our jobs" excuse when opposing immigration reform. Honestly, do you people even know which jobs immigrants are taking? They are taking those jobs which Americans DO NOT want, regardless of how bad the recession is. Do you really think illegal immigrants can even have success at attaining actual well-paying jobs without proper legal documentation, such as a social security number, for instance? Illegal immigrants are hassled for proper documentation anytime they search for a decent job, and yet that does not occur when they are required to pay taxes like everyone else! Honestly, before people start blindly accepting theories they should really get all of the facts. An immigration reform is among the things this country needs most at the moment. It is necessary to prevent illegal immigration, but it is most important to treat everyone like human beings. The whole "detention and removal policy" is inhumane and breaks families up. In addition, the analogies like "all bark and no bite" are ignorant. Do not compare a situation such as this to the behavior of dogs. You are just making yourself seem more ignorant than necessary. I think it is really quite ridiculous when people use the whole "immigrants are taking all of our jobs" excuse when opposing immigration reform. Honestly, do you people even know which jobs immigrants are taking? They are taking those jobs which Americans DO NOT want, regardless of how bad the recession is. Do you really think illegal immigrants can even have success at attaining actual well-paying jobs without proper legal documentation, such as a social security number, for instance? Illegal immigrants are hassled for proper documentation anytime they search for a decent job, and yet that does not occur when they are required to pay taxes like everyone else!

Honestly, before people start blindly accepting theories they should really get all of the facts. An immigration reform is among the things this country needs most at the moment. It is necessary to prevent illegal immigration, but it is most important to treat everyone like human beings. The whole "detention and removal policy" is inhumane and breaks families up. In addition, the analogies like "all bark and no bite" are ignorant. Do not compare a situation such as this to the behavior of dogs. You are just making yourself seem more ignorant than necessary.

]]> By: Jonathan, California http://blog.heritage.org/2009/09/07/the-obama-administrations-version-of-immigration-reform/#comment-69471 Jonathan, California Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:58:12 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=14160#comment-69471 I myself came to this country illegally in the years of 1975 from Europe. I was not discriminated and I seem to be perfectly fine. I speak good English and I attended Harvard Business school in London and I also attended Mudd Harvey University. I was able to receive amnesty in the '85. By that time I spoke better English than the average American. I have actually explored many cultures and I have seen that this whole immigration debate focuses mainly on Hispanics and Latinos. It's discrimination. Cheap labor has become the foundation of a stable society. In the Bible there is a part that says that the rich man who sacrificed a lot to God had given no more than the poor man who sacrificed to God. It's true since immigrant laborers tend to get paid less and yet they still pay taxes. How about the rich folks, they hardly pay taxes. I myself came to this country illegally in the years of 1975 from Europe. I was not discriminated and I seem to be perfectly fine. I speak good English and I attended Harvard Business school in London and I also attended Mudd Harvey University. I was able to receive amnesty in the '85. By that time I spoke better English than the average American. I have actually explored many cultures and I have seen that this whole immigration debate focuses mainly on Hispanics and Latinos. It's discrimination. Cheap labor has become the foundation of a stable society. In the Bible there is a part that says that the rich man who sacrificed a lot to God had given no more than the poor man who sacrificed to God. It's true since immigrant laborers tend to get paid less and yet they still pay taxes. How about the rich folks, they hardly pay taxes.

]]> By: Samuel, Michigan http://blog.heritage.org/2009/09/07/the-obama-administrations-version-of-immigration-reform/#comment-66151 Samuel, Michigan Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:32:10 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=14160#comment-66151 While I agree that many people are criminals and illegal, you cannot classify them all as criminals. I was born here, and I happen to be a farmer. One thing that you cannot say is that immigrants are taking jobs. I have yet to see a "citizen" come and look for a job on the farm. I have however seen them at the homeless shelter where I volunteer, or at the soup kitchen, or out just walking around piss drunk. However I have yet to see very many immigrants at all doing this. It surprises me to see how naive some people can be, and there arguments. So immigrants didn't even have the choice. Some where brought here since infants, and have grown up here there entire lives, but cannot do anything because they do not have legal status. So what do you do with a person who has known nothing but this? Send them to a different country where they're "from?" How about some of us get sent right now back to our native countries? Also how can you not really know who is here? If you do in fact give people at least an identification card, you at least know who is in the country instead of flat out not knowing. Or say you give them licenses. You now have people paying for insurance, license fees, tickets if you will, and such. Which in turn puts more money back in our system then we previously had. They will drive so why not charge them like the rest of us. Or since they're working, let them freely pay taxes like everyone else. Of course people who read this will say, "but not everyone will pay there taxes, and not everyone will properly apply for a license, or not everyone will pay insurance, etc." But the reality is that we as citizens don't even do that, and yet with our own hypocrisy we complain about other not doing. The extent of our hypocrisy is indeed amazing. The point being that if no immigrants paid insurance, due mostly to the fact they can't drive legally, then at least some of those people already driving will pay for insurance, which is better than none. In the end it will come to pass, whether now or later but immigration is what has created this wonderful "melting pot" country that so many of us are proud to defend. I say bring in immigrants, let them work and help better this beautiful country, and let the rewards and punishments all be the same across the country, regardless of status. No more shadows. While I agree that many people are criminals and illegal, you cannot classify them all as criminals. I was born here, and I happen to be a farmer. One thing that you cannot say is that immigrants are taking jobs. I have yet to see a "citizen" come and look for a job on the farm. I have however seen them at the homeless shelter where I volunteer, or at the soup kitchen, or out just walking around piss drunk. However I have yet to see very many immigrants at all doing this. It surprises me to see how naive some people can be, and there arguments. So immigrants didn't even have the choice. Some where brought here since infants, and have grown up here there entire lives, but cannot do anything because they do not have legal status. So what do you do with a person who has known nothing but this? Send them to a different country where they're "from?" How about some of us get sent right now back to our native countries? Also how can you not really know who is here? If you do in fact give people at least an identification card, you at least know who is in the country instead of flat out not knowing. Or say you give them licenses. You now have people paying for insurance, license fees, tickets if you will, and such. Which in turn puts more money back in our system then we previously had. They will drive so why not charge them like the rest of us. Or since they're working, let them freely pay taxes like everyone else. Of course people who read this will say, "but not everyone will pay there taxes, and not everyone will properly apply for a license, or not everyone will pay insurance, etc." But the reality is that we as citizens don't even do that, and yet with our own hypocrisy we complain about other not doing. The extent of our hypocrisy is indeed amazing. The point being that if no immigrants paid insurance, due mostly to the fact they can't drive legally, then at least some of those people already driving will pay for insurance, which is better than none. In the end it will come to pass, whether now or later but immigration is what has created this wonderful "melting pot" country that so many of us are proud to defend. I say bring in immigrants, let them work and help better this beautiful country, and let the rewards and punishments all be the same across the country, regardless of status. No more shadows.

]]> By: Margarita, Michigan http://blog.heritage.org/2009/09/07/the-obama-administrations-version-of-immigration-reform/#comment-64537 Margarita, Michigan Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:45:27 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=14160#comment-64537 I have to agree with everything 'How sad' is stating. You pretty much said everything I always think. As soon as the topic of immigration comes up, everyone assumes that it is mexicans. Sure a majority is Mexicans, because they are closer, but umm hello we have Canada right above us...One of my professors in school even said that many canadians a year just walk over to this country without people judging them and talking about them. I have sat here and read most of the comments here, the negative ones and the positive ones and I really have seen a lot of ignorance going on. First of all to sit here and call these people and their children, who are for the most part u.s. citizens, criminals is just beyond ignorance. These people because they are illegal, stay to themselves and their families. They are too scared to even go to the mall sometimes because they hear border patrol is making their round-ups in the area. It just upsets me when I see u.s. citizens, which I am one, being a part of criminal acts and just being slapped on the wrist because they are americans, whereas someone who is here illegally would get thrown in jail and then thrown back to their country for a small mistake on their part. For those of you that say that these people are a burden on this country you really don't know them either. You don't realize that if they are working illegally they are still getting taxes taken out of their checks, but can't file to get any of that back the next year because they are not here legally. So in actuality the country is getting plenty of their money that they will never get back. These people can't get any type of government help because you always need a social security number to apply for any type of help. They don't have them. Some illegals have been here almost their whole life, but are still labeled as criminals and 'aliens', which from what i know they don't glow in the dark and have secret powers. Plus most of the time we know exactly where they came from. For those of you that say that so many Americans don't have jobs, yeah that's the case, but we're also a very lazy country. If it doesn't meet our standards or higher we won't do it. We have to get paid a certain amount with certain wages and benefits. We don't care to get on welfare just so that we don't have to work these menial jobs. We always say we're looking for a better job, but half the time we come up with the excuse that we deserve better and these people could care less about what they have to do, as long as they are doing what they have to do for their families. For those that say that this country wasn't based on illegal immigrants you obviously don't know too much either. Aren't we considered the melting pot? Dont we have hundreds of different types of people living here. As far as I'm concerned, if you're not Native American you really aren't part of this country. How many Europeans, Africans, Spaniards, etc. have come to take over this land? but because they came so many years ago it's okay. Now that this country has been 'built' we want to try and regulate who can come in and who is priviledged enough to be a part of us. Some foreigners came in, took the land from the Native Americans and then pretty much stole all of southern u.s. from the mexicans to just expand their country. We took advantage of these people, paid way under what their land was worth, and did it in an aggressive manner to get what we wanted. And Bill from San Antonio, you say that in this country only the strong survive, well there are millions of illegal people here surviving, despite what many haters are trying to do against them, so I guess in the end they are winning. We really need to look at the bigger picture here and realize that these are people just like us. They don't cause problems most of the time. They work hard for little. They have kids here and raise them to be better than them. And I hate to break it to those of you that want them all deported, but its never going to happen. It would cost too much money and we wouldn't be able to find half of them. Watch CNN. By 2050, the minorities will be the majority and don't be surprised if one day your son or daughter or niece or nephew end up falling in love and marrying someone that is illegal. Because than you will be thrown on the other side of the fence and will see what these people are going through. When your grandchild is separated from their mother or father because of all this going on than you'll see what truly is wrong and inhumane and you'll want to change. A lot of people are suffering, and many of them are u.s. citizens, but I guess because they're married to someone illegal they don't deserve to be taken into consideration, right? I have to agree with everything 'How sad' is stating. You pretty much said everything I always think. As soon as the topic of immigration comes up, everyone assumes that it is mexicans. Sure a majority is Mexicans, because they are closer, but umm hello we have Canada right above us…One of my professors in school even said that many canadians a year just walk over to this country without people judging them and talking about them. I have sat here and read most of the comments here, the negative ones and the positive ones and I really have seen a lot of ignorance going on. First of all to sit here and call these people and their children, who are for the most part u.s. citizens, criminals is just beyond ignorance. These people because they are illegal, stay to themselves and their families. They are too scared to even go to the mall sometimes because they hear border patrol is making their round-ups in the area. It just upsets me when I see u.s. citizens, which I am one, being a part of criminal acts and just being slapped on the wrist because they are americans, whereas someone who is here illegally would get thrown in jail and then thrown back to their country for a small mistake on their part. For those of you that say that these people are a burden on this country you really don't know them either. You don't realize that if they are working illegally they are still getting taxes taken out of their checks, but can't file to get any of that back the next year because they are not here legally. So in actuality the country is getting plenty of their money that they will never get back. These people can't get any type of government help because you always need a social security number to apply for any type of help. They don't have them. Some illegals have been here almost their whole life, but are still labeled as criminals and 'aliens', which from what i know they don't glow in the dark and have secret powers. Plus most of the time we know exactly where they came from. For those of you that say that so many Americans don't have jobs, yeah that's the case, but we're also a very lazy country. If it doesn't meet our standards or higher we won't do it. We have to get paid a certain amount with certain wages and benefits. We don't care to get on welfare just so that we don't have to work these menial jobs. We always say we're looking for a better job, but half the time we come up with the excuse that we deserve better and these people could care less about what they have to do, as long as they are doing what they have to do for their families. For those that say that this country wasn't based on illegal immigrants you obviously don't know too much either. Aren't we considered the melting pot? Dont we have hundreds of different types of people living here. As far as I'm concerned, if you're not Native American you really aren't part of this country. How many Europeans, Africans, Spaniards, etc. have come to take over this land? but because they came so many years ago it's okay. Now that this country has been 'built' we want to try and regulate who can come in and who is priviledged enough to be a part of us. Some foreigners came in, took the land from the Native Americans and then pretty much stole all of southern u.s. from the mexicans to just expand their country. We took advantage of these people, paid way under what their land was worth, and did it in an aggressive manner to get what we wanted. And Bill from San Antonio, you say that in this country only the strong survive, well there are millions of illegal people here surviving, despite what many haters are trying to do against them, so I guess in the end they are winning. We really need to look at the bigger picture here and realize that these are people just like us. They don't cause problems most of the time. They work hard for little. They have kids here and raise them to be better than them. And I hate to break it to those of you that want them all deported, but its never going to happen. It would cost too much money and we wouldn't be able to find half of them. Watch CNN. By 2050, the minorities will be the majority and don't be surprised if one day your son or daughter or niece or nephew end up falling in love and marrying someone that is illegal. Because than you will be thrown on the other side of the fence and will see what these people are going through. When your grandchild is separated from their mother or father because of all this going on than you'll see what truly is wrong and inhumane and you'll want to change. A lot of people are suffering, and many of them are u.s. citizens, but I guess because they're married to someone illegal they don't deserve to be taken into consideration, right?

]]> By: Monroe, New Jersey http://blog.heritage.org/2009/09/07/the-obama-administrations-version-of-immigration-reform/#comment-64298 Monroe, New Jersey Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:50:38 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=14160#comment-64298 I agree with you. Not everyone should be classified as a criminal. There are people here who work and pay taxes just like everyone else. Many of you don't realize you got gold in your mouth...and what do you do? You idle by the corner of a Deli or apartment building and says immigrants are taking your job when you are not even making any effort to being that ambixious person in the country that you so loved. I see we do not want to accept changes in every aspect of life. I can understand why some of us is so against immigrants, because they are selfish and all for them selves. They do not have god in their heart and all they see is hate. Wake up!!! These are the signs of the times deal with it. I agree with you. Not everyone should be classified as a criminal. There are people here who work and pay taxes just like everyone else. Many of you don't realize you got gold in your mouth…and what do you do? You idle by the corner of a Deli or apartment building and says immigrants are taking your job when you are not even making any effort to being that ambixious person in the country that you so loved.

I see we do not want to accept changes in every aspect of life. I can understand why some of us is so against immigrants, because they are selfish and all for them selves. They do not have god in their heart and all they see is hate.

Wake up!!! These are the signs of the times deal with it.

]]> By: Am I a criminal? http://blog.heritage.org/2009/09/07/the-obama-administrations-version-of-immigration-reform/#comment-61358 Am I a criminal? Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:01:43 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=14160#comment-61358 Ok folks listen how it goes- I came to the States legally- on a student exchange program. The government has all my information- name, address in my home country, names and address of my parents and even my picture and finger prints. I stayed here and applied for visa, but they denied me so I wanted to be legal but ins made me illegal. I am working, paying my bills and TAXES-just like you but I do not have the sam rights as you. I am not doing any crimes and as you can see I know english on a pretty good level. Right now I feel like my hands are with hand cuffs being illegal. So am I a criminal if I am paying my taxes and contributing to this country- yuo know I am eating here, paying rent here etc. I am not receiving any help of any kind from the government. Am I a criminal? What say you? Ok folks listen how it goes- I came to the States legally- on a student exchange program. The government has all my information- name, address in my home country, names and address of my parents and even my picture and finger prints. I stayed here and applied for visa, but they denied me so I wanted to be legal but ins made me illegal. I am working, paying my bills and TAXES-just like you but I do not have the sam rights as you. I am not doing any crimes and as you can see I know english on a pretty good level. Right now I feel like my hands are with hand cuffs being illegal. So am I a criminal if I am paying my taxes and contributing to this country- yuo know I am eating here, paying rent here etc. I am not receiving any help of any kind from the government. Am I a criminal? What say you?

]]> By: How SAD http://blog.heritage.org/2009/09/07/the-obama-administrations-version-of-immigration-reform/#comment-59505 How SAD Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:27:49 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=14160#comment-59505 I agree 100% with Saad TN and Tom. Most of you have absolutely no idea what is going on. You just hear the word "illegal" and automatically assume that these people are criminals.I too live in Arizona and have to watch the heartbreaking news everynight when Sheriff Joe and his posse go around rounding up Mexicans dropping their children off at school and riding home from work. Most of them have never committed a crime in their life and are more hard working than ANY American. I am an American born citizen but I have seen far too many people complain and take their office jobs for granted. Immigrants are NOT stealing jobs, they are getting underpaid to do jobs that NONE of you would ever be willing to do! How many of you go to the malls and clean the toilets for minimum wage? How many of you would go work out in the fields and work in the heat all day long for less than what you are currently making a week to last all month?They take the jobs that would otherwise be vacant because not even the average teenager would take this job for extra cash in the summertime. As for their families being criminals that is just an ignorant and racist remark. Most of them stay to themselves, playing baseball and watching their shows on tv, why their children would be criminals I don't know. How many American citizens are part of gangs? How many American families are on welfare draining the system just sitting at home drinking beer and wasting their lives...and they have legal permission to work.These peoople don't come here to terrorize the country, but to give their children a future. How many of YOUR ancestors came here illegally? (and not that long ago.)For the record illegal immigrants is not a term that applies to just those of Mexican or Hispanic decent...how many foreigners come on student or tourist visas and never return...guess what they are illegal as well...but because they are Indian, Eastern European or of a nationality with caucasian features they go unnoticed and only those with brown skin, dark hair and Hispanic features get looked down upon and treated badly because ofcourse they are the criminal infested, law breaking, system draining illegals. Lets please research the past and wonder where you would be if your ancestors stayed in their war ridden and poverty stricken, religious persecuting countries. I agree 100% with Saad TN and Tom. Most of you have absolutely no idea what is going on. You just hear the word "illegal" and automatically assume that these people are criminals.I too live in Arizona and have to watch the heartbreaking news everynight when Sheriff Joe and his posse go around rounding up Mexicans dropping their children off at school and riding home from work. Most of them have never committed a crime in their life and are more hard working than ANY American. I am an American born citizen but I have seen far too many people complain and take their office jobs for granted. Immigrants are NOT stealing jobs, they are getting underpaid to do jobs that NONE of you would ever be willing to do! How many of you go to the malls and clean the toilets for minimum wage? How many of you would go work out in the fields and work in the heat all day long for less than what you are currently making a week to last all month?They take the jobs that would otherwise be vacant because not even the average teenager would take this job for extra cash in the summertime. As for their families being criminals that is just an ignorant and racist remark. Most of them stay to themselves, playing baseball and watching their shows on tv, why their children would be criminals I don't know. How many American citizens are part of gangs? How many American families are on welfare draining the system just sitting at home drinking beer and wasting their lives…and they have legal permission to work.These peoople don't come here to terrorize the country, but to give their children a future. How many of YOUR ancestors came here illegally? (and not that long ago.)For the record illegal immigrants is not a term that applies to just those of Mexican or Hispanic decent…how many foreigners come on student or tourist visas and never return…guess what they are illegal as well…but because they are Indian, Eastern European or of a nationality with caucasian features they go unnoticed and only those with brown skin, dark hair and Hispanic features get looked down upon and treated badly because ofcourse they are the criminal infested, law breaking, system draining illegals. Lets please research the past and wonder where you would be if your ancestors stayed in their war ridden and poverty stricken, religious persecuting countries.

]]> By: John Auburn Washing http://blog.heritage.org/2009/09/07/the-obama-administrations-version-of-immigration-reform/#comment-56079 John Auburn Washing Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:34:18 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=14160#comment-56079 I am sick of it when some writers loosely use the race word when there is no racism involved. It is a word that is being constantly used to avoid honest unbiased debate on subjects such as illegal immigration. Writers use it to shut up opposition by implying that anybody that disagrees with them is racially motivated. If you have no concrete proof, and do not disclose your "proof", please do not accuse others of racism. I am sick of it when some writers loosely use the race word when there is no racism involved. It is a word that is being constantly used to avoid honest unbiased debate on subjects such as illegal immigration.

Writers use it to shut up opposition by implying that anybody that disagrees with them is racially motivated.

If you have no concrete proof, and do not disclose your "proof", please do not accuse others of racism.

]]> By: edwin, los Angeles http://blog.heritage.org/2009/09/07/the-obama-administrations-version-of-immigration-reform/#comment-55839 edwin, los Angeles Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:44:28 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=14160#comment-55839 I was reading this thread for almost 15 minutes,the only think I see is a No sayers or Yes sayers, racial issues, hate non sense arguments on both sides. Now the truth is there is over 12 million people in the us (illegals), note they are already here how do you deal with them ? round them up and deport them !!! BS that is not gonna happen and basically impossible. So please people be more realistic about the situation be more productive and come up with a solution or ideas to help and stop the destructive critics come on people be smarter !!!! I was reading this thread for almost 15 minutes,the only think I see is a No sayers or Yes sayers, racial issues, hate non sense arguments on both sides. Now the truth is there is over 12 million people in the us (illegals), note they are already here how do you deal with them ? round them up and deport them !!! BS that is not gonna happen and basically impossible. So please people be more realistic about the situation be more productive and come up with a solution or ideas to help and stop the destructive critics come on people be smarter !!!!

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