Comments on: Morning Bell: How The Public Option Became The Core Of Obamacare http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/19/morning-bell-how-the-public-option-became-the-core-of-obamacare/ Fri, 25 May 2012 15:33:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: gorio, calif. http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/19/morning-bell-how-the-public-option-became-the-core-of-obamacare/#comment-51081 gorio, calif. Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:40:50 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=13156#comment-51081 We all need to remember some facts, that the Democrats control the house, senate and presidency. The democrats main constituency are those that either pay no income tax or very little and have a very limited appreciation of national issues. This is the year of the leftist/acorn/aclu/appolo/seiu/ the list is long. The outrage of the typical taxpayer is being thwarted by an indifferent hardcore lower half of the demographic. This group doesn't know it yet but they will get the brunt of the anti-capitalist legislation in the form of lost jobs and lost medical care due to long waits and poor care (see medical). The government for all its hoopla only affects a small percentage of actual GDP in the form of jobs but can have a dramatic effect on the phsycology of the enterpenure. 70% of the jobs for the lower demographic are created by the enterprenur . The governments tax policies and regulations will make or break this group, no amount of" government" employment will replace this group, I hope the leftists in power know they are playing fast and loose with the nations economic health when they lean on small business... We all need to remember some facts, that the Democrats control the house, senate and presidency. The democrats main constituency are those that either pay no income tax or very little and have a very limited appreciation of national issues. This is the year of the leftist/acorn/aclu/appolo/seiu/ the list is long. The outrage of the typical taxpayer is being thwarted by an indifferent hardcore lower half of the demographic. This group doesn't know it yet but they will get the brunt of the anti-capitalist legislation in the form of lost jobs and lost medical care due to long waits and poor care (see medical). The government for all its hoopla only affects a small percentage of actual GDP in the form of jobs but can have a dramatic effect on the phsycology of the enterpenure. 70% of the jobs for the lower demographic are created by the enterprenur . The governments tax policies and regulations will make or break this group, no amount of" government" employment will replace this group, I hope the leftists in power know they are playing fast and loose with the nations economic health when they lean on small business…

]]> By: Grassroots in Nebraska: In the News, August 14-21, 2009 | Grassroots in Nebraska http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/19/morning-bell-how-the-public-option-became-the-core-of-obamacare/#comment-50967 Grassroots in Nebraska: In the News, August 14-21, 2009 | Grassroots in Nebraska Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:47:30 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=13156#comment-50967 [...] Morning Bell:  How the Public Option Became the Core of Obamacare By Conn Carroll of the Heritage Foundation; August 19, 2009 [...] [...] Morning Bell:  How the Public Option Became the Core of Obamacare By Conn Carroll of the Heritage Foundation; August 19, 2009 [...]

]]> By: News for 08/21/09 | RagingElephants.org http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/19/morning-bell-how-the-public-option-became-the-core-of-obamacare/#comment-50201 News for 08/21/09 | RagingElephants.org Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:45:16 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=13156#comment-50201 [...] How The Public Option Became The Core Of Obamacare http://www.foundry.org/2009/08/19/morning-bell-how-the-public-option-became-the-core-of-obamacare/ [...] [...] How The Public Option Became The Core Of Obamacare http://www.foundry.org/2009/08/19/morning-bell-how-the-public-option-became-the-core-of-obamacare/ [...]

]]> By: mackp http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/19/morning-bell-how-the-public-option-became-the-core-of-obamacare/#comment-50202 mackp Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:01:57 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=13156#comment-50202 Can someone help me understand why our Representative's,take an oath to protect and live up to the Constitution and when they don'nt there is nothing being done or can be done about it. Everyday just about the bills,laws that they pass or unconstitutional. And if the is no law to inforce them to abide to the Constitution, why even have them take the Oath. Why is this not being fought in the courts to impeach the ones not living up to the Oath. Semper Fi Can someone help me understand why our Representative's,take an oath to protect and live up to the Constitution and when they don'nt there is nothing being done or can be done about it. Everyday just about the bills,laws that they pass or unconstitutional. And if the is no law to inforce them to abide to the Constitution, why even have them take the Oath. Why is this not being fought in the courts to impeach the ones not living up to the Oath. Semper Fi

]]> By: Ian, ILLINOIS http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/19/morning-bell-how-the-public-option-became-the-core-of-obamacare/#comment-50187 Ian, ILLINOIS Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:02:01 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=13156#comment-50187 Just wondering, Years ago I heard that France employs 90% of the population, along with health care and benefits. How does Obamacare compare? Just wondering,

Years ago I heard that France employs 90% of the population, along with health care and benefits.

How does Obamacare compare?

]]> By: Roger S., Ma. http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/19/morning-bell-how-the-public-option-became-the-core-of-obamacare/#comment-50163 Roger S., Ma. Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:56:49 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=13156#comment-50163 By the way, to April, Colorado, who writes: "You can talk until you are blue in the face about capitalism. But the fact remains… Health care is not a retail business!" Wrong, in a way it is, except during an acute or catastrophic event. This is where the government, if it really wanted to help, instead of just to control everything, could demand that insurers and providers, or their holding companies, when operating inter-state, provide a minimum catastrophic event insurance, closely defined, with high deductible. You instantly get a baseline of highly comparable price / performance and could go "shopping" among numerous offers, and then add additional options as desired. Insurers and providers would be forced to compete like mad by actually listening to you, the consumer. -- You, on the other hand, would be forced to use services judiciously and responsibly, because you would be paying for simple and routine things out of pocket. -- Today, insurers/providers enjoy a quasi-monopoly. If you "hate" them because you feel they're gouging you, you really should be in favor of this. This requires that the insured owns his insurance, can transfer it when changing jobs, has its cost deductible, etc. This is where the various governments, including state and federal, are currently legally in the way, in each others' as well as the individuals'. It's the governments job to protect you from abuses, not to provide for you. Least of all is it its job to create even more abuses to eliminate the ones which it caused or condoned in the first place. If it were to get busy actually performing its proper functions, Capitalism could and would do a better job providing better offers to meet your changing needs. When you go shopping for clothing, do you visit only one store to always buy the same duds regardless of season? Do you buy the same clothes today as 20 or 30 years ago, as when you were a child, or a teen? Do you let anybody tell you what to wear? Probably not since your HS "dress-code" days! The only time you'd put up with the nearest store just because it's around the corner, I'll wager, would be if "lightning struck", and you found yourself suddenly naked on main street! So, why should you be forced to act differently for something so much more important than your clothing; not be able to adapt your health care to the seasons of your life or your particular circumstances of health?! Someone once said that a government that does everything for you will have to take everything from you. I sometimes get the feeling that a lot of people are secretly hoping and thinking it will only take from their neighbors. Better think again! Give Capitalism a chance before putting it down. Government entitlements only work "well" for those who have nothing to lose. Once they run out of "other peoples' money they stop working altogether. Then what ?! (Ever visit a typical clinic in 80's Russia or 90's China? If you don't want to believe me, I highly recommend a field trip. Some of these are still around; quite a few, in fact!) By the way, to April, Colorado, who writes:

"You can talk until you are blue in the face about capitalism. But the fact remains… Health care is not a retail business!"

Wrong, in a way it is, except during an acute or catastrophic event. This is where the government, if it really wanted to help, instead of just to control everything, could demand that insurers and providers, or their holding companies, when operating inter-state, provide a minimum catastrophic event insurance, closely defined, with high deductible. You instantly get a baseline of highly comparable price / performance and could go "shopping" among numerous offers, and then add additional options as desired. Insurers and providers would be forced to compete like mad by actually listening to you, the consumer. — You, on the other hand, would be forced to use services judiciously and responsibly, because you would be paying for simple and routine things out of pocket. — Today, insurers/providers enjoy a quasi-monopoly. If you "hate" them because you feel they're gouging you, you really should be in favor of this.

This requires that the insured owns his insurance, can transfer it when changing jobs, has its cost deductible, etc. This is where the various governments, including state and federal, are currently legally in the way, in each others' as well as the individuals'. It's the governments job to protect you from abuses, not to provide for you. Least of all is it its job to create even more abuses to eliminate the ones which it caused or condoned in the first place. If it were to get busy actually performing its proper functions, Capitalism could and would do a better job providing better offers to meet your changing needs.

When you go shopping for clothing, do you visit only one store to always buy the same duds regardless of season? Do you buy the same clothes today as 20 or 30 years ago, as when you were a child, or a teen? Do you let anybody tell you what to wear? Probably not since your HS "dress-code" days! The only time you'd put up with the nearest store just because it's around the corner, I'll wager, would be if "lightning struck", and you found yourself suddenly naked on main street! So, why should you be forced to act differently for something so much more important than your clothing; not be able to adapt your health care to the seasons of your life or your particular circumstances of health?!

Someone once said that a government that does everything for you will have to take everything from you. I sometimes get the feeling that a lot of people are secretly hoping and thinking it will only take from their neighbors. Better think again! Give Capitalism a chance before putting it down. Government entitlements only work "well" for those who have nothing to lose. Once they run out of "other peoples' money they stop working altogether. Then what ?! (Ever visit a typical clinic in 80's Russia or 90's China? If you don't want to believe me, I highly recommend a field trip. Some of these are still around; quite a few, in fact!)

]]> By: Roger S., Ma. http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/19/morning-bell-how-the-public-option-became-the-core-of-obamacare/#comment-49993 Roger S., Ma. Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:39:29 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=13156#comment-49993 So, let's see: We will get to chose between Cholera, Plague, and Ebola? Strictly government controlled "coops" = cholera; "public option" = plague; and "single payer" = ebola. Some health insurance reform choices these present! -- Die slowly, medium fast, or real fast. Whereby, coops basically would be a good thing. The trouble comes when government slaps them all with so much regulation that they all become more or less unviable and people will ask the government to step in and "straighten things out". Result? We're back (or forward) to single payer. Since even a simpleton can, generally, see through these ploys, yet very many people continue to demand some sort of reform where the government takes the initiative and provides "supervision", we must conclude that by and large a big proportion of the US public still thinks they can get something for less or even for nothing, if only the government does everything "right". -- Get out the news to them: "Big government" IS "doing everything right", but SS, Medicare, and Medicaid is the typical result. Ditto, 535 unresponsive Congresspersons who think they're "doing their best for America and Americans" and feel misunderstood and hounded when constituents question that, is the result of asking and relying on government to do the things everybody could and should be doing for him/her self! That's the message we have to keep repeating over and over until it begins to sink in ! The Constitution's Article 1 "enumerated federal powers" were there for a reason: The Founding Fathers had had the "full lethal dose" of "big government" (the British parliament) trying to run things from afar; and a King who couldn't have cared less just so long as he "got his." -- They didn't want a repeat, ever. Neither do we, two-and a half centuries later! -- Pass the word (and keep on passing it): "Business as usual", which by the way the "great spin-master" himself once promised to stop (Remember?!), HAS to stop. NOW. We've run out of alternatives ! The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing ! So, let's see: We will get to chose between Cholera, Plague, and Ebola? Strictly government controlled "coops" = cholera; "public option" = plague; and "single payer" = ebola. Some health insurance reform choices these present! — Die slowly, medium fast, or real fast.

Whereby, coops basically would be a good thing. The trouble comes when government slaps them all with so much regulation that they all become more or less unviable and people will ask the government to step in and "straighten things out". Result? We're back (or forward) to single payer.

Since even a simpleton can, generally, see through these ploys, yet very many people continue to demand some sort of reform where the government takes the initiative and provides "supervision", we must conclude that by and large a big proportion of the US public still thinks they can get something for less or even for nothing, if only the government does everything "right". — Get out the news to them: "Big government" IS "doing everything right", but SS, Medicare, and Medicaid is the typical result. Ditto, 535 unresponsive Congresspersons who think they're "doing their best for America and Americans" and feel misunderstood and hounded when constituents question that, is the result of asking and relying on government to do the things everybody could and should be doing for him/her self! That's the message we have to keep repeating over and over until it begins to sink in !

The Constitution's Article 1 "enumerated federal powers" were there for a reason: The Founding Fathers had had the "full lethal dose" of "big government" (the British parliament) trying to run things from afar; and a King who couldn't have cared less just so long as he "got his." — They didn't want a repeat, ever. Neither do we, two-and a half centuries later! — Pass the word (and keep on passing it): "Business as usual", which by the way the "great spin-master" himself once promised to stop (Remember?!), HAS to stop. NOW. We've run out of alternatives ! The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing !

]]> By: robert sargent sr.we http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/19/morning-bell-how-the-public-option-became-the-core-of-obamacare/#comment-49937 robert sargent sr.we Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:24:08 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=13156#comment-49937 we have a criminal element running our country.government health care is criminal.where is this honest man to step forward and save our soles.money is the root of all evil.do let the criminals ruin our country we have a criminal element running our country.government health care is criminal.where is this honest man to step forward and save our soles.money is the root of all evil.do let the criminals ruin our country

]]> By: Chris, Western Wi. http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/19/morning-bell-how-the-public-option-became-the-core-of-obamacare/#comment-49923 Chris, Western Wi. Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:36:54 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=13156#comment-49923 If any part of this legislation becomes law, then we are bigger "fools" than those now seated in this administration! The "hammer and sickle" needs to fall on every incumbent come November 2010! We haven't heard a peep in the main stream media about any Republican options of interstate insurance purchases, eliminating free health care for illegals, or health care saving accounts; all good ideas! What is happening to our country!!! If any part of this legislation becomes law, then we are bigger "fools" than those now seated in this administration!

The "hammer and sickle" needs to fall on every incumbent come November 2010!

We haven't heard a peep in the main stream media about any Republican options of interstate insurance purchases, eliminating free health care for illegals, or health care saving accounts; all good ideas!

What is happening to our country!!!

]]> By: Harry, Illinois http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/19/morning-bell-how-the-public-option-became-the-core-of-obamacare/#comment-49922 Harry, Illinois Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:11:06 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=13156#comment-49922 This Health Care HR3200 package is not about the American People. It's a Power Struggle between Big Business (G.E.) etc., Unions, Special Interest & Lobbyist Groups, in order to determine how the future of health care and related consumer spending tied to this bill is going to be administered. The lines have been drawn, the politicians have been bought off and now it's a struggle to determine who has the biggest you know what to pass the bill. They do not have our interest, including those without insurance at heart. All they want is your money. And pretty soon, we won't have much of that either, so enjoy those meals while you can. Bread and soup lines may be coming. If this bill gets passed it will be the beginning of the end for this country. We cannot afford any more debt or mis-managed programs. We must stand together as a united people and let our representatives know that if they enact this legislation they will be voted out lock, stock and barrel. For all I care, we can have a whole new legislative branch consisting of independents, libritarians or whatever you want to call them who are beholding to no one. This Health Care HR3200 package is not about the American People. It's a Power Struggle between Big Business (G.E.) etc., Unions, Special Interest & Lobbyist Groups, in order to determine how the future of health care and related consumer spending tied to this bill is going to be administered. The lines have been drawn, the politicians have been bought off and now it's a struggle to determine who has the biggest you know what to pass the bill. They do not have our interest, including those without insurance at heart. All they want is your money. And pretty soon, we won't have much of that either, so enjoy those meals while you can. Bread and soup lines may be coming.

If this bill gets passed it will be the beginning of the end for this country. We cannot afford any more debt or mis-managed programs. We must stand together as a united people and let our representatives know that if they enact this legislation they will be voted out lock, stock and barrel. For all I care, we can have a whole new legislative branch consisting of independents, libritarians or whatever you want to call them who are beholding to no one.

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