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  • Morning Bell: "By Any Legislative Means Necessary"

    The American people do not like President Barack Obama’s health care plan. According to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll 42% of Americans “think his plan is a bad idea” compared to only 36% who think it is a good idea. 40% of Americans believe Obama’s health care plan “will result in the quality of your health care getting worse” compared to 24% who believe their care will get better. And 47% of Americans oppose “creating a public health care plan administered by the federal government” compared to only 43% who support it. Facing this cratering of public support, the left in Congress is now considering abandoning moderates and independents to pass their narrow partisan ideal of health reform. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid spokesman Jim Manley promised yesterday that Democrats will pass Obamacare “by any legislative means necessary.”

    What exactly does Senator Reid mean by ‘any legislative means necessary’? The Wall Street Journal explains: “Most legislation in the Senate requires 60 votes to overcome a filibuster, but certain budget-related measures can pass with 51 votes through a parliamentary maneuver called reconciliation.” The Congressional Budget Act of 1974 created reconciliation, but Congress didn’t really use it until the 1980s. In 1993, President Bill Clinton tried to use the rule to press his health care plan through the Senate, but Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) resisted, introducing the Byrd Rule which allows any Senator to strike specific provisions or amendments from legislation if a 60 vote Senate majority agrees that the item is “extraneous” to the budget. At the time Byrd specifically argued that health care was out of bounds for a process that was intended to only apply to budgets.

    But Democrats in Congress are undeterred by history, precedent, and public opinion. They are now planning to split the bill into two parts: one bill with budget-related matters and another bill with policy changes such as the insurance market reforms. They even are prepared to argue that the core of the left’s health care vision: a government-run health care plan can be considered a budget related item. The WSJ reports: “Democratic leaders have concluded they can pack more of their health overhaul plans under this procedure, congressional aides said. They might even be able to include a public insurance plan to compete with private insurers, a key demand of the party’s liberal wing.”

    The American people are already sick and tired of 1,000 page bills and strong arm legislative tactics. A new Gallup poll shows that 82% of Republicans and even 40% of Democrats disapprove of the job Congress is doing. Even more troubling for the “by any means necessary” crowd is that 70% of independents share a negative view of the House and Senate. Finally, a new Pew poll shows that for the first time since President Barack Obama took office the percentage of Americans who hold a favorable view of the Democratic Party has slipped below 50%. How will independents feel about liberals in Congress if they pass a health plan that 40% of Americans believe “will result in the quality of your health care getting worse”?

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    69 Responses to Morning Bell: "By Any Legislative Means Necessary"

    1. Jeffry McGee, Nashvi says:

      It is past time the American people realize there is an alternative to the two major political parties and begin to seriously consider voting for a third party candidate.

    2. Danny/Fla says:

      The Healthcare issue didn't appear overnight.America is based on the common good. Where it is true the strides, in science have given better options, to take care of our health problems. It is quite another thing, to impose high costs, by people, and an economy that has not supported such senario's.The race to put money into areas- and control a society by insurance, or benefits from whatever source if they run out of funds ,and can no-longer support an individual, a country-is a broken system. Health should be taken care of in each person's understanding of disease, and good health must have intelligent choices/ not the expectation if i get ill- the world will come to my aid.What is affordable, for the high wealth earner, should also be for the low income family.Above that if you want special/or a more high costing specialist ,and have money to get-the-extra things you want- go for it!

    3. Jeff, Cincinnati says:

      As a heathcare professional, I know that there needs to be reform with the system, but government controlled/run healthcare is not the answer. Additionally, changes should be made incrementally to see if they are effective. Broad-brushed changes without evaluating the outcome is ridiculous. Start with changing the culture of physicians having to practice defensive medicine. That would save millions if not billions. I ask this question, is there any other profession that requires God-like infalliblity?

    4. Jeff, Florida says:

      Subject: FW: Compare: Joe & Jose

      COMPARE THE LIVES OF "JOE LEGAL" AND "JOSE ILLEGAL"

      These two families appear to be very similar. Both families have 2 parents, 2 children and live in California.

      "Joe Legal" works in construction, has a Social Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour and he has payroll taxes deducted.

      "Jose Illegal" also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 per hour cash "under the table".

      Joe Legal… $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week = $52,000 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax. Joe Legal now

      has $31,231.00.

      Jose Illegal… $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week = $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal keeps

      all the cash he earns, = $31,200.00.

      Joe Legal pays for Medical, Dental and Vision Insurance with limited coverage …$1000.00 per month = $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has

      $19,231.00.

      Jose Illegal has Obama's Socialized Heath Care which includes full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a

      cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00..

      Joe Legal makes too much money to be eligible for Food Stamps or Welfare so Joe Legal pays for food… $700.00 per month = $8,400.00 per year.

      Joe Legal now has $10,831.00.

      Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for Food Stamps and Welfare. Jose Illegal and his family eat very well and still has

      all his cash $31,200.00.

      Joe Legal pays home mortgage of $1,300.00 per month = $15,600.00 per year. Joe Legal is now in the hole -<$4,769.00.

      Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy, which entirely pays his rent of $500.00 per month = $6,000.00 per year. Jose

      Illegal still keeps all the cash he earns $31,200.00.

      Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays and gets a part time job after work to make ends meet.

      Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off. He is planning a vacation to

      Disneyland with his family.

      Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school.

      Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get free government sponsored lunches.

      Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services, but Joe Legal paid for them in his property taxes. Jose Illegal lives

      in socialized housing and pays no taxes.

      Why are 20 million illegal aliens allowed to abuse our system?

      Americans are demanding a change to this serious injustice that was created by liberal Democrats, and worsened by Obama and his socialist

      administration. Small wonder the state of California is some 42 BILLION DOLLARS in the red over the next 2 years! Now you know why Obama sent

      ACORN to register illegal aliens to vote for Democrats, and continued abuse of working Americans.

      ARE YOU MAD ENOUGH TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT YET?!?

      Silent Majority – Silent NO MORE

    5. Richard Cancemi, Arl says:

      A Greek Philosopher said: Republics DEGENERATE into Democracies and Democracies DEGENERATE into Despotisms!

      Just consider what's in Washington today; Obama and his Chicago thugs, Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd! imposing a ruthless idealogy on America while systematically plunging their knives into America's heart Like the traitorous murderers did to Caesar.

      I believe we have reached the end of the line or soon will be!

      Despotism! SHORT may it reign!

    6. Pamela Colorado says:

      I am 64 and so sadden by what is going on in Washington.

      I never dreamed I would live to see one party SO OUT OF CONTROL that it makes me sick and frustrated.

      This country is and always has been the best. That's why people come here from all over the world and the mexicans continue to get into this country to be free. What these politicians are doing is so disgusting because THEY have to have CONTROLL of all of us and STAY IN POWER.

      AMERICA—-we were sleeping when we should have been paying attention.

      Politicians are suppose to be there for US not themselves.

      We need LESS LAWYERS in this country. No more lawyers allowed to be politicians. Term limits. Limits on contributions–no more than a $1000. per person and NO COMPANY'S ANYMORE ALLOW TO GIVE. We need real people in WASHINGTON D.C. that are truly there for THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE.

      The ones that are there now, doing all of this have no reguard or feelings for the pass and the people that have made this country great and how many died to make this country what it has been and should be…….

      Too many people that are about themselves and that's it.

      IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE——GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

      The stupidity of all of this is that AMERICA WILL DIE because of these people.

      I fear for my children now who have worked very hard to get where they are and my grandchildren being brain washed into believe all the wrong things by the democratic teachers and unions that support them in their schools.

      I now understand why people home school their children and hope that they can protect them from morons like the ones that are in D.C. now…..

      GOD SAVE US ALL AND PLEASE SAVE AMERICA……

    7. joe jackson says:

      Wow, reconciliation, unreal. they think they have a right to bypass all of our representation, this will destroy the nations mental well being, if you want more rage this will surely do it, it is frightening. Also, why is obama now lobbying the church groups on the basis of morality. where is the morality when you remove a live child from its mothers womb? where was the morality when he covered the staue of Jesus and the cross at Notre Dame? Where was his morality when he wants to remove charitable donations to out faith base that serves so many poor and needy? Where has his morality been all this time? If the progressives dare to use reconciliation maybe it will be the best thing for the country because no matter what you believe in regarding any issue, surely no free american will tolerate this, and they will be finished, i am positive it will be good for the nation, there will be no more progressive after this attempt. I cannot wait.

    8. Ken Jarvis - Las Veg says:

      2 things

      We Need a National ID Card

      2. Illegals should be TREATED ONCE, and then told

      Don't come back

      We won't treat you again

      But, to keep track of that

      We need a NIDCard.

    9. Mad-andy, Missouri says:

      Yes, Jeff-in-florida, I am mad, and I have not been silent. The politicians in washington do not care what we say. The scary thing is that they have all come out of the closet in this regard. You have to wonder what is it that they know, that we don't? How is it that they will get re-elected without our support. If you think we cannot descend into despotism, you should check out this site:

      http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/Nazi_Germany

      Scary stuff.

      For us to vote for a viable 3rd party candidate, we must have a viable 3rd party candidate. Until that happens, we are stuck with the garbage.

      Please, encourage your state legislators to pass state sovereignty bills as texas and Oklahoma have done. The 10th amendment makes all they are doing illegal.

      The time is coming for us to forsake all we have in defense of our republic. If you have not become politically active by now, you need to get that way. There is nothing more important than God, your family, and the fate of the nation.

      What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Thomas Jefferson

      Be silent no more.

      Andrew Hood is on Facebook

    10. Kat, NorthEast says:

      Richard is right. This country is in very quick decline. The legal residents are now homebound and it won't be long before our children go to Asia to find work and freedom. I'm an immigrant to this country and it's tough to watch it disintegrate before my eyes.

    11. Christopher Popham S says:

      Jeff in Florida: Thanks for the Joe & Jose comparison. My head is about to explode, even though

      I've been aware of this outrage for two years.

      For more statistics see the topic of Immigration at

      my website, http://www.popham08.com
      If the state of affairs continues to worsen in America, as a third party candidate, I just might

      consider running for President again in 2011.

    12. okiejim says:

      What is Henry Waxman's motivation for demanding insurance company records pertaining to compensation and other matters that are none of his business? It is time for American corporations to stand up and say enough. Congress works for us, we do not work for them.

    13. Dennis A. Social Cir says:

      The dems have said "we won"!!! A member of the transation tem stated on national tv, obama would begin his rule on 1/20/09. None of the media thought it was worth while to report on the statement of his rule, guess it was a slip of the tongue, or miss spke. I think we can see the statement was true of obama and the dems. We the people do not count according to them, if we voice our concern then we are labeled as un-American, terroist, communist, Nazi, or members of the Klan. Now the dems are going to try and ram the healt care bill down our throats by any means. This move make me think we are already under the "dictatorship" of the chosen one and the ever liberal dems of pelosi, reid, frank and others that want a socialist government, and a people dependent on the "guvernment" for everything. I HOPE IN THE NEXT ELECTION THAT THESE SO CALLED AMERICANS ARE SENT OUT ON THE STREET, AND A NEW BUNCH IS PUT IN THAT KNOW AND REALIZE WE THE PEOPLE DO COUNT AND PAY THEIR SALARY. VOTE!!!!!

    14. Czarrina says:

      I like Jeff :{legal as can be}

      Didn't anyone think how our friends were able to send billions every month to support their families in their Father land?

      Jeff legal forgot about that money not being spent in the US helping {to support our economy} rather than supporting Mexico's infrastucture!}

      Didn't anyone remember Vincete Fox coming to the US to tell Pres, Bush, there had to be a faster way to send the money than what was in place at the time?

      Billions to Mexico plus Federal monies in Gov. support!

      If I remember my economics correctly, money that supports a local economy must circulate amongst the community fifteen times to keep a community healthy.

      Jeff, my friend our economic health has been sabotaged for years with everybody's eye's wide shut!

      We the people have been duped by OUR OWN Government and we are headed for the Bannana Republic soon to be. and wasn't it California that embraced all the very far lefties motto that anything goes? Our Goverment is as corrupt as all the rest!

    15. Czarrina says:

      Hey I went back and read some more posts and I like Joe Jackson Too!

      I had to ask my self why our POPE received POTUS when he voted three times against mandating a doctor be called when a live BABY survived a botched late term ABORTION. If that doesn't support INFANTICIDE what else can you use as absolute proof?

      How can our religious leaders not speek out now that POTUS asks for their help from the pulpit?

      Because NONE of us has any courage.It's dissapeared!!

    16. Joan Sarasota FL. says:

      Sen.Harry Reid is a crook just like his great,great uncle Remus Reid who was hanged in 1889 for horse stealing and train robberies. The Pinkerton men caught him. Took place in Montana. Someone even sent me a picture of the event.

    17. Arlene, Jamestown, O says:

      I also am a healthcare provider. And I agree with Jeff in Cincinnati. How are you going to get the administration to do anything about torte reform when most of them are lawyers? They don't discuss torte reform. I wonder why?

    18. Lloyd Scallan - New says:

      ONE MORE TIME! People, we are in a WAR against our

      own government. You want to see our enemy face to face? Just look at Barny Frank's town hall. His arrogance and condescension is a prime example of how the Congress and Obama feel about us and what we expect from our elected officals. Unfortunately Jeff's story is true. The Dems will never allow it to change as long as these illegals

      are "signed up" by ACORN and vote Democrat. They all have to be voted out, along with several Republicans.

    19. Janet Harrington, We says:

      "By Any Legislative Means Necessary" surely will result in big changes in November '10, or will it?

      If they can push a healthcare bill through Congress when a majority of people don't want it, why not an amnesty bill as well and, coupled with Acorn and the fraudulent votes generated by that group, enough votes to also repeal the two term limit on the Presidency, as well!! Scary is not the wordfor it, but what do we do? Letters are not enough. My 3 reps in PA are all Dems. I doubt they even read my mail.

    20. Bob Veigel, Arlingto says:

      No surprise with this announcement. We are dealing with liars, deceivers and destroyers. Their motto is 'power and control to government and the people be damned'.

    21. Chris, Western Wi. says:

      I don't understand how some citizens of this country elect a person to the presidency who has not a whit of economic experience, void of even a dribble of military experience, nor a drop of humility-which goes a long way in uniting us rather than dividing us (dividing is his hallmark).

      Slick words and how they're delivered (thanks to teleprompters) are never a substitute for real world experience and leadership!

      My shame of this country and its leadership has never been so great.

      You only need to look past the prompter speeches that this "pretend president" delivers to see that Obama is truely an empty suit; nary a single presidential bone in his body!

    22. Bob Reichert says:

      Henry Waxman's move to examine the "books" of those insurance companies who have not gotten on board with Obamacare is illegal and without a basis of authority. Hopefully, those insurance carriers have the legal support to challenge Waxman and the Dems in court, probably the Supreme Court before it is finished.

    23. Mike Sheahen, Hickor says:

      Such Leftist antics and machinations also include their patently and contemptuously false, hypocritical, and misleading "worn out old saw", (which they also use every time the meet or even expect any opposition), of "The Republicans are being partisan obstructionists who are stopping our getting (this or that) done", when, especially now, the Left rules through both such an overwhelming majority in Congress and such control of the White House, that neither the Republicans nor we, the people, have the numbers and representation to stop anything the Left is so determined to do!

      Plus, what makes everything such government eltists and statists do even worse for all of mankind throughout history to this day is the fact that the Left's antics, machinations, and even obvious lies are or always end up so revealingly evident and obvious, except, of course, to those who fall for and end-up so dependant upon the antics, machinations, and even lying being so patently contemptuously, hypocritically, and misleadingly perpetrated by such so-called "Progressives (Leftists)"!

    24. Paul K, NY says:

      If this legislation passes 'by any legislation necessary' ,I surely hope it serves as a wake-up call to Americans. If YOUR elected Congressman/woman is Republican and bypassed by this bill,YOU have just LOST your rights as a citizen to be represented. We can't simply sit back and wait 3 1/2 years to make a change. We just CAN NOT afford to sit quietly. It is time to stand and be heard. "by any means necessary"

    25. Steph- oregon says:

      How much more "courage" can the people legally take other than voting and using their free speech rights?? I am disgusted at what is happening right now. I wasn't asleep during the elections, I spoke up, I talked to anyone who would listen, I wrote people…I was involved, but was continually told that I couldn't possibly know the direction that Obama and his cabinet would take our country. It was like they were all in a trance. And now here we are…in a HUGE mess. I am STILL involved, but it feels like taking 2 steps forward and 2 steps back. What else are we supposed to do?

    26. Bob R Geologist, Tuc says:

      It appears to me that the Democrats have a death wish and will push their unpopular reforms until they self-destruct. If that is true I wish them well.

    27. Mark Wright, Wolfe C says:

      Hey California, y'all have got to fire Waxman to teach him who he was suposed to work for. Take his power away from him. Put him back out in the real world.

      Hey Mass, y'all have got to fire Barny Frank. He doesnt care what you think … he knows best as far as he is concerned. Send him back out in the real world to fend for himself.

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    29. Cathy Amelio, New Je says:

      Hail Obama, Hail Reid, Hail Pelosi, Hail the Czars! Hail Franks, Hail all in Senate and Congress! Us mindless citizens of this country need you to run our lives from birth to death. Tax us to poverty! Keep the illegal aliens here, oh, get more of them and give them all the assistance they need and want! Go on, we need to be told and controlled by you. Tell us what cars to drive, how we should warm and light our homes! Those right winger teabagers just haven't a clue as to what is being planned for the good of all! Hail the government! Our Elite gods! Hail CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC for telling us how great this all will be and for the common good! Oh, praise be to God! We the mindless, the hopeless can now fill our pockets with the taxpayers money, let them house us, buy our cars, our DVD, our games! Please don't stop until everyone in this country is unemployed, till all the evil corporations have closed down or leave the country! Bad, bad people who employ us, give us health insurance, profit sharing, and a confortable life! Hail the Unions, Hail SEIU! Hail ACORN! We the mindless need to be taught, directed and rewarded for our dedication to the Great one in the White House and His Czars! I can’t wait till I wear a brown suit with the armband indicating my religion and the beautiful tattoo that will be on my forehead with my party affiliation all provided to me by the government! Oh I just can’t wait! The truth is just a dumb ploy by the left wing, un-American, Terrorist, out-space Americans that have no idea, those Warriors for the Republic how dare they. They actually believe that the elected officials in Washington are elected by them to represent them! Oh, please, they are just so delusional! Anyone in the beltway knows that Senate and Congress are only suppose to do the bidding of the White House, enchance their power, collect their perks! I just can’t believe that folks showing up to the Town Hall meetings think they would have freedom of speech, and that the rep is suppose to listen to them. The citizens of this country take that darn Constitution way to seriously. Just sit there be quiet, let them tell you what is good for you, you dummy, let them tell you what you read in the bill is not what you read in the bill, you goofs are just to dumb to know. The great ones from Washington will tell you what the truth is and never mind what is written in black and white in H.R. 3200 that they don’t have time to read and understand (we just don’t pay these guys enough for that effort) in the Health Care Bill and you should just take their word for it, it will be good for you, you dim wit! Remember they control Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, WIC, Welfare, Cash for clunkers, Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac, etc and look how great these programs are! Just remember they would never lie to anyone in American, they all pay their taxes, they don’t take advantage of their positions as elected officials! They need their limos and drivers, they need their private health care and retirement plan, they need their jets to take them to far away exotic places to protect us! Look at all the good Pelosi has done when she went to Italy with her friend to see the Pope and visit Italy! Just look at how that how helped America! Reid, building the visitor center for millions of dollars and thank God he did, it has been a hot summer and those taxpayers who visit the Senate are really stinky and why should the members of the Senate by subjected to that! T.A.R.P has been just the best thing that has happened look at all the companies that the government owns! Car Companies, Banks, my, it’s like playing Monopoly! How much fun was that! Please print more money! Print away, super-inflation will straighten out these radical conservative! You show them how fast this country can be just like a good old third world country, you show ‘em! Take down the borders our great government is doing so well here why not take over the world! That would show those dummies! Barney Franks is right those trusty, educated, intellectuals who are trying to bring pesky common sense into light, just must be from outer space! And those wealthy folk! They have got to go! Take their money that will show them and look how fast the White House plan will fall into place when that happens. Just look at all the newly unemployed meat you will have! Oh, glory be! And there will be enough room in the country as you in your almighty wisdom will kill off the old, the sick and the infirmed.

      The polar cap is is melting, and you know we all want to make Al Gore a rich man with carbon credits. How dare the American people object to that! Tax the companies out of the country that will show them! Let them go a produce somewhere else, who needs them! We have the government who will take care of us! It will be so nice to sit at home, do nothing and get paid! of course in the dark, but why should we care! Thank you Mr. President, thank you Czars, thank you Senate, thank you Congress, thank you SEIU, thank you ACORN!

      The government and you, just perfect together! You liberals have our future down pat! You must be proud! We will all sink together into the obyss of third worldom! Well not all American, the elite government will live high on the hog and we will forever in their debt! Oh this will be such fun! And we worry about a depression.

    30. Eleanor Napa Calif. says:

      Call them (the democrats) on the bluff. Let them go on their own. They're in the process of committing political suicide thanks to Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Waxman and a few other parasites in D.C. We should get out of the dems way and let this happen. Conservatives do not participate in this blatant governmental grab for power and your freedom.

      There is ONLY SO MUCH the people will tolerate if they see nothing but arrogance contempt and their voice being completely disregarded.

      Mandatory reading for D.C. is the FRENCH REVOLUTION. Is nobody learning anything from history???

    31. Eleanor Napa Calif. says:

      I would like to know why everything I write is undergoing "moderation" when I see others expressing themselves as openly and honestly as I do?!!!

      Please comment!

    32. Randa Perry, Friends says:

      Double the letters and faxes immediately. Tell your "representatives" that you are mad as hell and you are not going to take this anymore. Then … dont take it anymore. Fight them now… and throw them out in 2010… and impeach Obama for sedition.

    33. Randa Perry, Friends says:

      yes.. I know.. I said "hell"…so moderate if you must.. but it does lose something in translation if you do.

    34. Carol in az says:

      Thanks a bunch Hertiage Foundation for deleting my well written comments.

      So much for censorship by you, the mainstream media, and other mass commication net-working here in the good old USA.

      Perhaps you would like to ans. my question and the lady above from Napa, CA who is asking the same question.

      No one here is using foul lang., outrages crazy comments nor violence. So why did you cut my comments.Are you perhaps from CA?

    35. Jiggs Kincaid, Jacks says:

      I come here infrequently, and only when I want to take a look at America's vindictive side and its grave collection of self-serving unpleasant people.

    36. Melissa - Cumming, G says:

      Additional points for all to consider:

      - Do the Democrats honestly think that our health care professionals will continue to function in the same manner after these laws are passed? How many will retire and move to other countries?

      - How many new AMERICANS will apply to go to our Medical Schools afterwards?

      - Will the pharmaceutical companies have the funds or the ability to continue to research for cures for our cancers and other major health issues? Who will control the research, if any?

      - Who benefits most (after politicians) from these new laws? Large companies and labor unions with underfunded health care for retirees. Ask General/Government Motors how much this will save them.

      - Is there any doubt that the "evil rich" will leave this country rather than turn over an escalating portion of their wealth to aid the Democrats in their quest to buy more and more votes? How many more jobs will be lost when they leave?

      - As the Clintons mentioned, the next move will be to seize our 401(k) and retirement savings. Are you willing to watch this happen too?

      - Does anyone with an ounce of common sense think that anyone in Washington actually CARES about us or what we think?

      Please give me hope that we can stop this maddness before it is too late. I am faxing ALL Senators and Representatives again – it only costs 5 cents each – and demanding that they not doom this country to bankruptcy.

      If anyone reading all of these comments fails to vote in the next election, you are aiding and abetting the usurpers of our freedoms.

    37. Jiggs Kincaid, Jacks says:

      My patience is wearing thin.

      When will Obama check Beck's tax returns?

      When will Scalia be impeached?

      When will guns be confiscated?

      When will Mexican food be outlawed?

      When will federal health plans be repealed?

      I'm just worried sick about losing my liberties—though I can't think of any right now—and I'm also concerned about the constitution having words in it that weren't there when socialists like Jefferson put it together.

    38. gene,minnesota says:

      Well lets face it all these old timers that belong to aarp are the ones who got him elected in the frist place I could care less if obama wants to use euthanasia on them old peolpe or not.

    39. Jerry S. Dickinson, says:

      The construction project going on outside is government funded, or, at least inspected. I asked one of the workmen a question concerning what they are doing? No Habla Englisa. The number one concern of the public before Obama took office was Illegeal immigration, all polls showed that as our #1 concern. How he got our attention off that is a work of a true SCAM artist.Health care reform was not in the top three. Yet today that is all of which we hear. The focus should be the economy, the economy is based on the disparate friction of too much abuse. We have at least 25 million illegeals pulling money out of the economy, putting back the bare minimum to survive. They are being subsidized by the government with money collected from our selves and our parents. They are crippling the Penal, Education, legal, and medical fields with unfunded demands on those systems.

      I want to stand on top of Barney Franks head and yell so loud the windows rattle. When the talking idiot Liberals shut up, I will point out to them the fix we need.

      Start in San Diego Ca. dig a footing and place 8"x8"x 16" cinder blocks surrounded with concrete up to the height of 12'. drop in plenty of rebar and grout solid. Now keep doing that for approx.2,000 miles. The cash flow generated by that job would ease 90% of our ills. Simultaneously begin clearing the prisons. Fly them to any place the Mexican Government choses, until they are all gone, Then comb thru every neighborhood and round up every one of them that are not here with proper current documentation. Sure it isn't easy, hardship sucks, but that hasn't stoped them from visiting it upon me. Life is tough, you want it easy then follow the law. Personally I do not care about anchor babies, seperated families, broken homes. Once any adult makes the conscious decision to live life by breaking the law they set themselves up for hardship. If they have a child for the sole purpose of anchor then they are a premeditated felon and deserve what ever comes down. I as an American citizen fully expect to pay the consequences of my acts if while committing a crime I am discovered. Boo Hoo for me right, Same is only right, that is why we have the claus in our Constitution about equal protection under the law. Stop long enough to do some simple math and you will see where our problems lie.

    40. gene,minnesota says:

      the only thing you can say on this site is love and kisses gee whiz.

    41. gene,minnesota says:

      remind me not to support you

    42. Esther Malaspina - E says:

      Please address the issue about the health care coverage/program that our senators and reps (& their families) get as opposed to that which we the tax payers have. This needs exposure. Not much in the news about it.

    43. Esther Malaspina - E says:

      please note the error in my e-mail address.Correct address is elsm22@yahoo.com

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    45. Vested says:

      - Pretty scary stuff! They'll keep Teddy alive by artificial means and/or change and backdate the law to provide a suitable replacement for his vote. They'll use any or all end-around tactics. I would not put this bunch past doing anything – legal or otherwise. The only good news is that more folks are catching on. If you did not see it, the Moss Point, MS town hall meeting on C-Span by Rep. Gene Taylor(D) was AWESOME! It was a breath of fresh air to see that ALL Democrats were not quite as crazy as the one's they usually put on network TV..

    46. Charles, The Republi says:

      In June a friend of mine commented, "the Liberals will start eating their own, just watch" and there are signs he is correct. As I see it Obama's election is a mixed blessing, the slow creep of Socialism has become a full sprint for everyone to see. Americans are waking up and don't like it. A good thing. I see more people re-evaluating their priorities. Another good thing. They are seeing what the "political elite" really thinks of them. You cannot bury the truth forever. The question is, is it to late? If you want real "hope & change" it comes from within, by the grace of God. The Mid-Terms cannot get here fast enough.

    47. Jerry S. Dickinson, says:

      Hey Jiggs Kinkade of Jackson Hole. I suggest directly to a Doctor immediately, you have obviously suffered a stroke or some other debilitating catastrophe. Your thought process is all jumbled up. Hope you get there in time, good luck

    48. Lynn B. DeSpain says:

      The European Nations have Socialized Health Care. The bureaucracy required to run it is one million three hundred and thirty five thousand people! That's not counting Doctors, nurses, hospital staff, pharmacies etc., just the government employees to do the paperwork!

      That makes them the single third largest employer in the World, with China being the largest with a standing Army of two million!

      We do not need a system that has more people running government paperwork than doing medical work on human beings!

      Whenever the Government says,"We are here to help you." They lie. Look out! Just ask an Indian.

      Hozro

    49. Leona Schroeder Hous says:

      How can we stop this madness of socialized healthcare or Obamacare? Obama will push this

      until he gets what he wants and ruins this great mation. When is Pilosi and Reid

      up for re-election?

    50. Czarrina says:

      Hey! Jiggs, I read both your comments and I am confused where you stand?

      It appears that the congress has some trickery to get the health reform they want, but it will be a surprise to everyone, since I'm led to believe there are five bills that they can choose from.

      I saw Potus this morning talking on someone's radio broad cast from the White house.

      The man lied, because he said the idea that there would be redistribution of health care benifits from Medicare patients to younger more deserving patients was out rageous and the "misconception" was started by "cable" news.

      But I declare here and now I heard Potus himself say; Quote" Maybe your elderly mom needs a hip replacement;……But because of her age; …maybe we should just give her pain killers"

      Why did Potus say that for?

      Then again; I heard when one woman was asking him and telling a very nice story; what would happen under reform,if a woman who was very vital and very much alive, but with a medical heart problem, if she was old but needed a Pace maker?

      Potus said again, well we might not see her get an operation but we would give her pain killers"

      Obviouly he did not understand, she was not really in pain, she needed her heart to be regulated.

      {So Dr. Potus misdiagnosed that one}

      The woman she was talking about was her relative and was 100 years old when a doctor put in a pace maker FIVE years ago!!!!

      Why shouldn't anyone old get treatment especially since it was not really a big operation to perform? If our way of life helps people to live longer, why should it be shortend because of health reform as Potus and the lefties see it.

      Yes, I said Potus lied!

      So maybe Jiggs is confused and maybe other people are just as well.

      So perhaps this thing about health reform should be killed and real change could be new tort laws;

      and massive insurance sales crossing state lines;

      independent clinics started and run by churches;

      or a community not for profit group.

      Good heavens, it even might be possible to run an adjacent child care center within the facilities!

      And by the way:

      I didn't hear that anybody went running to Chris Dodd that he had better take some pain killers instead of what ever treatment he is getting to try and cure him?

      That would have gone over big!

    51. Jon, California says:

      While I am a Democrat, I am a fiscally conservative one. I am terribly unhappy with Obama's fiscal irresponsibility. I think its fair to say that I am totally horrified by President Obama and all the members in Congress that have turned the topic of health reform into a total circus.

      While I see the urgent need for health care reform in America, I do not relish the thought of another federal program with runaway spending. The Massachusetts system, put into law by former Governor Romney, has worked well at a moderate cost to the taxpayer. Why this is not the central focus of discussion in Congress is beyond my comprehension.

      Senator Reid's comments and attitude are typical of the Democrats in Congress today. If President Obama is a true leader, he will silence them as soon as possible and avoid any more embarrassment to himself and other Democrats. Unfortunately, that leader is likely to go along with that attitude – and take the whole issue of health reform with him into the toilet. Hopefully the rest of the Democratic Congress will follow.

    52. sherrill , NY/ NJ says:

      it is good to see so many people becoming aware and voicing their opposition to what is being done to this country and its legal citizens. We just have to make sure people stay aware and active and vote in the 2010 elections. If they're in and voting for these bills which are usurping our rights, throw them out….throw all of them out every election until they get the idea that they have a responsibility to do our bidding and not our responsibility to do theirs.

    53. sara gonzales, calif says:

      I read a lot of good things written about how the democrats are doing this, or how the democrats are doing that, but are we doing everything we can to make a difference. Are we calling our Representatives or our Senators? Are we writing or faxing them, or are we just complaining about everything because, it's the easy thing to do. Remember "FAITH WITHOUT WORK IS DEAD".

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    55. Ron Yauk, Longmont C says:

      One more instance of Washington governing based on the "peoples" wishes going by the way side. Everyone needs to continue to blast their representatives with NO on health care along with the statement that we will not forget when re election time comes. I plan on taking out an add with my political support money that reflects never forget 9/11 or that our representatives don't believe they really answer to the American people – vote them out if they are one of the ones that folded on this bill or on "Cap and Trade". What they are doing to our country will not be allowed!

    56. ella,n.c. says:

      Good words Jerry .

    57. Angie, WA says:

      "By any legislative means necessary" – words that should scare the begeebers out of every citizen whether liberal or conservative. Particularly since that has been the mantra since inauguration day. This congress is unfit to serve though there are a few in each party that are sensible – unless trying to swim against the tide of thuggery is deemed insensible.

      This attitude is pervasive (for example: Waxmann the Ratman's attack on insurers) and unceasing.

      Suggest reading Michelle Malkin's book Culture of Corruption (though I think the number of czars has doubled since the book debuted last month)

      Will we have a fair election in 2010?

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    60. Ronald Hook, Goodyea says:

      In response to Jon of California and the Massachusetts' health program. It is now in its 3rd year and is not working well. Costs are beginning to get out of control. The overall health budget had to be cut for the upcoming fiscal year. Certain services are being withdrawn and hospitals are running huge deficits because the funds are not available to cover their costs. When you withdraw certain services, you can read that as "medical rationing". Ask you reps in Congress what they plan to do if costs in the future begin to get out of control on a public health insurance program. You have 2 choices. Increase more money into the program which means higher taxes or take away medical services aka "medical rationing". Not a pretty picture! Do not be fooled by the Canadian medical service or those in Europe. All of them have serious problems with financing and controlling what services they provide to people.

    61. Dalelinda, Fremont, says:

      The Democrats now plan to re-arrange the Obamacare into TWO parts. Incrementally is the way, these people think – and they must believe that the USA citizens can't figure what they are doing? As for myself, I want ZERO from this shameless Obamacare. And if not TWO parts, then perhaps try some psychological tricks and employ a half-dozen parts. Heck, maybe fifteen or so parts and maybe offer us some money (out of our taxes, of course) to buy into his pet Obamacare (that is, complete CONTROL of our lives.) How about throwing in a 2nd new house for each of us as a GIFT, hmmmmmm??? Any takers????? So where now does "the ends justifies the means" come from? Saul Alinski?

    62. Gerard/FLorida says:

      Jeff Nailed it! Marxbama without question is trying to get illegals involved. It's free votes. I have no problem with immigration. I am from an Italian family that cam her in 1920's. However, illegals of today are scamming and robbing hard working Americans Blind~

    63. gail,texas says:

      We do need to throw this bunch of idiots out of office,I urge everyone to vote them out!ESPECIALLY Pelosi, Reid,Barney Frank,Waxman!They are incompetent,foolish,AND catering to illegals,crackheads,ACORN,& others too lazy or stupid to actually work, (other than voting for higher taxes in hopes of getting something at someone elses expense) Why did this new gang,(new black panthers or something else equally stupid) get away with voter intimidation?? Don't americans have the right to vote?? Lets prosecute them,They're denying people their civil rights,basic american rights, insist on prosecution..set up panels to investigate them and ACORN,Their Financing,activities,if their taxes have been paid…of course then it may come to light that most of our "leaders" haven't paid their taxes either!

    64. Bob, Chicago IL says:

      Harry Reid's term is up in 2010- If he pulls this legislative stunt let the voters of Nevada unite!

    65. Chris, Miami Fl says:

      If the main issue in healthcare is its price, why is no one talking about the one solution that will lower the price–increasing supply. All of the solutions presented so far focus on demand, and specifically on capping it, i.e. rationing. The "high" price of health care is telling us that the relationship between supply and demand is too tight. What incentives can be put in place to develop more doctors, build more health facilities and achieve greater economies of scale for our technologies, rather than trying to squash demand?

    66. Dmobile215 Philadelp says:

      I am telling The White House is full of people who are doing something that they have no business doing…First and foremost do not be misguided my the Health issue the war is the big deal they know once we go after Afghanistan we have to watch out because we have to many people from other countries because America is owned by everyone but Americans…

    67. Dmobile215 Philadelp says:

      I am telling The White House is full of people who are doing something that they have no business doing…First and foremost do not be misguided my the Health issue the war is the big deal they know once we go after Afghanistan we have to watch out because we have to many people from other countries because America is owned by everyone but Americans…

      Check out the history on America and look at how we were bought over here as slaves and now we are modern day slaves to the old system.

    68. Steve, Carmel NY says:

      Insanity is when you know that something does not work yet you keep making the same error to see if if you can change the outcome. National Healthcare has historically not worked well and I do not see why this proposal is different than any other one that has been attempted. I am also concerned that even acceptance of a watered down proposal will be a foot in the door for further intervention into our health system. The 1000+ pages and open endedness of the bill is of concern, as is poor access for review of the bill by the public. These cause further suspicion as to the integrity of the unknowns who wrote it. Why should we accept this plan when members of the House and Senate are said to have been able to opt themselves out? We would do better by working on various segments of health care individually rather than change the whole system. An aggressive and radical change as proposed, that "has to be approved immediately", with no time for the public or our Representatives to review it is a tyrranical attempt for change (for the worse)and must be rejected.

    69. Mike Sheahen, Hickor says:

      In other words, well, first the good news, and then the bad news.

      The good news is that the so-called "Progressive (Leftist)" government elitists and statists, such as Comrade Harry Reid, have so demagogued and pandered their way into their government elitist and statist freedom and prosperity-killing power, and are so arrogantly and abusively comfortable in that power, that they are now blatantly declaring their determination to have their government elitist and statist power and money-grabbing way, no matter what, even when a majority of "we, the people" are opposed to both it and them.

      That declaration of "the Democrats will pass Obamacare by any legislative means necessary (in other words by hook, or by crook)", and thus force it down our throats when the majority of us, the people, are opposed to both them and it, is indeed a declaration of such an arrogantly abusive government elitist and statist power and money-grabbing agenda and attitude.

      But now for the bad news which is that, as already repeatedly proven throughout history to this day, the government elitist and statist power and money-grabbing agenda and attitude, including that of so-called "Progressives (Leftists)", is so hostile toward and destructive of freedoms as individuals and as a nation that, unless enough of us, the people, wake up, rise up, and, now in our case, defeat such "by any means necessary" government elitist and statist power and money-grabbers such as Harry Reid, and remove them from power, then the words of so many immigrants (including our founders and others to this day) will be made forever completely, inescapably, and tragically true (quote): "I came to America to live free of such government control, which has already been many times tried and has failed everywhere…Now where do I go?".

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