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  • Townhall Downfall: Reps. Ross & Snyder (D-AR)

    Despite President Barack Obama’s deadline, both the House and Senate failed to pass Obama’s health care plan before they adjourned for the month of August. Now Senators and Representatives are returning home to participate in one of America’s greatest democratic traditions: the townhall.

    The events afford citizens the rare opportunity to share their opinions directly with their elected officials. “Share their opinions directly” is exactly what they’re doing.

    Remember: Townhall Downfall is on Twitter @ #TownhallDownfall

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    22 Responses to Townhall Downfall: Reps. Ross & Snyder (D-AR)

    1. Nicki , Texas says:

      I am shocked at what AP calls an unruly townhall meeting. The media is as usual at work lying to the general public because the truth cannot be told. Thank you for giving us an opportunity to see what that truth really is.

    2. Bill , NorthWest Lou says:

      To save money on medical costs we need to have insurance companies compete across state lines.

      Need to allow insurance companies to charge more for practicing bad preventive health practices or risky behaviors, such as smoking and or being obese.

      We have to pay more for our car insurance if we get speeding tickets and or have several wrecks due to wreckless driving. So why not make people who do and or have risky health behaviors pay more for health insurance?

      We need to encourage proper life styles with higher insurance costs for being a smoker and other bad behaviors.

      Mail order drugs can be a big savings also as compared to local drug stores.

    3. Robin Oregon for the says:

      I saw very concerned ordinary citizens concerned about their loss of choice and the possible euphanizing of their parents and some you and I. Very peaceful discussion good job. Also, this is about healthcare not health insurance. Health insurance won't matter when your healthcare is dicated by a DC club.

    4. ralph morrison Warr says:

      I think the most telling objection to this bill comes from congress and it workers to not want to partake in this program. If it is so good why dont they all want to join?

      I know one thing. I intend to vote against any congressman or senator that votes for this and try to get them out of office.

      That also applies to the President of the united states when he comes up for re election

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    6. Yvonne Naples fl says:

      UNLIKE NIKI, I AM NOT SHOCKED WITH THE LYING AND DENIGRATEING THEY ARE TO PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH

      OBAMA'S HEALTH PROPOSAL. THEY ARE GETTING AFRAID, BECAUSE SO MANY FELLOW AMWERICANS ARE WAKING UP AS TO WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON.

      YVONNE

    7. Lloyd Scallan - New says:

      I would protest at any town hall my Senator (Mary Landrieu) would have the guts to attend. But she doesn't and will not provide her schedule. It not a matter of being "afraid" or "concerned". It the fact that we are being lied to. Our so call reps,

      look right into our eyes and lie. People like Landrieu have no soul. They have no sence of honesty. It's long past time for us to make sure our conservative heritage is represented in Washington.

    8. C.C. W.V. says:

      I am a real person and I DO NOT want the government to mess with my healthcare… Nancy Polosi made the statement that people planted in townhall meetings were displaying swasticas etc. I never saw a town meeting on TV with anything of the sort Just another one of her bald face lies. When are the Dems going to wake up and quit the spending… As Glen Beck said we need to get on our knees and pray for this United States… only God can turn us around!!!!!

    9. Paul L Balaich, Auro says:

      This administration is trying to shove down health care change down the throats of Americans for the sake of being politically correct. President Obama and the Congress do not have a clue on whats needed to affect changes in the health care system. For the most part they don't even know whats in the bill. They need to take time to review all aspects of the change of the health care system. H. R. 3200 isn't the legislation to effective meaningful and productive health care We have the finest healthcare system in the world. There are ways that health care can become affordable to everyone.

      The White House and their allies are trying to convince the media that the anger at townhalls across the county is being manufactured by special interests in Washington. At a press conference, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) called the protests “phony”, holding up a swatch of Astroturf to illustrate his point. And the White House is telling supporters “to punch back twice as hard” at anybody who dares to question their policies. Unfortunately some Obama supporters are taking that call literally.

      At a townhall last night in St.Louis, Kenneth Gladney, 38, a local conservative activist said he was attacked by Obama supporters, one of whom used a racial slur against him before the attack. From the emergency room at St. John’s Mercy Medical Center Gladney, who is black, told the St. Louis Dispatch: “It just seems there’s no freedom of speech without being attacked.” In Tampa, Florida, protester Barry Osteen was pushed in the face by Democratic Club Treasurer Karen Miracle and union members allegedly assaulted another concerned citizen. Both of the events were organized by the Service Employees International Union (SEIU). Asked about the possibility of people concerned about Obama showing up at their event, in Tampa, SEIU spokeswoman Kim Diehl told the St. Petersburg Times: “We’re prepared. We have strategies to deal with it if it should come up.”

      As this video plainly shows, one of those strategies is to lock out dissenters while letting in purple- hirted SEIU members. The desire to silence dissent on Obamacare goes all the to the top. At a Democratic rally in Virginia last night, the President told supporters: “I don’t want the folks who created the mess doing a lot of talking. I want them to just get out of the way so we can clean up the mess.”

      Not everyone on the left has been so quick to silence the opposition. In direct contradiction to claims by Sens. Harry Reid (D-NV) and Dick Durbin (D-IL), Sen. Claire McCaskill tweeted last night: “I disagree that the people showing concern over some health care proposals are ‘manufactured’ Real folks, strong opinions.” And Sen. Ben Cardin told Fox News: “People have strong views about health care reform. The overwhelming majority of Americans want to participate. They want to know how it affects them, and what it will do with their health insurance through what it will do with their health care costs. Those are legitimate questions.”

    10. Thomas, Anchorage, A says:

      A citizen apparently got roughed up by what are reported to be union representatives at one town hall: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/08/024

      This video is even more clear in showing union members attacking tea party protesters: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/08/024

      What's next, the White House uses reported "fishy" messages to track down opponents of the President, and sends people to visit?

      If that happened to me there is no doubt the police or troopers would have to be called to retrieve the body[ies] of anyone trying to intimidate me.

      Apparently civil disobedience is only encouraged in regard to protesting conservatives/Republicans.

    11. Jill, California says:

      Here's what I sent to flag@whitehouse.gov

      To Whom It May Concern:

      There are two bills Americans want Congress to sign immediately:

      - One, a bill impeaching Obama, Biden, and all of their czars.

      - Two, a bill requiring every member of Congress to resign immediately, never to hold public office again.

      Don't read them. Just sign them.

      We want lawmakers who play win-win, not those who play win-lose. We want lawmakers who solve real problems without creating thousands of others. We want lawmakers who know they work for the people, not those who think they can run roughshod over us. We want lawmakers who spend our tax dollars wisely, who don't spend money they don't have, and who won't raise our taxes, especially in a recession. We want lawmakers who put an end to the bailouts and the pork barrel spending.

      We don't want lawmakers who act *stupidly*. We don't want you.

    12. Annette Swinford Tyl says:

      I am shocked that our country lets the elderly lead the way on the fight to win our freedom back. Where is the young who should be helping to protect our citizens? Will we let them fight the battle alone and be the cowards who let them sink into the quick sand.Wake up and protect your grandparents. I believe that who ever put the idea that we should let our elderly just die with nothing to encourage them to live needs to be charged with neglect and attempted murder of the elderly. An animal is treated better than that.

    13. Jerry from Chicago says:

      The reason the people in the townhall meetings are shouting is that their representatives aren't listening. Normal people do that when they want to be heard.

      I love it when these pols start lashing out at their constituents. Go ahead, call them Nazis, call them dumbells, call them paid actors hired by rich, right-wing organizations. Go ahead and call them "un-American". Tell them to shut up! Tell them they don't have the right to complain.

      These politicians are proving two things to me:

      1) They feel that they are above criticism and are inherently smarter and better human beings than the rest of us (arrogance).

      2) They believe that we serve them, not the other way around (stupidity).

    14. Roger S., Ma. says:

      Great letter, "Jill", especially the part about "don't read, just sign". Now that would be something to pray for !

    15. Lynn B. DeSpain says:

      If you agree, its a Town Hall. If you do not agree, it is an unfounded protest, meant to disrupt the carefully thought out process of our Leader For Life,OBAMA!

      Hozro

    16. Annette Swinford Tyl says:

      Where do I sign? Jill, you are right on the money.

    17. Marie says:

      Subject: THE POLITICAL PENDULUM KEEPS SWINGING FROM RIGHT TO LEFT

      This was written by my husband, Paul Marino and I think every concerned American should read this.

      Marie Alderman-Marino

      Belleair Beach, FL 33786

      ——————————————————————————–

      THE POLITICAL PENDULUM CONTINUES TO SWING

      BY

      PAUL J. MARINO, ESQ

      Many of us have lived during a 50 year era in American history of watching the political pendulum swing from the far left to the far right and back again. The age old issues continues to be either less government in the affairs of business and citizens or more government designed to keep businesses in check to protect workers and avoid abuses of the public trust. The Republican say that less government is better for the people, and the Democrats say that the government has a duty to protect the working class against the indifferences of big business, especially the large corporations. In reality, the truth can be found somewhere in the middle. Meanwhile, the pendulum keeps swinging back and forth.

      What the American people have been experiencing since 2008 is a repeat of history that my father and mother lived through in the 1930s. My father, an immigrant from Sicily, worked to get a good education – the first in his family. He was a pro-active Tammany Hall (N.Y.) Democrat during the Roosevelt New Deal era, but with the knowledge of the history of New York’s corrupt political bosses, such as Boss William Tweed whose political cronies actually caused the 1869 stock market crash. Reform in New York came only after the newspapers finally exposed Tweed Gang corruption to a fiercely democratic electorate in New York.

      If you study American history you can see the parallel between what has happened in the past to the situations facing us today. Today, it is not Tammany Hall in New York City, but the John Daly political machine in Chicago. A political machine that was the embryo for the creation of ACORN and SIEU where millions of federal taxpayers dollars were poured in order to bring about the 2008 elections in many communities, not just Chicago, in favor of the junior Senator from Illinois, beating a very popular Hillary Clinton. It was this effort coupled with others that elected President Obama, after the Bush administration engaged in eight years of Harding style politics, thus creating a spring board for President Obama and many new Democrats in the Congress.

      The 1929 stock market crash was another example of greed under President Warren Harding with an unregulated stock market, a lack of labor laws to protect the working class, and with union organizers being injured or murdered by company thugs. The country demanded change, and that change came in the person of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. A man with substantial wealth in his own right, but who saw the need for dramatic reform if this nation was to survive the 1929 depression.

      Like today, Roosevelt saw factory closings, foreclosures, and bank failures, while unemployment soared. Roosevelt faced the greatest crisis in American history since the Civil War. He undertook immediate actions to initiate his New Deal policies. To halt depositor panics, he closed the banks temporarily. Then he worked with the Congress during the first "100 days" to pass recovery legislation, which set up agencies such as the AAA (Agricultural Adjustment Administration) to support farm prices; the CCC (Civilian Conservation Corps) to employ young men; the establishment of the Works Projects Administration (WPA) which provided jobs not only for laborers but also artists, writers, musicians, and authors, and the Social Security Act, which provided unemployment compensation and a program of old-age and survivors' benefits.. Other agencies assisted business and labor, insured bank deposits, regulated the stock market, subsidized home and farm mortgage payments, and aided the unemployed. These measures revived confidence in the economy. Banks reopened and direct relief saved millions from starvation. But the New Deal measures also involved government directly in areas of social and economic life as never before and resulted in greatly increased spending and unbalanced budgets which led to criticisms of Roosevelt's programs, but in retrospect, it was what was needed at the time to balance the rights of big business against the rights of the individual.

      I believe that President Obama sees himself as a modern day Franklin Delano Roosevelt, except there is one big difference. While there were allegations that Roosevelt had surrounded himself with declared Communist sympathizers, there is no question that there is many more Marxist -Socialist officials in the Obama administration than were ever conceived by the people during the Roosevelt era. These people, including the President, have been trained to reject the basic principles upon which the capitalism economy existed for two centuries in this country and for a more equitable distribution of wealth to the working class proletariat. They also seem to believe that Judeo-Charistain religion is the opiate of the masses. and oppose organized religion in the same way as the Marxist-Communists. And the pendulum continues to swing.

      Sometimes it is hard to tell the players without a score card. The pro-active Republican of today is not the same Republican of yesteryear. With the mixture of a big business, the super rich and Christian right, you technically have interests that are actually adverse to each other. Yes, they share support of a strong military. Yes, they oppose abortions. Yes, they support a strong Judeo-Christian religious philosophy, but beyond these issues big business and the working class Republicans are at odds on other issues. They are at odds with such issues as keeping the labor force in the United States, curbing illegal immigration, a responsible healthcare system, and a workable pension system. It is here where the modern day Marxists are attempting to drive a wedge between these diverse interest and differences within the Republican Party.

      In 1939, Dmitry Manluilsky, a senior Comintern in the Soviet Union, told students at the Lenin School of Political Science that, "we will lull the bourgeois to sleep and in 20 or 30 years, we will smash them with our clinched fists." At the time, many Americans were being trained and indoctrinated at the Lenin School in Moscow to go back to America and build the American-Communist Party. What most Americans failed to see from 1940 to 1980 was that this effort was well financed by the Soviets and many of those trained found their way into the federal government system, in spite of the loyalty oaths they had to sign during the Truman and Eisenhower administrations. The main focus of the Soviets was to put money into four primary areas of American society. First, the entertainment industry, especially motion picture productions. Next, was journalism and major media resources. Next was organized labor, and lastly, the secondary educational system. All designed to control the hearts and minds of an uneducated and uninformed American population. In addition, they financed such efforts as the anti-Vietnam war effort and other protests groups in America.

      During the post–World War II era U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy engaged in an unrelenting search to expose Communist in America. McCarthyism, as it came to be known, accused many thousands of Americans of being Communists or communist sympathizers, and became the subject of aggressive investigations and questioning before government or private-industry panels, committees and agencies. The primary targets of such suspicions were government employees, those in the entertainment industry, educators and union activists. While he and his Senate Committee were not wrong, he just went about it in the wrong way, with the whole process getting completely out of hand to the shame and contributed to the demise of Senator McCarthy. And the pendulum continued to swing.

      I remember how my father broke from the Democratic Party when Hubert Humphrey was the democratic candidate for President of the United States, which made headlines in our local paper in Maryland. At the time, he saw too much infiltration of the Marxist far-left in the national party leadership, and that the Party was abandoning traditional American values. This was especially difficult for him because of his close political alliance with former Congressman and Mayor of Baltimore Thomas J. D'Alesandro Jr, the father of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. D'Alesandro was a hard core Roosevelt New Deal Democrat. He even named one of his sons after President Roosevelt. It is here where Speaker Pelosi probably got her first political education.

      Maybe, just maybe, what has been presented here will give you a better understanding of why we are where we are today. There is much more for discussion and this is merely the tip of the iceberg. Let's not forget that under the U.S. Constitution the American people have a right to change their form of government, except by force. And the pendulum continues to swing.

      Where we go from here is problematical. Will President Obama live up to his words regarding his plans for America, or are we being lulled to sleep to be hammered with the clinched fist of the far Left ?.

      # # #

    18. Brenda from Spring says:

      As a citizen of the U.S. and having done all the right things all my life, I am very offended by the Democrats name calling of the conservative protesters. It is juvenile and below the offices they hold. I have never heard a President say and do the things Obama does…..beneath the office. They are offending Democrats, independents, Republicans, and libertarians, not just Republicans. We are not in any way, organized by any group, insurance or otherwise. Do they think we are so stupid that we cannot organize ourselves (grassroots) and get there to protest? Of all people, Obama can't be upset, as he is the ultimate "community organizer" and that is what he did before he got into the public light. I say, "what hypocrites!!" It makes me more eager to attend these rallies and protests….don't try to intimidate me….it's not possible. I love my country too much for you to all steal it from me and my patriot citizens. God Bless America!!!

    19. Tom, Georgia says:

      Is it the direct cost of medical treatment and healthcare that costs so much?

      Or might it be the ever-increasing extraneous costs of various kinds–additional costs that are being dumped into the healthcare delivery system that contribute nothing but cost to the delivery of medical treatment and healthcare with the cost of governments(taxation)being by far the most prominent–that have driven the prices that healthcare consumers are now paying to a level that is unaffordable?

      Any tax of any kind that is paid by anyone using money from the healthcare delivery system revenue stream is an additional costs that healthcare consumers are paying but which are extraneous and nonessential to providing healthcare. That includes income taxes and payroll taxes that are paid on system employee salaries as well as every tax of every kind that system employees pay using money that they received as income from the healthcare delivery system revenue stream.

      If tax rates are increased for those who make $250,000 a year then just who, exactly will be paying more taxes? Do you reckon that a large number of those paying additional taxes might be doctors and other healthcare professionals?

      Could anyone seriously believe that increasing the amounts of income taxes and/or payroll taxes that doctors and other healthcare professionals are paying then using the money to pay for the healthcare that they are providing will somehow, magically cause healthcare to become more affordable?

      Could any thinking person possibly believe that the current healthcare overhaul plan(s) make any sense whatsoever?

      If the objective is to have more affordable, quality healthcare then start preventing the dumping of all of the extraneous, non-essential costs from being dumped into the healthcare delivery system. That includes the cost of predatory law suits being filed against healthcare professionals. That especially includes a reduction in the amounts of taxes that are being paid using money from the healthcare delivery system revenue streams.

      You name a tax of any kind and it is a guarantee that some government somewhere is receiving payment of that tax from the healthcare delivery system revenue stream.

      THE HUMAN MIND IS THE ONLY THING IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE THAT IS ABLE TO OPERATE IN AN ARBITRARY MANNER!

      That is the fundamental trait that is the root cause of all of the nonsense that is being conjured out of the muddled minds of people in Washington, written into legislation, passed, then signed into law and then dumped out of Washington into the lives of real people who are trying to live real lives in a real country called The United States of America.

      Then those who dump the nonsense into our lives exempt themselves from their own nonsense.

      Is our Federal Government F.U.B.A.R.? (F***** Up Beyond Any Recovery)

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUBAR

    20. Katrina, charlottesv says:

      Maybe we, the American people are beginning to wake up. We need to be informed, call or e-mail our representatives (They should be.)and talk to our friends and family and ask them to do the same. It only takes a few minutes to e-mail representatives. We need to be speaking out loud and clear before it is too late for our country….no more big government wasteful bills….and READ them so we can have debates. Isn't this what our country is all about???? Obama and the Democrat's health care reform and cap and tax are will destroy our economy…that would be you and I.

    21. rainee from Florida says:

      Since when am I a part of an unruly mob? I am average, law abiding citizen who is appalled the jam it down your throat tactics that are being employed by our government. Obama has left the precepts of the constitution so far behind that it is frightening. Whatever happened to a government by the people and for the people?

      The health insurance reform is not about reform, it is about a power grab that will affect and control our lives from cradle to grave and, I fear, there will no turning back.

    22. Slobovianna Portlan says:

      I don't know if it is you, or who is doing it but while I'm trying to read the blogs the page keeps disappearing and a page trying to force me to read about Heritage keeps popping up.

      I don't appreciate that; it's same as being involved in a serious conversation with someone and someone comes along, butting in with a subject that only the one interupting is interested in.

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