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  • Morning Bell: Is Obamacare Consistent With Our First Principles?

    During one of Sen. Arlen Specter’s (D-PA) early health care townhalls in Lebanon, Pennsylvania; mother of two Katy Abram told the audience: “I don’t believe this is just about health care. It’s not about TARP. It’s not about left and right. This is about the systematic dismantling of this country. I’m only 35 years-old. I’ve never been interested in politics. You have awakened the sleeping giant.” Abrams is dead on. Our federal government has, unfortunately, long been drifting away from the limited government principles first envisioned by our founders. But over the past eleven months, that drift has turned into an all out sprint towards an undemocratic, technocratic, leviathan state … a type of government that our Constitution was specifically designed to prevent.

    As Abram points out, both political parties have been complicit in the rapid deterioration of our founding principles. It was after all President Bush who pushed for and signed the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 which created the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP). When the Bush administration submitted their legislation to Congress we warned: “From a constitutional standpoint, the current versions of the legislation are different in scope, and especially in kind, from almost any federal legislation that has come before.” Specifically we identified: (1) Congress’s enumerated power—or lack thereof—to intervene with private markets in the manner contemplated, (2) the lack of meaningful standards to guide the extremely broad grant of discretion to the Treasury secretary (the “legislative delegation” problem), (3) limitations on judicial review over the exercise of that almost limitless discretion, and (4) related separation of powers concerns.

    The only thing that truly surprised us after the legislation’s passage was just how quickly our worst fears were realized. The TARP plan, as sold to Congress, was never even implemented and, instead, it quickly devolved into a political slush fund. Because of the broad delegations of authority in the bill, the American people were left with no real avenue to check the federal government’s unprecedented interference in the U.S. economy. When Members of Congress voted for the bill in October 2008, could any of them honestly say they thought they had just voted to bailout General Motors and Chrysler?

    The proposed health care legislation is just as bad, if not worse, than TARP. Sec. 142 of H.R. 3200 grants the new Orwellian-titled “Health Choices Commissioner” broad lawmaking authority, including the power to: set standards for every Americans health insurance plan, determine which of your current insurance plans do or do not meet that standard, and then  punish plans that do not meet that standard. Even worse is what is not yet in the bill, but is desperately wanted by the Obama administration. A super-empowered Medicare Payment Advisory Commission that is specifically designed to “save money in an apolitical, technocratic way.” The entire purpose of this part of Obamacare would be to take medical decisions away from patients and vest it in a panel of experts specifically designed to be completely unaccountable to the American people. Is this what the Framers of the Constitution had in mind?

    When the Constitution was being ratified, James Madison, writing as Publius, sought to allay fears that the new national government would turn into a Leviathan. In the 45th Federalist Paper he emphasized that adoption of the Constitution would create a government of enumerated, and therefore strictly limited, powers. Madison said: “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined… [and] will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce….” Federal tax collectors, Madison assured everyone, “will be principally on the seacoast, and not very numerous.” Exactly six months after publication of this essay, New York became the 11th state to ratify the Constitution. Is turning over one-sixth of our nation’s economy over to Obama’s super-MedPAC panel in any way consistent with this vision?

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    160 Responses to Morning Bell: Is Obamacare Consistent With Our First Principles?

    1. Charles Texas says:

      This is just another example of the President underlining the comments made by Ms. Clinton and John McCain. They stated, during the campaign, that Obama did not have the experience to serve as President. He himself stated that he had no idea how bad the problems were that he faced. Even he admits his imcompetence.

    2. Jerry S. Dickinson, says:

      Of The People, By The People and For The people.

      Government was granted specific areas of authority, Interstate Commerce, Raise a Military primarily. It has, over the years been morphed into an ugly beast with regard to its owner.

      We the people, are mistakenly being cast as only upset with Obamacare. While we are upset about the abortion being planned for Healthcare, this is just our platform. The only platform we can currently be heard from. I am at a point I never would have believed possible a year ago. Outrage over the attitude of every elected official in the land. Locally Iget absoloutly zero response fron elected representatives, Statewide, they pass legislation we do not even get to read about

    3. Ben Brandon - Rising says:

      Unless we return to a point where there is some well defined standard on what is "unconstitutional" (I suggest using Article I Section 8) for what goes on in Washington this will never get any better. Just because elected representatives in the House and Senate MAY use the commerce clause and the general welfare clause as excuse for why they do what they do does not mean they MUST. I will never vote for anyone ever again who will not assure me that they will abide by the INTENT of the Constitution.

    4. Richard Cancemi, Arl says:

      What's happening in our Country is truly frightening and saddening.

      What I don't understand is the willingness of the followers of "Progressive" Liberals to go along with the destructiveness of the current administration.

      What is their real resentment to this Country's Constitutional structure that makes them support its destruction?

      Is it their failure to succeed in life?

      Is it some deep resentment that has been nurtured in them by activists?

      Is it a soaking up of the propaganda in the liberal media? Is it a lack of reasoning and logic

      Is it just plain ignorance?

      Is it apathy?

      Is it malice?

      Is it a penchant to deny the reality they see and accept what others tell them they are seeing?

      I just don't understand them.

      Maybe they are like little children, too immature in their psyches to appreciate what is valuable, and can only wantonly destroy what is given to them?

      A sad and dangerous puzzlement!

    5. Mike Pryor, Lake Zur says:

      Good article today. This is exactly the message that needs to get out. Our freedoms and liberties are under attack, our ability to dream, succeed and risk failure (you heard me right….risk failure) are under attack, our way of life that has made this country great is under attack…..yes our CONSTITUTION is under attack. It is NOT about Obama’s desire to help those who have no insurance. It is about his goal of ultimate control.

    6. Richard Ranville, Jr says:

      "ObamaCare" is not constitutional and legal challenges need to be ready in the vent they are able to pass it. At one level all the debate is mystifying: the plans put out by the Progressives are simply unconstitutional.

    7. Tom, Pennsylvania says:

      This article is right on the money. As a teacher of history there have been days when I have to carefully watch what I say so I don't sound "too political" in the classroom. The Congress needs to go back and read the Constitution and stop its endless grab for power and intrusion into our lives. The endless spending and passing of laws that interfere with democratic and free market processes is what ails the country. Congress uses earmarks, pork barrel spending, and the tax code to reward some people and punish others. Something has to be done. They go to Washington and forget who sent them there. Many have not held any real jobs other than perhaps being a lawyer (need I say more) or they have been in Congress so long, they are out of touch with reality. We need the states to pass a Constitutional Amendment that restricts the number of terms any one member can hold in Congress and not allow them to have the job for life. People continue to vote and reelect members over and over again allowing members to gain power and a reelection war chest that no one can afford to unseat them. Something has to change!

    8. Linda Carlsbad, CA says:

      Katy Abrams is one smart young lady. Thank you for standing up for all Americans!She is not alone, every day I talk to young people as I go shopping etc. just to see where they stand.If they know about what is happening in our government. I am happy to say, everyone knows,and they don't like it!

    9. Grace, Florida says:

      Yes the tide has turned over the last 11 months – and hopefully we are going in the right direction The real problem lies in us – we've trusted our elected officials to do the right thing and they haven't. They have taken advantage of us and played politics on the Hill. Thank God the sleeping giants are waking up and trying to take the country back. These politicians' attitudes are amazing. They act like we are bothering them. When have we heard politicians making fun of the people who got them there? We as Americans have got to make them understand, once again, they work for us and we put them there and we have to power to boot them out. No more trusting them to do the right thing – they need to start listening to us again. They need to govern according to the Constitution. Ms. Abrams is right this is not about healthcare – it's about a Administration who is power hungry. I personally will no longer stand for it and I think there are many Americans who share my views. Congratulations to all citizens who are taking back America.

    10. Eric - Conyers GA says:

      Right On!

      I'm 'officially old' this month having drawn my first SS check. They already spent those contributory $ long ago so it is right out of pocket.

      Everytime the government increases the burocracy it's like 'tarbaby'.

      After the many years, of 'rubber stamping', I WILL be a conservative political activist for the rest of my life!

    11. Larry, MIchigan says:

      We have become the borrower nation, and no longer the lender nation. We have become the follower nation, and no longer the leader nation, (other than this phony obscene cap and tax bill.) We have become a weakened nation, and no longer the stronger nation. Unless "WE THE PEOPLE" start now to remove all of these so-called leaders from our government, both democrat and republican, we are going to see this great country, which has done the greatest good, for the greatest number of people, in the shortest time-span ever, fall, and may never again arise.

    12. Christopher Popham S says:

      Truer words were never written; that both major

      parties have been deliberately complicit in the

      downfall of this great nation over the past 30 years.

      And now, Americans are becoming better informed,

      are stepping up to the plate for their country and

      are angry in the process, as they continue to discover the ineptitude, greed and corruption, which

      pervades Congress. And the harsh left wing Democrats

      do not like this sudden awareness by the people.

      This state of affairs is not relegated to just the

      CURRENT Administration or Congressional leaders.

      This abhorent behaviour, dessimating our founders

      intentions, goes back a long way.

      Personally, I am glad to see so many average Americans up in arms over health care, cap & trade,

      excessive taxation and the failure of Washington to

      keep its promise of transparency, hope and change we

      can believe in. The extreme fringe elements from

      both sides of the aisle only serve to further convolute the issues; however, we can only 'hope' that out of these town hall meetings will come a

      more united people bent on adhering to the first four paragraphs of the Declaration of Independence.

      That's right—the Declaration. Get with the program

      America. March in Washington Saturday, Sept 12th and

      let our political elites know our deep concerns.

      For the sake of the United States of America, take

      a stand, be heard, write a letter to the White House

      or Congress, but do not stand idly by as our laws,

      the Constitution are shredded before our eyes.

      Elected officials work for us. They are paid good

      salaries by us. They are answerable to us.

      We must tell them about our concerns for America.

      Should we fail to do that, then we fail ourselves and above all, our nation.

    13. Jeff, Florida says:

      Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists,

      Marxists:

      We have stuck together since the late 1950's, but the whole of this

      latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I

      know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future

      generations, but sadly, this relationship has run its course. Our two

      ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is

      right so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it

      up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.

      Here is a model separation agreement:

      Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each

      taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our

      two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be

      relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide

      other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.

      We don't like re distributive taxes so you can keep them. You are

      welcome to the liberal judges=2

      0and the ACLU.

      Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA

      and the

      military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O' Donnell (You

      are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough

      to move all three of them)..

      We'll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical

      companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street. You can have your beloved

      homeless, homeboys, hippies and illegal aliens.

      We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO's and rednecks.

      We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood

      You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to

      invade and hammer places that threaten us.

      You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our

      way of life are under assault, we'll help provide them security.

      We'll keep our Judeo-Christian

      values.. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley

      McClain. You can also have the U.N.. but we will no longer be paying

      the bill.

      We'll keep the SUVs, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can

      take every Subaru station wagon you can find.

      You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing

      doctors. We'll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a

      right.

      We'll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and the National Anthem. I'm

      sure20you'll be happy to substitute Imagine, I'd Like to Teach

      the World to Sing, Kum Ba Ya or We Are the World.

      We'll practice trickle down economics and you can give trickle up

      poverty your best shot.

      Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our

      flag.

      Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like

      minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just

      hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you ANWAR which

      one of us will need whose help in 15 years..

      Sincerely,

      John J. Wall

      Law Student and an American

      P.S. Also, please take Barbara Streisand & Jane Fonda with you

    14. Lee, Tampa says:

      is this a joke?

      we want nationalized health care — we voted for it.

      we want our troops home from pointless wars — we voted for it.

      we want separation of church and state — we voted for it.

      I think our founding fathers would be proud.

    15. Jeff, Florida says:

      Update from Oklahoma:

      The state law passed today, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in D.C., along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values…! Guess what……….We did it anyway. HB 1330

      We recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from, unless they want to get a green card and/or become an American citizen. They all scattered. Hope we didn't send any of them to your state. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake. Guess what……….we did it anyway. HB 1804

      Yesterday we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegals to the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional. Guess what……..We did it anyway. SB 1102

      Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. That, for your information, makes Oklahoma and Texas the only states to do so. Guess what………More states are likely to follow. Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, both Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, just to name a few. Should Mississippi act, so will Florida. Save your confederate money, it appears the South is about to rise up once again. HJR 1003

      The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns. Oklahoma, a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a set back for the Kennedys and Ms Pelosi.

      Guess what……….We did it anyway. 10th Circuit Court of Appeals ruling 3-0

      By the way, Obama does not like any of this.

      Guess what….who cares…were doing it anyway.

    16. Wayne Middleton - Gr says:

      Regarding "Obamacare consistent with our first principles"

      It is not, neither is TARP and many, many of the things our Congress is doing. They are pushing hard at turning our Republic into a true Democracy where a majority vote on anything forces all to live with it, regardless of what the Constitution says. Hillary Clinton, just yesterday or the day before in Africa, made the comment that "our democracy is still developing." We were not established as a democracy – John Adams and others stated that they had established a Republic.

      Am I wrong on this? Were we established as a

      Republic or Democracy?

      I constantly here politicians, newscasters, and hundreds of "talking heads" describing our system of government as a "Democracy."

      Our founders described our system of government as a "Republic." In fact, everyone who has ever repeated the Pledge of Allegiance to our Flag understands the pledge is made to the “Republic” for which it stands.

      Apparently most people do not understand this – not even our elected representatives.

      Would you help clear this misconception up? Perhaps you might use the subject as a talking point on your Newsletters. I believe it should be a plank in the platform of the Republican Party or perhaps there should be another party with this as a plank – if the Republicans won't purse it.

      I think I understand the difference – maybe I don't. Is it not that in a democracy, the majority opinion, desire, etc. is followed and in a republic, all obey “the law of the land,” which in the case of the US began with the Constitution.

      I like our Constitution. I like the limitations it sets forth for actions of the government with the states and the people.

      Somehow, our elected representatives do not understand this concept. Is there some covert action taking place to change our system of government?

      Have our elected officials come to think they can set aside these limitations without going through the process of gaining approval for amendments to the Constitution? Do they think this is a democracy, and all they need to do is obtain a majority vote in the Congress to make something "the law?" Aren’t most of these folks “lawyers?” What do they not understand about the law? Isn’t the law taught in “law” schools?

      Why is the Supreme Court, those charged with assuring our Constitution is followed, not doing its duty?

      Wayne Middleton

      Greenville, Sc

      864-569-4063

    17. okiejim says:

      It is disgraceful that the likes of Dick Durbin and the rest of the libs in congress are afraid to hold town meetings because they don't want to be attacked by their constituents. Is it because they know their Healthcare overhaul is wrong and really bad for the country? Unfortunately, they don't want to give up the only chance they will ever have to make their mark, good or bad… so they forget all about the principles of free speech and dissent that have made this country so great. Even worse, some of their cohorts are resorting to trying to stifle the protesting voices of freedom.

    18. rtwagaman, keswick, says:

      To Obama's credit, he appears to have saved us from a major depression, and he knows that the current health care system is in a death spiral. The primary problem is that the Republicans have not stepped to up help get this country on the correct track–on anything! It is only logical that one party will attempt to fill the vacuum caused by the other party's lack of constructive action. It is time for both parties to shut up and get to work to straighten this country out. The Senate Gang of Six (including 3 Republicans) is the best alternative to doing nothing.

    19. Sybil, Tampa says:

      Katy Abrams as a spokesperson? Please. I doubt the woman knows what the TARP is. Remember she wasn't outraged after 9-11, she didn't care about our nation being in two wars, and she doesn't know what her family income is. She wants to "go back to our country as the Founding Fathers wrote" – she wants to be counted as 3/5 of person with no rights?

      Keep Katy in Lebanon and maybe send her a few history books on tape.

    20. Bob Veigel, Arlingto says:

      Obama's health care is about one thing and one thing only. More power and control to the government and the destruction of America, once 'the home of the brave and the land of the free'. Now to be the home of pansies and land of slaves.

    21. rtwagaman, keswick, says:

      In 2001 the World Health Organisation ranked health systems. France was judged to be top nation because its system combined universal coverage, responsive providers and patient and provider freedoms, all at a cost of 11% of national income, more expensive than the UK but considerably less than the US (16-17%).

      France has a system of universal healthcare financed by compulsory national insurance. Premiums are charged as a percentage of income and paid to insurers that are non-government, non-profit agencies. The French have a choice of doctor whose fee they usually pay and then claim back 75-80 per cent of the cost. The poor are exempt from payment. All patients, whether exempt from co-payments or not, may go directly to a specialist.

    22. Mad-andy, Missouri says:

      I had thought there were no patriots left. Thank you Katy Abrams for helping people see that the government does not care about us.

      I do not remember there ever being a referendum vote from the people on national healthcare, and just because Mr. Obama won the election, does not mean the democratic process must stop and we all just do as he says.

      NOW is the time we must stop trying to sway the federal representatives and speak to our state level reps instead. This is a states rights issue that must be asserted at the state level. There is no constitutional right for what the federal government is doing. This has to stop.

      Does anyone realize what happens to America when the money runs out?

      "socialism is great until you run out of other peoples money" Margaret Thatcher

      Even if you discount all the aggressive powers in the world, have you thought about the narco-terroristic war on our southern border? The millions of gang members that want what you have? Remember criminals?

      If you think this is a good thing for america, then go rent "Mad Max", "Soylent Green", or "Logan's run", and then think about your opinion a little more.

      To Lee in Florida, get yourself educated, or get out of the way.

    23. JOHN PAUL JONES says:

      This article describes my feelings over the last 9 years. The problem started under FDR,continued through LBJ and excellerated in recent years. They spend money that they don't have and are not responsible for the outcome. Perhaps another revolution through voting can take place. We really need a viable third party.

    24. Sooner_Red_State OK says:

      2 simple requests to ask of the "progressives" in DC:

      1- Exactly (specifics please) is the problem that health "reform" is supposed to correct?

      2- Explain (citing Article, Section and Clause, please) where the Constitution authorizes you to even deal with this subject.

    25. John Caden, Islamora says:

      Has there been any thought or movement to sue either Obama and/or the Congress for violating the 10th Amendment?

      The only way to prevent the socialization of the country is through the ballot box. Unfortunately, the next election is a year away. However, this move to the extreme left could be slowed down by challenging it in court, maybe buying time to the next election.

    26. J.C. Hughes, Texas says:

      For a generation or more, Congress has slowly lost sight of our founder's blueprint to create a free country. It seems elected officials simply parrot words these days when reciting their oath to uphold our nation's constitution. To show how short time really is, my wife's grandmother was born during the latter 1800s. She'd be absolutely confused and distraught by today's political landscape. As an anti-federalist independent, I do applaud Conn's article for highlighting this most needed message. My allegiance is first and foremost to the constitutionally sovereign state of Texas. This said, I took an oath to support the nation's constitution to protect the collective individual states from foreign and domestic enemies. I did not swear to back a nationalized socialist bureaucratic agenda. And I want to set something straight about Obama's "public option". Tri-Care is an employee provided benefit to individuals who served in the military. To compare Tri-Care to socialized medicine is an absolute insult at the very least. And I'm damned tired of hearing such trash talk.

    27. Renee Clark Roanoke says:

      I saw the lady on Fox news. She was great with her comments. And I agree with her. I sent a letter to our House Rep. Bob Goodlatte and expressed my concern'S as well. I also thanked him for doing what he feels is right instead of what might bring him personal gain and/or power. I plan to send a letter to Senator Jim Webb and Senator John Warner as well. I don't feel the same about their positions on issues, but they are due the respect of the position they hold although some members of Congress and the media are not giving law abidding, greatly concerned citizens the same respect. Thanks to you, Dick Morris, Fox news, Michael Steele, The National Republican Trust PAC, American Solutions and other truely great Americans who are striving to keep Ameria free and the great Nation of our forefathers.

    28. Ed Fresquez says:

      Just yesterday I was reading how we ended up with the Statue of Liberty and what it represented to the people coming to our country "FREEDOM". Those were the last words By Mel Gibson spoke in the movie Braveheart. They fought for their "FREEDOM", and our Townhall Meetings is the only way we can fight for our FREEDOM. To continue forward is prevent socialism.

    29. Bill, Texas says:

      Very good article. I've just this week become a subscriber. I began, early on, to see the effort to "dismantle" our democracy, the very essence of the American institution. Sadly, this has been allowed by the citizenry. Complacent and apathe-tic, many of us have not allowed ourselves to be informed about the candidates. The same compla-cency and apathy kept some from exercizing their

      right to vote. Yes, there were some carefully orchestrated obstacles. Maybe plan to cast an absentee ballot next time. Now, people are con-cerned enough to get involved. Great!

    30. Dale, Dallas says:

      Questions: If this Health Insurance Reform law is unconstitutional, who and how do we file suits to have judicial review? How are state rights being violated by all these federal laws?

    31. J.C. Hughes, Texas says:

      Keswick, VA, we're not France! If all of Europe had an efficient and workable health plan as you've promoted, then your comparison might make sense. But even then, it's not reality.

    32. Gee Vee, Chicago says:

      Grassroots Alert! I have a simple plan that will let the government know the breath and depth of how the American people feel. Its so simple that I hope that you pass it on to everyone you know. Here goes:

      Everytime the President, his staff, a Senator or Congressman tries to peddle Obamacare with their lies and misinformation, just send an email to flag@whitehouse.gov like they asked! It will let them know we are paying attention and we ain't buying! It hopefully will also discourage the so-called snitch patrols and get some truth into the debate.

    33. Marc Hickham says:

      This is the best article that I have read to date. If this country is to become great again we have to move away from mediocraty. We have to abandon the runaway train that our government has become and move back to the principals of the founding fathers and the guidelines as established by one historys great documents – the United States Constitution.

    34. JohnR, Michigan says:

      What many fail to realize is that many americans, primarily on the far Left, really don't believe in Democracy. There are the marxists, but I'm really referring to arrogant elitest intellectuals (Bill Maher is a good example) who have scathing contempt for the average american and believe only highly educated elites should wield political power. IMO many in the Democrat leadership secretly feel this way.

      I'm not saying there's a conspiracy, just that too many of our pols think we're too stupid to reason with and it's their duty to ram stuff down our throat for our own good.

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    36. Mike Sheahen, Hickor says:

      How many times and in how many ways must it be said?

      Yes, the more or less slow slide away from freedom and prosperity through free people and limited government, (which made the United States of America the one [1] unique exception it was in the history of the world), back down into the pit of government elitist and statist-ruled tyranny and bondage, is now indeed being so very quickly changed and rushed into a hell-bent dive back down into that pit.

      And yes, in fact, numerous things, including "TARP", the recent so-called "Stimulus (Porkulus) bill", the recent (U.S.) Federal government take-over of numerous businesses (including GM), the recent so-called "Omnibus (Earmarkulus) bill", and now, in so many ways more than ever before, the both historically and predictably ruinous and even deadly government take-over of every part of all of our lives through both our healtchare and healthcare system, are all glaring (or "shining", if you're a government elitist and statist) examples of such a government elitist and statist-driven and rushed dive.

      The bottom line is that especially in actual deed the antics and machinations of such so called "Progressive (Leftist)" government elitists and statists, including their own refusals to even read the pieces of legislation which they are in such a rush to impose upon us, and their now desperate false accusations and name-calling (such as "astoturf", "paid corporate shills", and "Swastika carrying NAZI's [when NAZI is a Socialist/Leftist acronym] against the majority of us, the people, who refuse to unquestioningly accept and surrender to their government power and money-grab which has practically nothing to do with health care and everything to do with more vote-buying power and money for them.

      Indeed what Alexis Detoquiville said is proving true: "The American Republic will endure until the politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money."

    37. Wayne Fowler, Albuqu says:

      We no longer have limited government. Imagine what life would be like if our national government would return to just managing external issues of state. They have no constitutional authority for education, welfare, health issues, internal commerce or any of a host of other issues. These are all personal matters or issues that are best addressed at the local level. With every bill that is passed, we are giving up our freedom. As for representative government, I have sent many emails discussing the issues to my congressman. I have yet to get any kind of reply that indicated he has even read them. Probably some office wonk prepared a form letter reply that does nothing more than reprint the talking points from his latest speech. Most replies don't even speak to the issues I raised. Now I see where attending a townhall meeting doesn't seem to work either. I really don't think these so called representatives have a clue. They are not responding to the individual citizen, but only to whatever interest group can generate some clout. Like Katy Abrams said, we are a sleeping giant. This may be our last chance to awaken and do something about our national government. But it's going to take all of us working together to bring this government of ours around to the idea of limited government.

    38. cookie corej- michig says:

      It is refreshing to see that each day there are more comments then the previous day. We need to take our country back while we still can.

      I need assistance from concerned patriots in every state. We need to get a referendum on the ballot of each state calling for an end of UNFUNDED MANDATES TO THE STATES.

      We need to reform the healthcare benefits and retirement benefits of our elected officals. They need to be voted on by the electorate not the RECIPIENTS.

      Additionally we need to do a complete sweep of our elected senators and representative who ARE NOT REPRESENTING US and don't want to hear from us.

      I could go on but I can come back tomorrow with some new thoughts.

    39. Robert Ivy, Dawsonvi says:

      The pirannah is a small fish with a lot of teeth. When you get a swarm of these monsters together they can strip a carcass in minutes.

      That's what our Congressional delegates, not all, but most are like. They get a taste of power and money and they are heady with greed and glutanny. It is contageous and needs to be treated with strong medicine.

      A new broom sweeps clean and also is used for discipline. That's what needs to be applied to Congress. Limit terms, and get rid of those greedy, power grabbing members as the elections roll around; and in that order. Make your voice heard at your level.

    40. Lynn B. DeSpain says:

      In a word, "No."

      Hozro

    41. Whicket Williams Kin says:

      We need to change the way we vote. We must make people understand what they are doing when they vote. Make every voter take a test. If they fail, no vote. If we do not fire at least 50% of our elected reps at the next election, freedom is finished in the world.

    42. Whicket Williams Kin says:

      "Never re-elect an Incumbent" ANY incumbent. Do not buy the Us vs Them lie.

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    45. Harry, Illinois says:

      The bill begins by stating that it's purpose is "to provide affordable quality health care for all americans and reduce the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes."

      This is nothing but typical buracratic B.S. If this was truly a Health Care Package, they would not have added "and for other purposes" as a part of its definition. It's either a Health Care package or it's not. That's like a kid telling his parents that he is going out but will not tell them where.

      This is a 1017 page document folks that looks like a well crafted spider web weaving in and out and all around. Once you get in, you never get out. The spider aka: big government has you in it's clutches.

      It's nothing but a disguised Stimulus to increase government spending in one way or another. As the old saying goes, there is no such thing as a free lunch.

      They talk about waste in the current Medicare and Medicade programs yet they do nothing to put an end to it. The program is so big that it is going to take at least 2-5 years to implement. Hopefully by then, I will be in the good graces of our Maker.

      If you have a complicated health issue, it will probably have to go before congress to determine if you qualify for any assistance.

      Don't forget to vote in the next election. Power to the voters. Together we can make a change. A change that we can ALL LIVE WITH.

    46. Roger S., Ma. says:

      “Jeff, Florida”: Love your letter, also your update on legislation passed in Oklahoma. Been grinning ear to ear ever since. YES: Those are the ideals worth living for, and the proper way to implement them in law. Thank you!

      “Wayne.., SC”: YES, our country was designed as a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy, a fact that the Columbia U “PoliSci” program either didn’t teach the current WH incumbent, or it was a lecture he skipped — maybe because he was too busy “community-organizing”? Sadly, his time at Harvard Law didn’t improve matters !

      The difference is simple: “Republic” stands for the state as the principal unit of sovereignty and governance of public discourse in a given geographic region — from Latin: “Res Publica”, literally “Things (of the) State” — in our case governing and and its powers limited according to provisions and procedures in our Constitution. Thus, our Constitutional Republic is properly defined principally by its “Rule of Laws, Not of Men”. A Democracy is, by contrast, its opposite: it is principally defined by its “Rule of Men” superimposed upon or originating any rule of law without any essential limiting principle except for the “majority rule”. (Whether the “rule of men” be a monarchy, one man – king, an oligarchy – several men, a closed clique, or a democracy – simple majority rule, does not alter this essential principle.) In a democracy, the individual has only those rights which the state — essentially governed by “mob rule” — grants him. These can change any time with short notice. In a Constitutional Republic, the state’s rights are defined well in advance and once defined, not easily altered, leaving all other rights to the individual and thus relatively free from government interference. The Constitution is designed to be the individual’s protection from governmental overreach, no matter how loudly a vocal minority, or even a majority, might scream for measures enabling it.

      Some confusion is understandable and probably shared by many, arising from the obvious employment by both types of government of a voting process by the state’s citizens in order to facilitate resolution of conflicting desires when enacting legislation. “One person, one vote” and “majority wins” is the simplest means to arrive at a resolution; the lowest common denominator calculated to resolve and end — temporarily — debates. The difference between a “pure democracy” and a “constitutional republic” is that the latter contains additional safeguards against the potentially “running amok” of the "democratic will", namely said Constitutional provisions against the overreach by government power through "majority rule". The "left", screaming "democracy", has never properly understood this.

      So, Lee from Tampa:

      NO, this is not a joke. You voted for “nationalized health care” ? Good for you! Trouble is, your rights end where they interfere with mine as defined in the Constitution! That’s what it's all about: it’s there to protect us from each other when either of us or our government should make improper demands! Health care being a product like any other, like food, like shelter, somebody must create it and has a right to be compensated for his effort. Among free men, that means voluntary trade, not the coercion of a slave by his master!

      Sure, we want our troops home from pointless wars. Here we agree. In fact, I hope that our troops shall never again be sent out to engage in pointless warfare. But, what is pointless warfare? Many things, I’m sure, but the most pointless of all is when they are sent out and not allowed to win, when they are told to build schools and hospitals before the land is secured! When enemies attack us, we have the right to defend ourselves until they are no longer threatening. Only then may come the time to “make friends” with former foes who have given up on the idea of robbing us. The quickest way to end a war, therefore, and also the least costly, is to really win it! Again, that's what the Constitution is about when it defines the powers of our Federal Government to include "providing for the common defense."

      Separation of church and state? Absolutely ! You didn’t need to vote for it; it’s in our Constitution already, but with a catch. The 1st Amendment states: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof….” Been there since 1791, for good reason. The Founding Fathers had had some bad experiences with a King, and the Church of England. They didn't want a repeat. This doesn't preclude the good folks of, say, the state of Alabama, from considering the 10 Commandments to be a valuable guide to common morality, nor from deciding to have a replica of those stone tablets displayed in their State Capitol's rotunda. Should they decide, however, that, say, Presbyterians were to be banned from the state, they would be violating the 14th Amendment, which guarantees equal protection under the law. So, separation, yes, but nothing is perfect.

      Think about it: Our Constitution is one unique and irreplaceable and ingenious piece of work designed to provide for government oversight without undue interference in individual lives. Each time it has been violated in the past two centuries, be that from ignorance, sloth, stupidity, improper ambition, greed, or plain carelessness, it has hurt all of us. That’s the "fire" of the idea of a Constitutional Republic to which we must hold our Representatives’ feet, as well as the feet of that ambitious ignoramus in the WH !

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    48. Patriot Cat says:

      So, I'm right? We don't have a viable Constitution any more, do we? It's been abrogated…a relic of a truly wonderful vision and life…nullified by the leadership we elected of our own free will. It's why Obama has sent me two unsolicited emails; it's why they are proposing to electronically debit our personal banking accounts; it's why Fox News has been megamarketing gold…I'm right, aren't I? Too soon asleep; too late awake.

    49. Patriot Cat says:

      Does anyone know about this newest czar that is supposed to be deleting conservative radio shows by mandating the payment of a license equal to the cost of production by any conservative radio station? Is this true?

    50. Patriot Cat says:

      To my knowledge, there has not been one word to challenge Obama's authority which came about due to the Bush Admin's bail out in Sept. There's the little problem of precedent. Another annoying thing is that I asked an aide to a senator the other day (I do this thing, I call or email nearly every week and weekend all the US Senators and House members…and, yes, at the moment I have a job…I truly don't know for how long)..anyway, I asked this aide if the US Constitution has been abrogated and wondered if there is any reason to think that it is of no value any more. He didn't reply. Silence. He didn't reply.

    51. Alice, New Jersey says:

      First–I don't want my doctor practicing law /Nor do I want my lawyer practicing medicine–this is basic. They are are setting this up into a legal disaster that you will have to pay a fortune to streighten out. Will you guys get to the basics instead of emotions–let's work with facts & help folks — giving them practical information–that they can use to fight this disaster. Help this cause.

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    53. john smith says:

      Straight up I see no affinity of Obama for America. ….If you spend 20 years listening to a presacher that said "Hate America" and "Gawl Dern America." It's gotta have some kind of slant on your perspective.

    54. Patti, Las Vegas says:

      "…a type of government that our Constitution was specifically designed to prevent." This says so much about what is happening today.

      Today's glib promises to everyone of free or almost free high quality medical, energy, etc. is that IT IS TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE. Citizens (and illegal immigrants) already believe they should receive the best of the best with little to no effort on their part. The fact is that we all have a personal responsibility to SAVE for a rainy day; to budget our monthly spending, etc.

      I do believe that some citizens should receive more help from taxpayers — BUT, and a big BUT, is that taxpayers can't pay for everything (medical care, energy, housing, food).

      Two quotes I'm fond of: "The government can afford it." (Laura Tyson). "The only thing wrong with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." (Margaret Thatcher). Which one do you believe?

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    56. OPAS says:

      Wayne Middleton – Greenville, SC writes

      Our founders described our system of government as a “Republic.” In fact, everyone who has ever repeated the Pledge of Allegiance to our Flag understands the pledge is made to the “Republic” for which it stands.

      Apparently most people do not understand this – not even our elected representatives.

      You did fine until you made excuses for "them". We are IN TROUBLE!

      Until everyone realizes that "THEY" DO UNDERSTAND what they are doing, – EVERYTHING "THEY" DO is calculated towards the destruction of OUR America and EVERY action on "THEIR" part is DELIBERATE.

      STOP saying "They DON'T GET IT", you are the one's that DON'T GET IT that those are very intelligent people that rely on your stupidity.

      They don't care what you say as long as you keep voting them back in.

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    58. Dennis A. Social Cie says:

      We the dumb lead by the ignorant have become the land of sheep, and obama is the chief wolf with pelosi and reid as follow ups. If we do not wake up now this country is gone, obam has been pushing us toward total "guvernment" dependence sicne before the election, and many have been spoon fed the BS, and liked it. Well they need to take a deep breath ans smell the stink of socialism, narxism, communism, or any other ism that you can think of. I guess pelosi will label me as un-American, a nazi, a communist, or even a member of the Klan. Well I can assure you I am none of the above, and most definitely not a dem, yes pelosi,reid, obama and the rest have insured that I will never vote for another democrat again.

    59. ella,n.c. says:

      No obama health care,this would be a disaster for us all.I talk to a lot of people about it.I explained this would not work for us.Vote all of them out.Thank you heritage for letting us voice our opinions on here.Thank you sean h.sara p,glenn beck,mitt romney and many more who help us see the right or wrong of the evil doeRS.No obama.

    60. Valerie, IL says:

      As long as we're talking about voting practices, how about reinstating ONE DAY for voting (allowing for absentee voting, however) and a ONE DAY, national primary?? It was ridiculous last year as candidates fell to the wayside after primary votes had been cast and before the partys' conventions.

      I agree most with the Margaret Thatcher quote!

    61. frankz, brewster, ny says:

      From the comments contained herein, I'm so happy that Americans are standing up for this Obama madness. VOTE the incumbents out of office each election and then we can reverse whatever Obama madness mandates. He is as out of touch with America regarding health coverage as Bush was with his social security fantasy. We need less government, not more and WE must stop expecting things for nothing; the more we expect, the less we going to get in the long run. The politicians think we are sheep to be sheared at will; let's show them they're out of touch with us.

    62. Linda in TEXAS says:

      As from the very beginning, when this stimulus plan was RUSHED through to "save" jobs, make new ones and all the other bull they layed onto the American public, I said it was nothing more than payback to those who put obama in office. We now know this is more than likely true since they can't "find" where all that money went to. Believe me, they know EXACTLY where all that money went…they just don't want US to know where it went! We already know that MILLIONS went to ACORN…now you tell ME what ACORN has to do with making jobs? Hiring more people to commit FRAUD at the voting booths and pass out propaganda! This is to insure that the demos and obama stay in office to completely WRECK this Country!

    63. Bob, Portland, OR says:

      Just the facts. Obama is intentionally stalling economic recovery in our country to create instability. He must have distractions from what is really going on to move through his ideology.

      Case in point. He says he is for minorities and "common" people. Why then in Southern Califormina is he putting 40,000 Mexican Americans out of work in the almond industry to save 4 inch mino's?

      Is this envionmental activism or is this an attempt to cause some type of civil unrest with the people there?

      If there is civil unrest, he can declare laws that eliminate our rights as citizens.

      By the way, so far all of the violence in the town hall meetings has been originated by Acorn and SCIU thugs.

      We must remain calm.

    64. Roy Reed, Las Vegas says:

      We do not TRUST Obama at all. He is just trying to control all of us..He can talk all he wants, but it boils down to CONTROL. TRY AS HE MIGHT, WE DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING HE SAYS!!!! He will try anyway he can to get what he wants. He is the the one that is UN-AMERICAN IN OUR COUNTRY!! We think people are beginning to see him for what he really is, a man of untruths and one who wants to dominate all of the people in the US. He is getting to cozy with these foreign countries….. It is obvious he hates this country. Why can't we vote in someone who is really smart, instead of an idiot who can only lie! You know, he has made his million or more just being voted in as the president. He and his family have it made!!

    65. Bruce Warwick, Winsl says:

      Our Country is not failing. Our Constitution is in tact. Our freedoms are remaining the same as they have always been.

      Parinoid citizens are not what we are about as a Country. They see everything the government does as a huge consipracy to take away our liberty, when that is not the case at all. Names given to the actions of the government (Capatalism, Socialism, Representative Republic, Democracy, etc.) does not make them true.

      We have been, for some time now, what would be called a Socialist Democracy. Individuals and the government control the generation of wealth for the country as a whole. The same people complaining about socialism will collect their Social Security checks, take advantage of Medicare, will want the government to pay them their private retirement if their employer goes under and cannot do so, will accept Medicade if they were unable to work or pay for their own insurance, and the list goes on. But, for some reason, don't want't the insurance companies, who have been taking advantage of them, to be regulated or to have to compete (in a small way) with a general government option insurance plan.

      The cost is really the only issue, not anything else concerning this Health Care Reform Bill (draft, since there is no final bill as of yet).

      Why dn't we all back off and see what the final bill looks like before jumpping off a cliff and predicting doom and gloom.

    66. Roy Reed, Las Vegas says:

      We really believe Obama is all about getting even. It has nothing to do with helping ANYONE, not even the poor. Seems quite obvious. If he and all those so called democrats were worried about people they would be working with the Republicans to figure out a way to get us out of this mess. Obama is just worried that this bill won't get passed so he can say "Look what I did?" . We don't want to live under his leadership" Communism is not what we stand for!! We are tired of his lies…. Cant't they understand NO,NO,NO,??? SEEMS AS THOUGH THE GOVERNMENT IS GETTING CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER THEY WILL GET VOTED IN OR NOT, REALLY HOPE SO!!!

    67. Ken St Louis says:

      You know, it doesn't make any difference at this point who you voted for. We have a government that is so out of control, self serving, thieves, and a few idiots that I only see one solution. Its imperative if our union is to survive, to reconstruct it. The only way to do that is for enough conservative states to SECEDE from what was a union of states, but is now just a gathering of incompetents in washington at best, and enemies of our /what once was our democracy? Send letters, emails, and phone your state representatives, and your federal representatives. Lets take back AMERICA!

    68. John Pummell, Alexan says:

      I'm wondering if this proposed "Health Choices Commissioner" is just another one of President Obama's unelected "csars" who will be granted broad power to control our health care funding. I think there should be an investigation by the House and Senate to see if the creation of these "csars" is constitutional–and, if not, put an end to the practice.

    69. Ron, Derry NH says:

      I'm pretty sure most people are seeing and grasping the enormity of the error of allowing Pelosi, Reid and Obama to ram socialisms curse upon America and trounce the once proud constitution into oblivion, setting in motion the erasing of future freedoms and liberties….but it is too late.

      Wisdom not acted upon to prevent calamity is just another 200% victim like hindsight is.

      The patriots that have sat back and watched the socialist burden each generation with costs brought on by ineptitude and government mandated waste have allowed the Dems to steam roll themselves into power and are not going to give this country back.

      The next 4 years are going to be filled with pain and sorrow and further government control and intervention as the money dries up from government mandated solutions that bring more waste, more ineptitude and more oppressive socialist ideals.

      Do remember we lived the good old days and Obama,Pelosi and Reid ushered in these, with the help of the infinitely simplistic predecessor.

      More to blame are the two houses filled with democrat socialists that have been pushing this agenda for over 40 years and are showing us their arrogance by supporting more socialism to take over more and more freedom of enterprise and independent self worth at the expense of what used to be sacrid constitutionally honored ways of life.

    70. Eileen Currie says:

      If financial issues regarding health care is such a concern to Congress and the President, where is the legislation to limit malpractice settlements? How many times do doctors feel they are pressured to conduct extra tests just to be certain that if sued they can prove that they did everything possible for their patients.

    71. Tom Williams, Prince says:

      It all started with income tax and then followed by social security. With this new found money, the power was shifted from the local level to the federal government. Money = Power. Until we undo these two things, no change will ever happen. To change those two things, we must throw out all polititans in Washington and start over with true patriots.

    72. Vince Rinchiuso,Texa says:

      The People in Washington are there only to represent US and that is the only reason they are there.Not to be our caretakers or Kings.IT SEEMS LIKE THEY KISS THE PEOPLES BEHIND TO GET ELECTED AND ONCE ELECTED THEY THEN MAKE LITTLE CARDBOARD CROWNS FOR THEMSELVES AND BECOME OUR OWNERS.THEY WERE VOTED IN AND CAN STILL BE VOTED OUT.The People are the Government and our representatives in Washington are just that-REPRESENTATIVES.When are they going to wake up and realise that without the people they have nothing at all ?

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    74. Louis L Cesar F Levy says:

      Why some at least in every sphere of this country do not AWAKEN and ACT against this tearing it down? I mean even Obama and his administration are not AWARE of the true ENEMY lurking behind the implicite and INCITING us, ALL OF US to FIGHT EACH OTHER,divide and destroy? WAKE-UP AMERICA AND SAY NO TO YOUR DEMISE.

    75. Louis L Cesar F Levy says:

      What should be done to stop this chute must be a National concern

    76. Tom McClure, Tucson, says:

      For rtwagaman(08/14/09)

      There is a bi-partisan medical care bill in the Congress. The Healthy Americans Act (S.334) or, if you want, the Wyden-Bennett Bill. It has 5 Republican and 7 Democrat co-sponsers. CBO has already scored the bill as deficiet neutral. The Bill transitions from an employer based medical care system to private ownership system over a number of years.

    77. kevin huntsville, al says:

      re: HR 3200

      hoping that the brain trust at heritage will be able to research/answer a question that i've yet to hear in media circles.

      the beauracracy the dems would create to "manage" health care as contained in the 1000 page bill …( including a 'public option' ) would entail how many new government employees and at what cost to the taxpayer?

    78. S. Burris NM says:

      The government should take a good lesson from the citizens, especially the elderly, on how to conserve. The government reminds me of the young couples shopping in WalMart with multiple children – instead of necessities, the cart(s) are loaded with junk food, toys, etc. Unfortunately, these younger citizens have learned their economics from a government that is being run by people who have wealth, no worries, etc. We need to boot them OUT and put in citizens who KNOW what it is to economize. Most in congress, et al, are all wealthy OR have wealthy spouses… nice trick but not exactly a pattern for running the country.

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    80. Edward Jarrett Granb says:

      checkpoimt funding questioned.Laredo,Tx were 55000 people and 4200 trucks pass daily was passed over.A little town Whitetail. Mont.sees about 3 travelers a day and received about 15 million., Our money is not beening spent wisely.

    81. robert sargent sr.we says:

      being from new jersey i know all about corruption.the way i see it is the democratic government is so dishonest,and as glen beck said,its not about the parties,its about the people.these congressmen and senate must be voted out of office to get honest men and women to save the constitution,the country,dna our way of life.the marxist in our government are so arrgant,and their not hiding what they want for the country.and my congressman rob andrews is saying nothing.someone must show these marxist that they spit on the constitution.my congressman is looking the other way.obama and his goones will lose to the people and the values we live by.

    82. Bill Tulsa, Oklah says:

      It's simply amazing to me that "our" elected representatives are willing to openly ignore what the people they are supposed to be representing want! Refusing to either listen at town hall meetings or refusing to hold them at all should signal people to vote them out of office or even initiate a recall vote! These representatives of ours are being used by these socialists (Obama) to destroy our country and we have to stop them by contacting them and expressing what we want, then vote them out if they don't do it!

      Unfortunately a large number of voters wouldn't listen during this past election. They actually believed what they were being told by the liberals and the liberal media and didn't understand the consequences of their vote. Well now we're seeing it and it's socialism! My biggest fear is that Obama and the Democrats will pull our country down before we can get them out of office!

    83. LeRoy Diem, Durango, says:

      I really appreciate the Foundation's Morning Bell update, but someone is forgeting to update the "print" link at the bottom of the page

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    85. W. S. Geralad Skey, says:

      I am sure that the economy is more complex than the way I see it, but is it not self evident that if the Government takes more money from an employer, that employer will have less money to spend on employees? If I am correct – how can I not be correct? – then does it not follow that the less money a company has to employ people, the less people the company will emply? And if this is a basic and accurate concept, why on earth would anyone think that we, as a country, can lower the unemployment rate when corporate taxes and health care burdens serve only to decrease the money available to hire employees? Why is it any more complex than that?

      Oh, I forgot about the stimulus plan. The cash for clunkers looked great for the 2 or 3 months it operated. But let's see what happens when these bells and whistles cease to exist.

      Gerry Skey

    86. W. S. Geralad Skey, says:

      I have been thinking about where does it all end. Our Constitution sets forth certain inalienable rights and they are limited. The Constitution, in general, contains restraints on what role Government should play in our world. There are other principles that are generally accepted to be true such as "self reliance" and "responsibility". In a truly inhumane society, this would mean that we would have no safety net for those in need. but we do have and have had those safety nets from Social Security to Welfare to Section 8 housing to Foodstamps to School Lunches and, in certain areas, School Breakfasts. The list is endless and the so-called "need" equally without limits. But this fact does not stop politicians from finding other "needs" and once found, it becomes a short trip to becoming a governmentally provided benefit. As I say, where does it stop? Of course, the answer is that it will never stop. There is no incentive to stop. Every person who benefits from a new handout is a voter and that voter is never going to bite the hand that feeds. I am, personally, sick and tired of hearing about people "in need". Everyone has needs and everyone has choces and everyone has opportunities and everyone can choose to become self reliant and responsible for him/herself. Uh-oh – there was are full circle and oh my good my gosh my golly, what a novel thought – that someone should be self reliant and responsible – that just has to be an awfully old concept.

      Gerry Skey

    87. Betty Huyssoon, West says:

      I have a question in the back of my mind, and it stays there to haunt me. I read all the comments, and wonder. Is it possible that the final blow to destroy this great country is to abolish the Constitution as it stands, incorporate a newer version, abolishing representation by public vote, putting in the famous Czars (as they call them) to dictatorially run this Nation, and as is Russia, China, North Korea, Cuba, now Venezuela (among the more recognized) nations, control the people, their destinies, and create power by tyranical rule? Is this the plan and desire of those involved in changing our dear country? It is such a big question, I know…I cannot help but have it on the tip of my tongue, and I believe that Rush has a similar idea. Is there any way to find out? What can we do? I pray to God for guidance for all of us who cherish our Freedoms, our right for Choice, and our right for having Opportunity. Gods blessings on all who wish to receive them.

    88. Del Godinez, Miami, says:

      I wonder if when they count the unemployed they take into account those individuals who have already met all of their benefits…that is they are no longer receiving any money, or are they just counting those still getting checks and newly unemployed? If this is the case the percentage of unemployment must be in in the 20 percentile range.

    89. shannon GA says:

      The numbers and sats. are only ammo, but we all know this is all about a total shift of power to the Federal government. These town hall meetings would be better served if the people would just say "We know what you are up to". The subject is not about jobs or health care it is about tricking AMERICANS in to giving up their freedom.

    90. Bob Veigel, Arlingto says:

      Obama is not consistent with anything American. He is probably one of the most disingenuous persons, ever. He is a liberal and close to the beliefs of communism and fascism. He is a liar, is angry, hates America and what it stands for and is leading this Nation down a path to disaster.

    91. Lisa Gates, Mesquite says:

      I call for President Obama's Resignation! Doing away w/ The First Amendment rights IS ILLEGAL!!! Are we going to wait until he changes America into a Communistic and Socialistic Nation. Go back to the Constitution Of United States! The way it was meant to be… for everyone, no matter what race, nationality, creed, or religion! Call for it before it is too late!

    92. Marsha Wesbrooks, Fo says:

      I think what we are all learning is that the Obama Administration does not care what we want.

    93. FRED P. BOTZ - VIENN says:

      IF WE EVEN NEED A HEALTH CARE BILL..CONGRESS COULD LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE….BUT IF THEY REALLY NEED A BILL……

      IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE A THOUSAND PAGES, THAT MOST CANNOT UNDERSTAND.

      JUST BULLET ITEMS. WHAT IS COVERED AND WHAT IS NOT COVERED. AND WHO PAYS.

      LEAVE OUT THE LEGAL LANGUAGE…AS THE INDIANS WOULD SAY, CONGRESS SPEAKS WITH A FORK TONGUE.

      THE NUMBER WHO ARE ACTUALLY NOT COVERED OR DO NOT WANT TO BE COVERED, IS ACTUALLY QUITE SMALL…LIKE ABOUT 8 TO 10 PERCENT..NOT NOT THE 47% WE HEAR ABOUT.

    94. Donna - Virginia says:

      I don't quite understand what is meant by this:

      "Level the playing field for people who can’t afford coverage by making the tax treatment of health insurance fairer for them. By giving tax breaks for health insurance similar to those enjoyed at the place of work, Americans will be able to buy and own affordable coverage. In addition, instead of expanding Medicaid, offer assistance to lower-income families with subsidies offset by existing spending."

      Not so much for giving "tax treatment," that I understand and do think may work.

      What I don't understand is "instead of expanding Medicaid, offer assistance to lower-income families with subsidies offset by existing spending."

      I am on SS Disability and covered by Medicare A&B, and Medicaid, and pay a small co-pay for prescriptions and visits to my doctors.

      What I think should be done for those who fall between the crack between eligibility for Medicaid and affordable health care is to include an income scale-pay addition to Medicaid.

      I know one of our hospitals (MCV) has a program like that for those who do not qualify for Medicaid but have no health care coverage. But, that's only for the use of MCV facilities. I think such should be available on a national level for those who cannot afford health care coverage. That way people can go to the nearest hospital for emergency care or other medical facilities without worry about being unable to pay.

      What MCV does with this program is charge according to level of income. I think Medicaid should offer health care coverage in the same manner to those that, unlike me, do not qualify for Medicaid. That would "expand" Medicaid, so to speak, but, still would help the uninsured.

      I also totally agree that we definitely need Tort reform on mal-practice. Even though the "costs" only show 1%, there are hidden factors: such increases the cost of malpractice premiums, which increases health care expenses for insurance companies and those insured. I also think we should highly limit these calls for "class action" suits against pharmaceutical companies that we see all over the media ads.

      All that does is line the pockets of lawyers and cause the prices of other medications to go up for the consumer.

      Doctors are but human, and mistakes ARE made, but, unless there is undeniable evidence of carelessness (being intoxicated while performing treatment) or intent to harm I see no reason why a doctor should be sued.

      Nor do I believe pharmaceutical companies should be held responsible (other than recall for contaminated drugs) for "reactions" to their drugs that are approved by the FDA.

    95. Linda Carlsbad, CA says:

      Well he has taken over the car companies, destroyed the lives of car dealers. Taken over the banks, the banks have bought up the mortgage companies, car insurance companies, homeowner insurance companies, etc. He has taken over all the loans for college, destroying all the lives of the private people who were involved in the loans. He is basically taking over our economey and putting it in the hands of a few powerfull people in Washington. That is why the private sector is dieing and government is growing! Now he wants to take over our health care, everyone would be working for the government. America will change forever to socialism, if people in Congress don't wake up and see, it will be their job next. The czars will take their jobs!

    96. Deborah Grace, New P says:

      I am a former newspaper reporter and very disheartened about the lack of journalism ethics in the media today. We need to pray to God to raise up more Christian journalists willing to stand up for unbiased and objective reporting. I also wish there were some conservative investors out there who would start up, or buy some of the newspapers for sale around the country. I know there are conservative newspapers, but they are few and far between. We need more of them.

    97. American Miles, USA says:

      I totally agree with John J – I will never understand how fruit loop liberals want to take away the very freedom of speaking their mind and hating their country and turn it into a military state to where they can't speak their mind and hate their country. There are so many to choose from. The sandy beaches of North Korea, or the snow capped mountains of Russia, or hey you can eat all the chinese you want in china, just can't complain about the service. Go on over to one of those countries if you're so bent on being controlled and oppressed. They will be more than happy to take your hard earned money and keep you at arm's length.But true Americans, in the United States of America, we love our country, our freedom, our God and our flag. We'll keep our guns and we'll keep our voice. Don't like it? One way passports don't cost that much. If not, we can always fall back to John's plan, divide up the country and see who comes whining for help first. Letfreedomringnow.com

    98. Carlos R. Arvizu Sr. says:

      The problems were facing today such as jobs, the economy, the housing market, an national security far outweigh the President of the United States desire to pass a bogus health care package down our throats, especially the 1000 plus pages of garbage. and to expect the American public to buy into this, is an outright fraud against every hard working American.

      The Senator from South Caroina was absoultely right when he called President Obama a Liar. Illegal aliens will be entitle to use health care under a 1983 ruling.

      This is really a joke, when you have the trial lawyers lobbist, Insurance companies lobbist and self serving politicians writting all the crap in this latest bill that they are trying to shove down our throats. Greed and corruption.

      And I am a Democrat.

    99. ccook,florence,sc says:

      I'm very concerned about the President siding with our enemies instead of our allies,hiring all of these marxist,communist,extreme environmentalist.etc. with tax payer dollars,and making us practically defenseless.But most disturbing is the fact that he does not believe that Jesus is the only way to get to heaven and that is what this country was founded on.

    100. jim smith says:

      Just by the number of posts here today you know Nobama aint the guy, not by a thousand miles. Six months ago I said in this space that he was dangerous and needed to be stopped now. The only thing that has changed is that now has arrived, right before the whole world at the U.N.

    101. Harry, Illinois says:

      Don't the TERRORIST know, that "U DON'T MESS WITH JOE."?

    102. NADIA QUINTERO - TEX says:

      Most feel that this is a battle against the power of the parties, however, the true battle lies within our own country due to ignorance.

      In reading Chavez's irrelevant speech at the UN the only part that stood out was Chavez challenging Obama to be brave and come out of the CLOSET….Yes! that is right, THE socialist closet! He invited Obama to unite with the rest of most Latin American socialist, Qaddafi, Ahmadinejad etc.etc…. Unfortunately creepy as it sounds Obama is reaching out and shaking the hands of the genocide creeps and hand delivering our hard earned money to the middle east countries to aid the needy in countries that HATE the USA. How ironic is that. Should we apologize for that too?

      What is Pelosi and company hiding in the closet? Why are we not investing more to explore our national resources and putting all the money we send for foreign aid towards revitalising our economy…. perhaps the famous healthcare?

      It is true that in America everything is forgiven and forgotten with two words…. I'm sorry~~

    103. Mad-andy, Missouri says:

      Like the Roman Empire of old, we have Broken up the world's fights, Fed the starving, and provided means and manpower in time of need.

      Like the Roman Empire of old, we have decayed from the inside due to politicians who consider their needs ahead of the people who elected them to office.

      Like the Roman Empire of old, we are withdrawing our foot from the neck of upstarts and tyrants so they may ply their evil trades again.

      Now, comes the dark age when the world will burn once more.

      God help us all.

    104. Ken-Santa Barbara says:

      Nice thing about elections….They reflect the will of the prevailing tide of thought, beliefs, direction and morals. The downside is that patriots call out other patriots and the methodology of progress by voting is lost by hatred of having to give up what was for the moment the prevailing tide.

      Don't think that from a pen, pencil or keyboard that you can tell someone they have to leave, or give up their hopes, because you can't have what you want or you don't think they know as much as you. The immaturity of Love it or Leave it not going to bring you your cake.

      I have finally learned to accept what this e-rag brings to the fabric of a free thinking society and maybe we deserve it…..

      RIP ……..William Safire

    105. Richard Cancemi, Arl says:

      Politicians are so full of a sense of self-importance that they seem to believe that having been elected, they now have become omniscient. For the most part, they prove themselves to be examples of incompetents whose only talent is the gift of gab.

      To allow politicians to run a war, is to insure failure; look at recent history.

      If politicians get us into a war, then they should have enough sense to allow Generals to run it! For Obama to listen to Joe Biden is ridiculous; the man is a perfect example of a lack of common sense! But then again, Obama is all nonsense, himself!

      Our Founding Fathers, who showed such great wisdom, are denigrated today by pompous political peacocks who have all reached their personal levels of incompetency.

    106. Ron Homan Dumfries, says:

      It isn't only about Afghanistan, the biggest worry is if the Taliban gets their hands on the Nukes in Pakistan. We damn sure better be ready to counter that move, and maybe the best approach is to keep the Taliban occupied in the 7th century culture in Afghanistan until they are no longer a danger in Pakistan.

    107. Lynn B. DeSpain says:

      Next year Webster's Dictonary will have another new word; "Obama, One who explains that what you heard was not what he said, or meant."

    108. Judy Moody, GA says:

      It seems odd to me that "the pres" can take his time deciding about whether or not to send troops to Afghanistan but we have to rush a cap and tax bill and a health care bill through congress because the country will fall apart if we don't. And if Iran decides to drop a nuke on Chicago his trip to try and get the Olympics there will be for nothing.

    109. James Green, NM says:

      Dear Sirs: This is old news, but Gen. McChrystal was on 20-20 (I think), stating he is on the ground with his troops, with minium special forces in the backgroung, going around and talking with the shop keepers, teachers with no guns or tactical gear showing. He is finding people like us there to help protect them from the kidnappenings. He is rethinking our strageties, but does need more troops on the ground. General McChrystal requested more troops Aug. 30, 2009. What the hell is 'O' waiting for? He is the one whom appointed Mcchrystal – does he not believe him? Get the friggen troops over there!

    110. Diana the MO Ozarks says:

      When you tie the hands behind the backs of the Commanders on the ground and politize a war, every one loses. Obama needs to quit trying to mesmarize his swooning fans and get off of the campaign trail wagon and be THE UNITES STATES OF AMERICA leader of what used to be the free world. We are fast becoming the laughing stocks of the world, because this man does not know hardly anything, must less being Presidental.

      If we pull out of Afghanistan or even if we stay, our troops need the support of a surge and support on the home front. Our beloved troops that have been lost, shall not die in vein…that is what will happen if we do not stay the course and make that course 'rock solid and heart strong'. We need to fight the war and then come home, not before then. The whole world will suffer if we are defeated or if we pull out before our missions are complete.

      Get Washington out of and off of the battlefield and let our troops do what they have been trained to do.

      God bless America always and keep a hedge of protection around our troops.

    111. Diana the MO Ozarks says:

      Apologies for some of my misspelled words in my previous post..should of proof read 1st ;o)

    112. Norm,Christiansburg, says:

      I cannot believe anyone, with half a brain (Barack Obama), would allow a man without a brain (Joe Biden), to make any decisions regarding the military or the ultimate safety of the citizens of this great country.

      Joe Bidens #1 priority is Joe Biden. How he looks in the mirror so he can impress the 70 something Democratic women of this country. "Smile, Joe, so we can see your pearly whites".

      He is not only an embarrasment to this administration, but also to (repeat) this "great country of OURS".

    113. Maggie Braccia, MA says:

      Is this upcoming war winnable? Yes. Has this President served in the Armed Forces?

      If not, he needs sure,highly discerning men–former generals etc; a lot of savvy in the terrain.Meticulous and methodical mindsets, who can distinctly and instinctly stratagize an operative. I believe he should pull some of those troops. He needs groundcover for sure. He needs someone like a MacArthur or Montegomery. In the strategy will come the win. The mindset has to be committed to be winnable without doubting.

    114. jim toledo says:

      We are at a crossroads in present time; we either do what needs to be done today or we will suffer tomorrow, it's that simple. We need to stop trying to liberalize the U.S.A. and start developing a strategy to get the job market going and to kick start the economy. Regarding our security we need to take a firm stand and recognize there are lots of people who want to do us harm. We need to do whatever it takes to help Israel survive. So, let's just knock off the dumb stuff that isn't going to matter tomorrow if we don't get a couple of simple things straight today.

    115. Whicket Williams Kin says:

      Without God, there is nothing. Everything is based on God, His instructions to us, and our obeying them. When the liberals succeed in removing God, there is nothing left. That Is why he is under constant attack. You will notice, ONLY Christianity is under attack, none of the other so-called religions are attacked. The reason for this is abundantly clear. Jesus is LORD. He, and He alone can save us. If we abandon him, we are finished.Pray, Pray, Pray. And then Pray some more. God IS in charge. And he is listening.

    116. Whicket Williams Kin says:

      I would like to see the people at a town hall meeting Ignore the career politician on the scene, and get together and elect a person of Their choosing to replace the career politician. On the spot. AND make it stick

    117. Donald S Modaro Tucs says:

      michael moore campaigning against a dem will serve as a lightning rod for the rallying of conservatives (notice I didn't say republican)to elect a pro constitution, anti- big government candidate!

    118. Sherry, Okemah, OK says:

      The gentleman from the U.K.s parliament, Daniel Hannan, said that since the health care system in England has become government run, this makes the Health Care System in England the 3rd LARGEST EMPLOYER in the world. Could this be why it is so important and must be rushed through to get a government run health care in the U.S.? Would that make our Health Care System run by the government the lst or second largest employer in the world? This would make the American people TOTALLY dependent on our government. Talk about the POWER this would give to the government over its people.

      I don't believe Barack Obama is interested in helping all the people get health insurance. I believe he is very interested in POWER and turning our nation into a socialist nation where we have to turn to the Government for everything we need. God Forbid.

    119. Laura Van Overscheld says:

      Today's Morning Bell has a list of topics that demonstrate all the incompetence that is true of Mr. Obama, but it also shows that Obama has a clear intent to remove from the people the very freedoms that were intended to be protected by the Constitution written 222 years ago! I know that a lot of Americans are recently awakened, let's see if we can wake up many more. By 13 months from today, we must stave off many of the assaults being thrown our way by those less than angelic office holders in Washington. They are at least complicit with his drive to overtake just about every free aspect of our lives.

    120. Randy, New Orleans says:

      Every thing about this Administration sickens me to the core. Ignoring the help our brave men and women need to achieve victory is inexcusable! It is truly an arrogant slap in the face to our Founding Fathers and all who have faught and died to preserve our Constitutional Freedoms. Thank you, Heritage Foundation, for being a guiding light. This systematic dismantiling of our country must be, and will be defeated I truly feel that the majority of the American people do not want to live in a Communist country, and that our voices will be heard in 2010 and 2012!

    121. Ted Moore Grand Pra says:

      I spend most of my days keeping up with this diastor that is obama and his hatred of this Great Country, after being laid off from my job of twelve years I seem to have plenty of time on my hands,and with constuction at a stand still, because this administrations medeling in our financial institutions that have banks afraid to lend money for new construction,I can only sit here and shake my head at this mess and wonder how the progressives can go along with the utter destruction of Americans that want to work hard and have the Govt. do what the Constitution limits them to, I will not give in and even though I have no job I still have a voice.

    122. mike hutchings texas says:

      RATIONING IS THE END GAME;

      ration medical care,for the LESSER good;

      ration free speech,for the GREATER good;

      ration protest,for the GREATER good;

      ration freedom by putting a tax penalty ON every new born, restricting the early adult years when they move about and find what they want to do. make of them good little cogs in the facist machine.

      SOME CONSTRUCTIVE IDEAS.

      RATION RHINOS AND STATISTS AND GOLMAN-SACHS AND THE MONEY MEN BEHIND THIS MASSIVE BOONDOOGLE.

    123. Jim Cowen Jr Westla says:

      Americans are frustrated by the legislators pushing through a health bill that the majority do not want.. How do we get them to start over or go slower and research the options better? No one is listening to us.. High deficit,high taxes, high penalties, lower benefits, high costs, less choice, less benefits for seniors, etc. How do we stop the train before the train wreck??

    124. mike hutchings texas says:

      CAPTAIN OBAMA ON THE BRIDGE OF THE SHIP OF STATE AGROUND ON A TIDAL FLAT AND DIRECTING HIS STAFF;

      CAPTAIN OBAMA;axelrod bring the rowers from below decks and unchain them there is work to do.

      AXELROD;i am not sure if thats a good idea SIR if they realize we need them it might make them want more than they deserve.

      CAPTAIN OBAMA; simple enough i will talk about hope and chains that should do it; and AXELROD put them over the side and tell them to pull on the ropes. i have a meeting at four.

      AXELROD; the water is over their heads, it will be useful if we let them use the life boats.

      CAPTAIN OBAMA; your missing the point AXELROD if we throw the old and ambitious over the side the ship of state will float off on its own and we can be on our way to the united nations, so why give them life boats when we are done and the world is perfect a life boat will not put any one out of reach of my brand of justice. one world, one family of man, one currency, and one man to rule them all, is the nobel prize not mine can a crown be far behind.

      AXELROD;of course your right SIR we will tell them that the ice caps will melt and polar bears will have to be relocated and——.

      CAPTAIN OBAMA; it doesnt matter what you tell them or what they think, get them over the side and out of my way, i cant waste time dealing with the sensibilities of americans when they are the problem and no part of the solution, now hand me my prize, i am something other than american and this proves it.

    125. Wm. J. &Mary E. says:

      The Nobel to Obama. We are not shocked or overjoyed.After it being awarded to Carter, Arafat

      and Gore, it has lost its meaning, honor or nobility. Just another bag of money!!!Our country

      is in terrible trouble.Please go to the Town Meetings, voice your opinions and make calls to your Reps etc in govt.and be prepared to vote in the Primaries {soimportant this time]. Know what your freedoms are.The left know exactly what their plans are for us. Find out what that will mean for you. GOD BLESS AMERICA Mary & Bill

    126. Roland D, Claus, Ber says:

      Intentions? What intentions? I have seen nor heard none emanating from Obama that bode well for any of us. What country is he speaking to?

    127. Roland D, Claus, Ber says:

      Moderation? How shall I be moderate when he proposes to steal hugely from my wife and my promised medicare? Where is integrity in allowing the charades to continue? Go ahead, tell me to be moderate when my wife's coming open heart surgery is denied because she is of an age when her experience, wisdom, and graceful older years are to be lopped off by health care rationing? Who are you kidding? Heritage Foundation of what?

    128. mike hutchings texas says:

      This is a comment on abortion being financed by the state.

      This is the same state that is constant in it warnings that there will not be enough new workers to support the retired.

      This is the same state that proposes unlimited numbers of illegal migrants to fill the gap.

      This is the same state that backs away from assimilation for illegals and prefers to keep them in being and outside the mainstream as a poor voting block to wield against the natives.

      This is the same state that finds it to its advantage not to have its native population raise their own children so that they might grow up and fill those gaps in the work force.

      This is the same state that prefers a servile and disconnected alien population over a native one with roots and rights because their easier to control.

      This is the same state that made abortion legal and changed the wording of the debate from baby to fetus making it legal to kill a fetus without having to us the word BABY which it is.

      This is the STATE OF THE DEBATE slap some paint over the word you cant say. Lets hear some personal and up lifting stories about how MY abortion has enriched MY life; AND MY NAME IS….

      This is THE SAME STATE THAT IS INTENT ON GATHERING UP ALL OF OUR TOYS THAT WE AS CHILDREN DONT DESERVE EVEN IF WE WORK FOR THEM.

      THIS IS THE STATE AINT IT ALL JUST GREAT THEM CONTROLLING THE MONEY WE EARN AND THE CARS WE BUY..OM MY..OH MY…OH MY..THIS WILL ALL WORK OUT WHEN PIGS FLY.

      IF YOU ARE GOING TO KILL A BABY IT IS LEGAL TO DO SO. BUT DONT TAP DANCE AND FENCE BY USEING FETUS AND SHUFFLE STEP BY SAYING LIFE BEGINS WHEN IT IS…..NO…NO..NO. LIFE BEGINS WHEN IT BEGINS AND IT ENDS WHEN IT ENDS. IF YOU CHOSE TO TAKE A LIFE.. FESS UP AND SAY…..WHAT YOU INTEND TO DO.

      I will not get into eugenics and the facist doctrine behind the abortion business but the goverment has no business sense when it pays to destroy all those cute little tax payers. Once it has been established that the state can finance one form of death why not another. We already know that the aged and the expensivly infirm are in the cross hairs of HEALTH CARE REFORM.

      Now who could be next once you start thinning the population to fit an academic model where it wont be overly troublesome. The rights have been stripped from the unborn and thats legal. So why not old people; you remember old people; they are the library that burnd down when one of them dies and carry with them much history that might not be convienent fo the STATE….We are back to that word again..I think we need to change it because it is starting to carry negative connotations….

      This is the same state that stepped in with their social engineers and created the problem in the first place………..Now lets us think like good little facists and reason on literate lines and conclud that since the STATE caused these problems they..being wise…must know how to fix them….we should give them more power and pieces of our time and lives in the form of money and the time it takes to earn it…..

      this is a question of life and if your life is your own or are you property.

      THIS IS THE ONLY QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ASKED AND ANSWERED.

    129. robert sargent sr.we says:

      we have the best health care in the world.why is obama trying to tear it down.why does he vilify ever part of our health care.ever one that follows that man should ask,are my childern going to be better off when they are my age

    130. Jim Cowen Jr Westla says:

      Are the legislators we elected listening to any of their constituents re: how financially flawed are the bills that are being reviewed at this time for Obamacare? Irresponsible and unaccountable are the words that come to mind.. What can be done at this late date? Who can we turn to that can make these irresponsible legislators understand the consequences of their actions? Keep up your efforts.. The takers of the world now outnumber the givers to society and our economy..

    131. robert sargent sr.we says:

      if obama pulls this off,it is a sad day for the country.our legislators are a disgrace.come 2010 there is going to be a house cleaning.

    132. Jim Cowen Jr Westla says:

      As a California small business owner, I will not be hiring any new employees until I see the outcome of the health plan issue and the resulting tax increases to pay for the single payer plan.. I hope that Boxer, Feinstein, Waxman, Reid, Pelosi and Obama get the message .. This is the overall sentiment around the country.. Hold off hiring until the profit picture is clearer..Being on budget and controlling expenses is the answer to staying in business..They just don't get it.. Killing the Golden Goose is not the answer to sustained growth, especially in a bad economy..

    133. Wm. J. &Mary E. says:

      Obama said, " If you want to know me, look @ the people around me". I have and I believe we have

      suffered a nonviolent Coup d'tah. The only way to

      save our country and way of life, is the vote and

      much prayer! Mary

    134. Violet M. McNInch, I says:

      I think they should rename it Obamacurse. After reading your piece 10/29/09 it gives me some hope that somehow our wonderful country will survive this massacre. God Bless America.

    135. Deanna Cary says:

      Where does it say in the constitution that Govern-ment run health care (really "sickness care") is m-a-n-d-a-t-o-r-y for all of us to have? Last year I lost my job & in 8/09 had a heart attack; so @ age 72 I'm pretty unlikely (though willing & able) to obtain even a part-time job. We took are of elderly parents & Iraq-war son & that took all of our savings. We're "suriving" on $1,500/month S.S.,including paying a mortgage. When Obama/Pelosi/Reid care goes through, they'll have to put me in jail because I don't have any income to pay their fine. Also, whatever happened to Presbo's campaign promise: "When I'm president, the American people will have one week to read any laws that go into effect"???????? Yeah,right!!! Obviously,the goal of those in control in DC (or @ least B.O.)is to spend this country down to nothing into a one world order & currency. And WHY are all illegals GIVEN S.S. & so many other benefits? The rest of us have p-a-i-d into it all of our working lives, & theirs is FREE for the taking. Illegals would be STUPID NOT to come to the U.S. for all the freebies, freedom & opportunities GIVEN them!! (Yes, I k-n-o-w it's so the Left can have the illegal votes)! How do we legally get to Australia or New Zea-land? At least, ENGLISH is their enforced & up-held primary language!! Someone needs to start an insurance debit card for the illegals where they PAY a $100/week (min-imum)into a family fund so they can @ least pay a pittance when they use (& abuse) our emergency rooms. There is NO FREE LUNCH!!! Of course, somebody would yell "descrimination" & that would be the end of that. Americans are sick & tired of politicians "giving away the store" to illegals!!!Let's have the politicians & Jimmy Carter's Library Fund pay for illegal perks for 2-3 months. I think things would change in a "fast hurry"!! D.C., Woostock, GA

    136. Joseph C, Moore, Cpo says:

      1990 pages of malfeasant obfuscation that guarantees that our heirs will be saddled with debt so staggering that they will not be able to get out from under the governmental onus. What has happened to the great country of the United States?

    137. Jim Cowen Jr Westla says:

      My liberal friends now know what the phrase "be careful what you wish for/there may be unintended consequences" means.. They are just now waking up to reality and realizing what they voted for last Nov.. I hope there is a survey with the question that asks if Obama would be your choice for Pres. if the election were held today.. This legislation is a fraud and hoax on the American people..I hope we all sober up and express our dissatisfaction..Bankrupting our economic system was not what was intended

    138. Wm. J. &Mary E. says:

      Please, Please ! Inform every one that Obama will sign a treaty in Copenhagen in a few weeks that hand us over to the U.N. One World Govt. We will

      loose our constitutional freedoms and will become

      tax slaves in a third world country.

      This is terrifying!!….Mary Miller

    139. Lynn B. DeSpain says:

      The only Centerist thing about Obama is right in the middle of the Left! We all need to keep the battle going. Let your Politicians know that if they vote against your values, you will replace them. Find candidates running for office that are true to the Constitution and back them all the way, it is our best defense agaist the likes of Obama and his kind. Take back our schools by running for and winning a position on the School Board in your area. Then you get to decide what the kids read, and hear, and if there is to be prayer in school, it will be your school then. Pressure all elected Officials to rid your States of all Illegal Aliens, for their costs are to heavy a burden to bear any longer.

    140. Jeff, Florida says:

      These Blog sites are ok to vent our feelings but everyone needs to contact their Congress and Senate representatives to make any differents at all and not just once but ever week. Make them sick and tired of your e-mails, phone calls or letters. I find that some of the people that send me the pass-on e-mail messages about an issue don't even know who their Reps. are. This does nothing but preach to the choir.

    141. E.F.May Wisconsin wr says:

      I want to know if the Christian Seniors Association of Hagerstown. MD 21741-5049 is this organization legitimate against the Liberal Left [Dem's] AARP? I don't want to join any group that is not legitimate. I filled out National Research Survery of Senior voters and wrote check to join, I am holding and not mailing until I get more information. Thank You

    142. Del, Maryland says:

      Obamalet, Prince of Denmark

      Act I, Scene 3

      "To surge or not to surge, that is the question.

      Whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous liberals ,

      Or to take up arms against a sea of Taliban, and by opposition, end them.

      To sleep, perchance to dream (of health care reform, cap and trade, etc.)

    143. Tony, Oregon says:

      Another Politician with a FORKED tounge(doublespeak)talking about correcting broken treaties of the past.How can Obama promise anything to First Americans(I'm one)when he plans on giving away the sovernty of a land that belongs to a people that he does not own to a World government.

    144. Roland D, Claus, Ber says:

      Amazing how callously indifferent to the plight of the commoner created by new genius legislation such as Health Care and Cap and Trade. If the total estimated unemployment of 22%+ is anywhere near accurate, just how many jobless without income will wind up in jail for failure to purchase health insurance? I guess they will get what passes for health care in jail, and who will pay?

    145. Proud citizen says:

      Unions seem to love this, but where are our jobs going? When everyone is unemployed, we can just borrow more money from another country! The "rich" people who are hiring people will be put on the "needy" list and the government will dictate whether, when and what surgery or medicine you get!

      America, wake up!

    146. PG Naik, Marietta, G says:

      Simple change in health care system is highly needed in this great country of USA but not at the cost of innocent citizens and instead let each citizen should have their own family choice to have insurance coverage with reasonably acceptable cost of insurance policy, medical services and medicine. Let the patient and their respective doctor decide what is the best way to get needed treatment rather than by some uncaring, politically motivated individual(s) dictating the terms and conditions.

    147. Jim Cowen Jr Westla says:

      Just remember that the trial news for the terrorists is just a distraction to move Obamacare to the back pages of the mainstream newspapers.. The LA Times put the healthcare issue on Page 17/Tuesday..The liberal progressives have a distract and deflect agenda and we budget minded citizens must not be misled any further

    148. Jim Cowen Jr Westlake Village CA says:

      Just remember that the trial news for the terrorists is just a distraction to move Obamacare to the back pages of the mainstream newspapers.. The LA Times put the healthcare issue on Page 17/Tuesday..The liberal progressives have a distract and deflect agenda and we budget minded citizens must not be misled any further

    149. Joyce Daniel Grant says:

      Please notice this brouhaha over the terrorist being tried in NY. is only a "red herring" to take the HEALTH SOCIALIST POLICY off the News and talk shows, so the Democrats can pass a bill to put our children and grandchildren into slavery…

    150. Bob R Geologist, Tuc says:

      We needed a Lincoln, we had an election that turned out to be a personality contest that put an enemy of everything that made America great in the White House. So far his objective appears to put everyone who didn't vote for him in the Poor House. What we must do to survive is to put him in a Nut House.

    151. Carol, Sheridan,OR says:

      Where did the money go? Acorn?

    152. Spiff, USA says:

      Just you wait 'til Nobama hears about this! He will probably find someone in Kuba who might have wanted to run for the office but could not do so legally and will need his and Ambassador Clinton's help to get it!

      Spiff

    153. Ben Schwegman says:

      You should have added who was not invited. Ben

    154. ann kitay fulton, tx says:

      I called harry reid's office today and told theyoung man that the senator doesn't know his history and further the health bill, cap & trade, etc adnaseum are subverting oour Constitution and that the senator, as i see it, is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such. I always identify myself, name, address and phone number. I am NOT a part of any silent majority. This is my country and I will go down fighting. I'm 73 and depend solely on my ss check and don't worry about dying until the dear Lord calls me.

    155. Rhonda, Texas says:

      What are these democrats thinking? First they say Medicare is bankrupting us and they want to make major cuts. This will only hurt the citizens that need it the most our elderly. NOW they want to start giving it to people 55 and just add to the cost. Where in the world is their common sense. You don't even have to be very smart to see that this is just stupid.We have got to get these fools out of office before they destroy the country or forefathers fought so hard to make great.

    156. ERIC, LOUISIANA says:

      We separated from England over Bankers turning our foreFathers into slaves.

      I pray that people recognize that all their so called patriotism is fueled by the Morgans and Rockefellers who(if they had their way) would have us all fighting over 50 cents a day.

      We are already tax slaves in a 3rd world country!

      I have been a voting republican for 30 years but no more! The GOP and the bankers they work for have lied to the christians worldwide. W, Rowe, all of them. You broke us, you ruined us. W's grandfather was a puppet for the bankers. Lincoln was shot not long after saying that "the republic is over", when he realized the bankers were in real control.

      I literally hate the left and what they stand for but the greedy, sick, twisted GOP looking at me and mine like i'm some serf is just not going to cut it anymore. Hell if you can't fake compassion, hire someone to sell it! But you won't get your dirty little sellout game back without the Christians. Dig it? GOOD!!!

      Moderators do what your conscience or lack of tells you to do!

    157. Kim, California says:

      Actually, I think the auto insurance argument (state-based regulations) DOES work for a health care mandate in the way that former Gov. Mitt Romney outlined health care reform for Massachusetts: that state's health care reform was state-based, NOT federal based, and that should be the model for any national health care reform. What works for MA might or might not work for other states, so there cannot be a federal solution to a state problem.

      So, can we find solutions to health care reform that are state-based, where states put requirements on individuals to either insure themselves or pay full-price out-of-pocket?

      I realize that there are cost-control issues with the MA solution, and it's not perfect and needs adjustments, but it's at least Constitutional to give sovereignty to the states to develop their own health care reforms. That being said, I also think a health insurance plan needs to be available interstate to be the most competitive. Just things to think about…

    158. Salverda, Hugo MN says:

      You've heard it said, "we need universal health insurance," and yet I say unto you, "nobody needs insurance." People need water, food, shelter, and sick people do need health care, but insurance is not a necessity to anybody. The argument favoring insurance is, "health care costs too much," however, the insurance industry itself sets the price. They want to make health care expensive, thereby forcing us into purchasing insurance. It’s tremendously expensive to operate an insurance company. There are shareholders who want big profits, the company's officers make millions, they have huge office buildings, employ a fleet of lawyers, and there are lawsuits that they have to pay. They afford these things with our "health care" dollar. Their fiduciary responsibilities are to deny health care claims wherever they can. Furthermore those clinics that control our doctors and nurses, also have to pay for specialized receptionists who know all about insurance, claims adjusters, and medical coding specialists. Obviously these are all administrative costs and aren’t related to health at all! Does anybody seriously believe that funding the entire insurance industry with our health care dollar makes health care cheaper? Our politicians seem to think so, but then again they take money from the insurance lobbyists as campaign contributions. The media seems to think so, but then again they are heavily sponsored by insurance companies who can withdraw that sponsorship at any time. The public is thereby being deliberately misinformed.

    159. Dave Sanborn says:

      All of the commentary about the health care reform not adding to the deficit is really an attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of the American public. It is quite easy to claim such nonsense when the ultimate cost of this bill will be covered by taxpayers (of course, the highest earners, who clearly have not paid their way) through significant increases in their taxes, and government mandated purchase of insurance. We could end the deficit tomorrow in the same way. Let's just go ahead and increase the taxes of every American family (of course this would not apply to illegal aliens) in the U.S. While we are at it, let's go a little higher, and we can actually create a surplus. In the minds of the Liberals there is nothing standing in their way for them to do so. Not the law, not the Constitution, and certainly not the will of the people.

    160. Ronald Boggs 2296 Is says:

      OUR GOVERNMENT IS COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL, MOST MEMBERS OF THE CONGRESS AND THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE BROKEN THEIR OATH OF OFFICE AND ONLY SWIFT, DRASTIC, DETERMINED, TARGETED, WELL THOUGHTOUT AND SWEEPING ACTIONS WILL CHANGE ANYTHING. IN MY PERSONAL OPENION UNLESS SOME OTHER PLAN TO STOP THESE PEOPLE IS NOT FOUND QUICKLY THEN THE STATES MUST UNITE AND SUCCEED FROM THE UNION.

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