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  • Morning Bell: Obamacare's Effect on Seniors

    Today at 1:30 PM, President Barack Obama will participate in a health care “tele-town hall” at AARP headquarters in Washington, DC. The President is scheduled to answer questions about his health care plan from AARP members via phone, email, and even a live audience of about 40 AARP members and volunteers. We hope the event’s moderators will allow for a lively and honest debate, because our nation’s seniors stand to be huge losers under Obamacare:

    Losing Your Doctor: Under the current system, more and more seniors are discovering that it is becoming harder and harder to find and keep doctors who will accept Medicare patients. A 2008 survey found that 29% of the Medicare beneficiaries it surveyed who were looking for a primary care doctor had a problem finding one to treat them, up from 24% the year before. This problem is compounded by the fact that our nation is facing a growing shortage of doctors. Obamacare promises to only make these problems worse. First, Obama plans to pay for up to a third of his plan by cutting $313 billion in Medicare reimbursements to health care providers over the next 10 years. This will only force more doctors to stop seeing Medicare patients. Second, Obama’s public “option” could decrease the annual net income of hospitals by $36 billion, while the annual net income of physicians could drop by $33.1 billion. Facing a sharp reduction in their pay, more doctors will retire early and more bright students will elect to pursue other careers, thereby reducing access and ensuring lower quality health care for future generations as well.

    Losing Your Coverage: 22% of all Medicare patients, which translates to 10.5 million seniors, are currently enrolled in Medicare Advantage plans. These health plans cover all of the traditional Medicare benefits and much more, including coor­dinated care and care-management programs for enrollees with chronic conditions as well as additional hospitalization and skilled nursing facility stays. President Obama has proposed killing this program entirely. A new study for the Florida Association of Health Plans found that, because Medicare Advantage plans have richer benefits and lower deductibles and co-payments than traditional Medicare, seniors in that state would face dramatically higher payments if forced to give up their Medicare Advantage plans. Cost increases would range from $2,214 a year in Jacksonville to $3,714 a year in Miami.

    Rationing Your Care: Another centerpiece to Obamacare is the creation of a federal health board that will ration your health care. Obama supporter and infanticide advocate Peter Singer made the case for rationing health care recently in the New York Times, writing: “The task of health care bureaucrats is then to get the best value for the resources they have been allocated.” Conservatives in Congress have given Obamacare supporters every opportunity to disavow government-rationed health care, but Obamacare supporters have voted down every anti-rationing amendment proposed. Make no mistake, Obama plans to pay for expanded coverage for the young and healthy by denying treatments to the old and sick. Americans can do better.

    There is no question that America’s $2.4 trillion health care system needs to be reformed. But it should not be done on the backs of America’s seniors. Conservatives have a better vision for health care reform that cuts health care costs by reforming the tax system, enabling true health care competition, and giving families control of their health care dollars.

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    105 Responses to Morning Bell: Obamacare's Effect on Seniors

    1. EDWARD GERSTEN says:

      I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT IF THE HEALTH CARE REFORMS ARE TO BE THE CURE IT ALL. HOW COME THE SPEAKER , SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN WILL NOT SIGN ON FOR THEMSELVES OR HAVE THERE FAMILY SUBJECTED TO THIS FARCE. YES WE NEED HEALTH CARE REFORM, THE SIMPLE SOLUTION WILL NEVER APPEAR, THAT IS TORT REFORM. WITH MOST OF OUR LEADERS ARE FORMER LAWYERS AND GET SUPPORT FROM THESE GROUPS. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN

    2. Linwood Boudreaux says:

      I do not support anything obama wants to do

      he has socialist ideas and is a danger to this great country. If AARP supports obama I will never have anything to do with AARP again.

    3. Nelia, AZ says:

      AARP has so far promoted Obama's Healthcare plan. How can an organization with the sole purpose of fostering the care and well-being of retired persons favor a program that does just the opposite? Perhaps because they are a lobby for all things Liberal first and concern for seniors second. My husband and I dropped our AARP membership years ago when we realized their true agenda.

    4. Alan Cope, Moses Lak says:

      Why is no one talking about Tort Limites and Medicade (time and accsess) Limits? Some one needs to get real in this debate!

    5. LtCol Charles Marsha says:

      Terminate politicians over 65 not senior Americans

    6. Maria in Pennsylvani says:

      What can we do to stop this bill from being passed?

      I emailed my Senators and they don't answer.

    7. Donald S Modaro says:

      It is outrageous that the AARP should support such anti-senior legislation. I dropped my membership years ago because of their liberal and socialistic stances. I joined the NRA instead!

    8. Jane Roseville Calif says:

      There are 2 things that really appall me the most about the bill. Rationing of health care to seniors & the mandate that every person over 65 be required every 5 years to have a discussion with their doctor about "dying with dignity". I'll go when I am ready thank you.

    9. Jimmy L. Konogeris, says:

      AARP…………. Will sale us down the river!!!

    10. tommybattles alabama says:

      put the sentors,congress,and other gov.higher up on the pole on the same retirement and heath care that outhe seniors are on…..that would be the start of getting it rite

    11. ever4ready, La Quint says:

      Seniors should know that companies that use the AARP label are charging 10-20% more than other companies. Just shop around. Supporting this bill just indicates how extremely anti-senior the AARP has really become.

    12. Ken St Louis says:

      As to AARP. I am a senior 70 years old. For years AARP sent me info and apps to join, but I declined. It isn't and organization FOR seniors, its goal is to rip off seniors. As to OBUMA I live in Missouri and am infuriated that not one of the morons in the Missouri legislature has introduced a bill for Missouri to SECEDE from the Union! WHAT UNION? We have aKING in Washington!!

      Too bad he's a moron.

    13. Roy Duffus, Naples, says:

      AARP's support of Obama's radically socialist agenda is a disservice to the conservative majority of its members.

    14. Richard Cancemi, Arl says:

      > Here's a link to the House of Representatives Health Care bill.

      >

      > It's 1,017 pages long, and apparently nobody has read all of it, but here are some tidbits. For anyone over 50, it's gets scarier the farther you read:

      >

      > Pg 22 of the HC Bill mandates the Government will audit books of all employers that self insure. Small businesses will abandon self insurance and go on Government insurance. So although proponents say that there will still be private health care, it’s simply a lie: this mandate will force employers to abandon their private plans.

      >

      > Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill ? a Government committee will decide what treatments/benefits a person may receive.

      >

      > Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill – Your healthcare will be rationed (as it is in Canada and Britain).

      >

      > Pg 42 of HC Bill ? The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You will have no choice.

      >

      > PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill – HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise. Citizens and legal residents will pay.

      >

      > Pg 58 HC Bill ? Government will have real-time access to individual’s finances and a National ID Healthcard will be issued.

      >

      > Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your bank accts for funds transfer.

      >

      > PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations (read: ACORN).

      >

      > Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Government will create an Health Care Exchange to bring private Health Care plans under Government control.

      >

      > PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill – Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private Health Care plans in the Exchange.

      >

      > PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill – Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Government will ration your Healthcare.

      >

      > PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill – Government mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example – Translate into English for illegal aliens.

      >

      > Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Government will use groups, i.e. ACORN & Americorps, to sign up individuals for Government Health Care plan.

      >

      > PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill – Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members – your Health care WILL be rationed. Fewer services as you age and are deemed less valuable.

      >

      > Pg 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill – Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

      >

      > Pg 124 lines 24-25 HC – No company can sue Government on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Government Monopoly.

      >

      > pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill – Doctors/ AMA – The Government will tell doctors what they can earn.

      >

      > Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. No choice.

      >

      > Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for Health Care for part time employees AND their families. Incentive for employers to cut payroll, particularly for part-timers.

      >

      > Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll $400k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

      >

      > pg 150 Lines 9-13 Businesses with payroll between $251k & $400k who don’t provide public option pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.

      >

      > Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable Health Care according to Government will be taxed 2.5% of income.

      >

      > Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.)

      >

      > Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (government employees) will have access to ALL Americans’ finances and personal medical records.

      >

      > PG 203 Line 14-15 HC – "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax. " Actual wording.

      >

      > Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, & poor affected.

      >

      > Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill ? Doctors ? doesn’t matter what specialty ? will all be paid the same. No incentive to specialize or to develop new technologies.

      >

      > PG 253 Line 10-18 Government sets value of Doctor’s time, professional judgment, etc. Literally, value of humans. Government pay scale, no incentive to stay in medicine or go through med school.

      >

      > PG 265 Sec 1131Government mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.

      >

      > PG 268 Sec 1141 Federal Government regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

      >

      > PG 272 SEC. 1145. Treatment of certain cancer hospitals – rationing of treatment for cancer patients, no extension of life if incurable. Those considered terminal will be allowed to die.

      >

      > Page 280 Sec 1151 The Government will penalize hospitals for what Government deems preventable readmissions.

      >

      > Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Doctors who treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission – Government will penalize.

      >

      > Pg 317 L 13-20 Prohibition on ownership/investment. Government tells Doctors what/how much they can own.

      >

      > Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 Prohibition on expansion – Government will mandate hospitals cannot expand.

      >

      > pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required.

      >

      > Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 – Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures (some illnesses can only be treated, not cured, so expected outcome is not optimal), which forces health care rationing and denial.

      >

      > Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Government has authority to disqualify private Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc., forcing people into Government plan.

      >

      > Pg 354 Sec 1177 – Government will restrict enrollment of Special Needs people.

      >

      > Pg 379 Sec 1191 Government creates more bureaucracy – Telehealth Advisory Committee. Health Care by phone.

      >

      > PG 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consultations (forced Senior Citizens end of life prodding).

      >

      > Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Government will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory, no choice.

      >

      > PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in how to die.

      >

      > PG 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end-of-life. The Government has a say in how your life ends.

      >

      > Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "advanced care planning consultant" will be used frequently as patients’ health deteriorates.

      >

      > PG 429 Lines 10-12 "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from the Government to end a life.

      >

      > Pg 429 Lines 13-25 – The Government will specify which doctors can write an end of life order.

      >

      > PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.

      >

      > Pg 469 – Community Based Home Medical Services/Non profit orgs. (ACORN Medical Services?)

      >

      > Page 472 Lines 14-17 Payment to community-based organization (Again, ACORN?)

      >

      > PG 489 Sec 1308 Marriage & Family therapy, inserting government into marriages.

      >

      > Pg 494-498 Government will cover Mental Health Services, including defining, creating, rationing those services and keeping records in a government database of treatment received or requested.

      >

      > Link: H.R. 3200

    15. Tim Johnson says:

      Thank the Fates that an American president has the nerve to stand up to these ridiculous conservatives that are quite happy to watch indigent senior citizens suffer because of those stupid conservative politics.

    16. wally says:

      what comes after obamacare I hope not euthanasia

    17. Jerry O'Neal 1 says:

      I am a old guy 71 years old, and some of this will seem self serving, please forgive me.

      I believe that basicly people should take responsibility for themselves, but I think we should take care of the eldery, the Disabled, and children, but it should be means tested. I don't want granny out on the streets and without medicine and health care.

      My question is this, would it not be cheaper to just buy them some health care insurance? and as for the 47 million or is it 26 million that is without coverage, would it not be a whole lot cheaper to just buy them Insurance? Means test them first, and if they are wealthy going along for a ride, then make them pay. But the Obama plan is reported to cost $571.6 billion. That would buy a lot of insurance and be a lot less.

      Am I right? thanks Jerry

    18. Ozzy6900, CT says:

      I hope that President Obama will be 100% honest with the AARP and the Seniors in this conference. Why not open with the example he used about an 80 year old woman who needs a pacemaker? President Obama's answer – give her pain meds!

      AARP and Liberals are in the same boat. A boat I do not wish to sail in!

    19. Cathy Amelio, New Je says:

      AARP leaders have not read the bill and are being paid off handsomely through grants and incentives from the White House! They should be ashamed of themselves for not reading the Bill! I read the bill and if they, who have all the time in the world to read the 1013 pages should have just read pages 425 to 430 which states anyone over the age of 60 will get "Advance Care Planning Consultation" (Death counseling). The government will plan your living wills, durable powers of attorney, health care proxy, end of life services, legal surrogate, state authority of continued care under legal guidelines, physician given the responsibility to who gets what care without family assistance, limited interventions. All persons 60 and over must have "Death Consultations every 5 years and if you are already ill then that time speeds up to every 2 years.

      If they would have read the garbage bill they would realize that the are mandated to give their checking account numbers to the Feds so that they can be charged for extraordinary care.

      Yea, these idiots have no idea and just heard the words free and the government will give to them! And they dove for it!

      Anyone who is a member of AARP (AntiAmericanRepulsivePeople) should cancel their membership now!

      In God we trust! God bless and help the true Americans!

    20. jim smith says:

      Today,I received a now deceased email from AARP telling me to watch Nobama today on another Town Hall Meeting. They are in the bag and tank for this president. If I watch, my Pinochhiometer will be set very high so nose growth can be immediately detected. There was no health care "crisis" until Nobama invented it. It needs to be fixed, but not his way. His way is just another move toward mind and body control over every phase of your life. Bet on it!!

    21. Jimmy L. Konogeris, says:

      I recalibrated………..what bull crap. Your president is a racist and isn't smart enough to disguise it and so is that harvard piece of affirmitive action. crowley should take a sip, belch and leave two dollars on the table on his way out.

    22. jacksmith says:

      LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET OUT OF THE WAY. (Thomas Paine)

      We have the 37th worst quality of healthcare in the developed world. Conservative estimates are that over 120,000 of you dies each year in America from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don't die from. Rich, middle class, and poor a like. Insured and uninsured. Men, women, children, and babies. This is what being 37th in quality of healthcare means.

      I know that many of you are angry and frustrated that REPUBLICANS! In congress are dragging their feet and trying to block TRUE healthcare reform. What republicans want is just a taxpayer bailout of the DISGRACEFUL GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT health insurance industry, and the DISGRACEFUL GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT healthcare industry. A trillion dollar taxpayer funded private health insurance bailout is all you really get without a robust government-run public option available on day one. Co-OP's ARE NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR A GOVERNMENT-RUN PUBLIC OPTION. They are a fraud being pushed by the GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT health insurance industry that is KILLING YOU!

      YOU CANT HAVE AN INSURANCE MANDATE WITHOUT A ROBUST PUBLIC OPTION. MANDATING PRIVATE FOR PROFIT HEALTH INSURANCE AS YOUR ONLY CHOICE WOULD BE UNETHICAL, CORRUPT, AND MORALLY REPUGNANT. AND PROBABLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL AS WELL.

      These industries have been slaughtering you and your loved ones like cattle for decades for profit. Including members of congress and their families. These REPUBLICANS are FOOLS!

      Republicans and their traitorous allies have been trying to make it look like it's President Obama's fault for the delays, and foot dragging. But I think you all know better than that. President Obama inherited one of the worst government catastrophes in American history from these REPUBLICANS! And President Obama has done a brilliant job of turning things around, and working his heart out for all of us.

      But Republicans think you are just a bunch of stupid, idiot, cash cows with short memories. Just like they did under the Bush administration when they helped Bush and Cheney rape America and the rest of the World.

      But you don't have to put up with that. And this is what you can do. The Republicans below will be up for reelection on November 2, 2010. Just a little over 13 months from now. And many of you will be able to vote early. So pick some names and tell their voters that their representatives (by name) are obstructing TRUE healthcare reform. And are sellouts to the insurance and medical lobbyist.

      Ask them to contact their representatives and tell them that they are going to work to throw them out of office on November 2, 2010, if not before by impeachment, or recall elections. Doing this will give you something more to do to make things better in America. And it will help you feel better too.

      There are many resources on the internet that can help you find people to call and contact. For example, many social networking sites can be searched by state, city, or University. Be inventive and creative. I can think of many ways to do this. But be nice. These are your neighbors. And most will want to help.

      I know there are a few democrats that have been trying to obstruct TRUE healthcare reform too. But the main problem is the Bush Republicans. Removing them is the best thing tactically to do. On the other hand. If you can easily replace a democrat obstructionist with a supportive democrat, DO IT!

      You have been AMAZING!!! my people. Don't loose heart. You knew it wasn't going to be easy saving the World. :-)

      God Bless You

      jacksmith — Working Class

      I REST MY CASE (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/25/why-markets-cant-cure-healthcare/)

      Republican Senators up for re-election in 2010.

      * Richard Shelby of Alabama

      * Lisa Murkowski of Alaska

      * John McCain of Arizona

      * Mel Martinez of Florida

      * Johnny Isakson of Georgia

      * Mike Crapo of Idaho

      * Chuck Grassley of Iowa

      * Sam Brownback of Kansas

      * Jim Bunning of Kentucky

      * David Vitter of Louisiana

      * Kit Bond of Missouri

      * Judd Gregg of New Hampshire

      * Richard Burr of North Carolina

      * George Voinovich of Ohio

      * Tom Coburn of Oklahoma

      * Jim DeMint of South Carolina

      * John Thune of South Dakota

      * Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas

      * Bob Bennett of Utah

    23. James Herrington - F says:

      Why is there not more commentary about the fate of seniors under obamacare? That should be the subject of a national ad campaign and included in the talking points of all Conservatives. Everyone has a parent and other relatives that would become in peril under obamacare.

    24. Joan Sarasota FL. says:

      Obama has made it quite clear where he is taking this country. Members of my family have fought in every war we have fought in. What he wants is like spitting on all their graves. God help us all.

    25. John Rosky Andover, says:

      I just read this morning that all the interns that come out of medical school and go to hospitals and clinics are paid thur the Medicare system and not the hospitals and clinics. Who was the idiot that set this up, when these people also get paid from Medicare for the services they provide. No wander the AMA supports this joke of a bill. The interns are made to work 80 hours a week at a $40,000 per year salary. Then you wander why there are so many lawsuits.

    26. HSR0601 says:

      A pay for outcome / value payment system, key to the deficit-neutral, might be capable of bringing all groups together.

      Supporters of the agreement say it could save the Medicare System more than $100 billion a year and 'improve' care, that means more than $1trillian over a decade, and virtually needs no other resources including tax on the wealthiest. (Please visit http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?stor… for detailed infos).

      As much as 30 percent of all health-care spending in the U.S. -some $700 billion a year- may be wasted on tests and treatments that do not improve the health of the recipients,” Thus the remaining $239 billions over a decade do not matter.

      Dr. Armadio at Mayo clinic says, "If we got rid of that stuff, we save a third of all that we spend and that is 2.5 trillion dollars on health care. A third of that and that is 700 billion dollars a year. That covers a lot of uninsured people."

      1. There is no need for infighting and class conflict.

      2. It can satisfy revenue-neutral raised by the Republicans.

      3. It is able to resolve the regional disparity.

      4. It may bring the private insurers to competition, innovation.

      5. The focus on 'outcome' over volume can make the practitioners more accurate and creative based on IT SYSTEM and evidence, while eliminating the additional, unnecessary care that is increasing patients' pains, frustrations, and possible side-effects.

      6. It undoubtedly allows for massive medical job creation.

      7. The desperate people will get back American dream.

      THANK YOU !

    27. Frances Roach, Abile says:

      I would like for all federal employees, including congress to try out Obama care for a few years and get back to us. How does having a beer in the white house encourage anything but bad habits? I think it is nothing short of cheapening our capital (again). The president needs to leave the policeman alone – he doesn't need any teaching or training.

    28. J.C. Hughes, Texas says:

      Peter Singer said “The task of health care bureaucrats is then to get the best value for the resources they have been allocated.”? Whattttt? So the government can decide who gets care according to costs? Yet private insurers are publicly chastised for doing the same? As far as Obama's plan on "killing" Medicare, I'll have to agree but on different grounds. My firm belief is that all social programs such as entitlements belong to the individual states. The federal government needs to pull their paws completely out while directing their sole focus on national security. Of course, getting Chicago insiders to go along with such an idea is like asking professional con-artists to play fair.

    29. jim sardis,ms says:

      there is more fraud in current Medicare,Medicaid and the VA than it will cost to change the plan and create more cost to administer the new program and cut quality of health care to it's patients.if the government cannot run the current systems they do not need control of anything else until they do.AARP is a sellout to seniors and is trying to buy the government to control available health care and premium cost.i pay about$100/mo for Medicare part 'b' and it pays nothing for me since i only go the doctor four times a year.it takes the last visit to get the deductible paid.i pay for the doctor visits myself.why do i need to give the government $1300/year for them to let someone steal it?i don't need the insurance and if they ration my care why do i have to pay for it?the illegals and people on welfare don't pay for anything and don't pay SS or health care.what a sweet deal.

    30. Bob Veigel, Arlingto says:

      It is not just seniors, it is everyone. Obama's agenda is dangerous and destructive.

    31. Christopher Popham S says:

      My grandmother used to swear by AARP and she was a

      staunch Republican! And so today, the President,

      in all his wisdom, is addressing the AARP, a few

      selected members and anyone else interested in listening to this webcast.

      I joined up with his organization a few years ago.

      They are non profit. They have a magazine and they

      send you constant entreaties to sign up for every

      conceivable kind of insurance policy in the world.

      After due consideration and discussions with friends, who consider AARP to be far too leftist,

      I ended my subscription (membership). I no longer

      saw anything worthwhile in being associated with

      AARP. Maybe some folks find it to be helpful, but

      after learning of their support for HR3200, it only confirmed my misgivings about AARP. It should

      be interesting to see just how scripted and rehearsed this webcast will be. I have a dentist

      appointment, so I won't be tuning in.

    32. Mike Rapkoch, Billin says:

      Every factual statement in this article is true; proven by the language of the healthcare bill(s) under consideration. But the facts are on the surface. The deeper meaning of the "rationing" of healthcare, especially for the old or the infirm, is so wicked that anyone wishing to understand the bottom line on Obamacare must study carefully the writings of supporters of the measures. Moreover, each person is duty bound to exercise right reason in analyzing the end sought by Obama and "thinkers" like Peter Singer.

      Please, folks, read and red pencil Singer's New York Times article entitled "Why We Must Ration Healthcare." Pay particular attention to the philosophical basis for Singer's argument. Then you will see the nihilistic underpinnings of leftist healthcare reform. The reform the left desires is embedded in the philosophy of nothingness which begins by equalizing human beings out of existence. The core of this philosophy can be found in Singer's discussion, and ridicule, of the Rabbincal teaching that if you put one human life on a scale and the rest of the world on the other side of the scale the scale is balanced equally. This is Judeo-Christian humanism taught, believed, proven by prophets, theologians, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Jesus for thousands of years.

      Singer thinks this view silly, and he has lots of company, living and dead. The destruction of this view i.e. personalism) was at the heart (perhaps a very poor choice of words) of Jacobinism and the French Revolution. As Edmund Burke explained in ripping through the philosophy of the Jacobins, to them "A man is but an animal." To Singer, Obama, etc. this is a truism–except that it does not apply to them since they are Nietzsche's "ubermen." They will lead us to the nihilist's promised land.

      The goal of reform as it applies to the elderly, disabled, and other undesireables is first to inculcate an attitude of "they must die." The next sinister step, already fixed in the minds of the nihilists, is to show their "mercy" for these "worn out animals" by forcibly putting them to death. "After all," we will soon hear them say, "although we feel no special solicitude towards these subcreatures, in our goodness we don't want them to suffer so," at some arbitrary point prescribed by the government,we will poison them–the mercy we now show a dog."

      Make no mistake, the nihilists are hard at the task of "cleansing" the species, a "reform," not of healthcare but of human kind. Obama, together with his new Himmlers like Singer, are motivated by a set of beliefs so horrifying that if we don't fight now we die later. I don't know who really said it, FDR as many claim, or someone who loved his neighbor, but it is eternally true: "It is far better to die on one's feet (fighting evil)then live (briefly) on one's knees."

    33. Lynn B. DeSpain says:

      With all the Baby Boomers dead, who is there left to oppose Obama? Perhaps this is why he so stronly wants his "New Health Care System.

      Hozro

    34. Lee-White Tanks AZ says:

      A "lively and honest" debate hosted by that nest if liberal vipers the AARP and "answeres" by President Teleprompter.

      You have got to be kidding. When is this marathon of lies going to be over. This thing is DOA, at least as currently written.

      PC is Thought Control

      LEE

    35. A. Terranova, Ormond says:

      Dear "jacksmith",

      I have no idea where you are getting your information but I can assure you that what you espouse in your comment is totally fallacious. One: The Obama health care plan, in Obama's own words, is a health INSURANCE plan, not a health CARE plan. It's purpose is: First, to redistribute monies from those who have insurance and want to keep it over to those who feel they are "entitled" to have others pay for the insurance they believe they should receive from people like me and all the others who PAY for their insurance. Since the government will do what they did to the automobile companies, there won't be any competition; we will have a government option ONLY. Second, people like me who pay their own way are happy to do so because we have the best insurance (except for those like Mr. Obama)because we have the best trained and qualified doctors available and we have access to the best health care under our plan. Well trained doctors in the U.S. are highly educated, highly intelligent, highly capable and take an oath which states, "first do no harm". If you can find a place on this planet where you can receive better health CARE, then I suggest you go there. My son, who completed a urology fellowship (after having spent 4 years of medical school and 5 years in a urology residency program) is certified to perform transplant surgery with the most advanced, sophisticated equipment and expertise available anywhere in the world. He has patients from foreign countries coming to the U.S. to see him because they are unable to receive needed treatment in their own countries under a failed nationalized health system. Third: Obama care is not targeted to care for anyone; it is targeted toward the elimination of care especially for certain groups (like the unborn, the critically and chronically ill and the elderly.) People like me will be paying for services we can never receive BUT WILL BE RECEIVED by others whom Mr. Obama and his monstrous covey of federal bureaucrats will dictate and designate as worthy.

      The Obama plan is a plan that will cause total disaster in the health care arena. It will not only ration care, IT WILL ELIMINATE QUALITY CARE. Have you experienced care from physicians who have minimal qualification (many of these aren't even board certified)? Perhaps you need to reassess this situation and put your political biases aside. Real health care costs an enormous amount of money. Unless EVERYONE PAYS (and that includes those politicians, federal workers, union workers, Medicaid and Medicare recipients and those who can afford to pay but choose not to), AND EVERYONE is charged the SAME AMOUNT of money for the SAME SERVICES RENDERED, nationalized health care is a political ruse and should be summarily dismissed on the grounds that would be totally biased on the basis of race, cronyism and arbitrary and capricious behavior.

    36. Wallyblu, Zion, IL says:

      I am a AARP Tax preparer Volunteer and have given many hours to the AARP Foundation over the years.

      NO MORE!

    37. Mary Kirves , Georgi says:

      AARP has been socialistic for a long time. We used to be members and the magazines would come and they always backed the socialistic people. Their insurance programs are much more expensive the the Medicare Advantage program we have and other than a copay on Dr. visits and some tests, we get great medical care. I pray that this horrific healthcare plan will not pass. Obama wants to destroy our way of life in the USA. I think he is an illegal President, I think he is a Marxist, I think he is not qualified to be President. He never ran a business, but he is running the banks, the auto businesses and trying to run healthcare. He was barely a Senator and only spent 105 days in the Senate. He is a community organizer,( ACORN) which is getting a lot of money for nothing out of the healthcare plan. They should be disbaned, and never be allowed to work the elections, healthcare, or any other service. I am fed up and if this so called healthcare passes, I may try to find another place to live. I would hate to leave this country, but we are having tyranny. Freedom is going down the drain. Wake up America.

    38. daddy3d says:

      jacksmith

      Would you like to name the 36 other nations you say have better healthcare than ours!!!!! I bet you can't!!!!

    39. J. White, south Jers says:

      Does anything that this Empty Suit does surprise you?

      If you were among the dupes who voted for this now obvious fraud, then you can look in the mirror and remind yourself that your wife's imminent death of cancer which could have been stopped and let her recover was stopped by some incompetent government twit who's job obviously is to see that us older folks die off rapidly as possible. Do I hear echoes of "Soylent Green"?

      "Assimov's "Pebble in the Sky"??

      This bill is an absolute outrage, and I cannot fathom why any Democrat with an ounce of brains

      [Oops, there I go again giving credit where credit is not due.] could possibly vote for this obvious throw back to the failed Soviet system. Even THEY are laughing at the USA. BUT, they forget one thing just barely half of us voted this person into office…and we can vote him out.

      As for Congress, why are WE letting some 535 incompetent buffoons ruin our country? THEY work for US. In 2010, we absolutely must remove at least half of these excuses for "public servants", from their high and lofty aeries.

      Then, in 2012, remove the rest, then the Fraud as well, and then make a plethora of "Executive Orders" to totally unbdue anything that he has done. Expand the military and nullify his "national police farce" or there will be riots the likes of which have not been seen before.

      This so-called government-run healthcare bill is the tip of an insidious iceberg of the potential destruction of this nation

    40. Foster Hurley says:

      Why is no one talking about the most current mandate put upon us by the US government that has been a total disaster? It is an indicator for how disastrous the health care reform by the government will be. What am I referring to? The change to digital TV!! This is still a disaster that has been quashed in the news. There are millions of people without TV because the process of converting is not near as 'easy' as the government promised! Converter boxes don't work, or aren't compatible with the tvs, antennas aren't strong enough, the digital signals are still too weak, etc etc etc. No one knows about this because it is not being reported by the press. I guess they don't want to remind people about what a failure the government is at anything it does.

    41. Crazy Lover says:

      Only thing these beltway morons understand is power, the power to remove them from office and force them out to the real world of seeking jobs.

      That being said…….millions of our fellow Americans should march to Washington. Fill up every available space carry millions of placards demanding a return to a conservative constitutional way of government. At the rate MaoBama and his ilk are going the stars and stripes will soon be no more and the hammer and sickle will rise as it once did over the former soviet union. Wake up America…your country is being taken over under cover of night….and hardly a word is spoken. Lenin Trotsky and Stalin would be so proud of our new names…….commrades.

    42. GBear, Sun Lakes, AZ says:

      AARP started out in the Insurance business and I am sure is one of the groups exempt from any of profit limitations that will be slapped on other companies selling Health or Long Term Care Insurance. Lastly we see the slime of Chicago Politics in Action on a daily basis. For the guy the Media Lauds as the "Highest IQ ever to be in the White House", he sure gets away with some "stupid remarks".

    43. George Pinell, Zilla says:

      I received an email today from AARP advising me of the "town meeting" which I did not watch as I belive the meeting to be a farce and more propaganda from AARP and the Administration. What I did do was call AARP and cancelled my membership for both me and my wife.

      For some reason I had thought AARP cared about Senior Citizens and what was good for us.

      Their support of this ObamaCare shows that they are only interested in following their liberal agenda.

      This "Healthcare" bill is NOT going to help Seniors.

      This is going to hurt seniors. We will be rationed, we wont get the care we need and deserve. We will be forced to pay higher premiums once the Medicare Advantage plan is no longer available.

      I urge all of you to write your congressman and senators and let them know how you feel about this bill. Also contact all of your friends and relatives and have them do the same thing.

      Then anyone you suspect might be a member of AARP encourage them to call and cancel their membership. At least AARP might get the message that the seniors are not nit wits who swallow everything they put out to the seniors.

      We must get our message out!!!

      Thanks for reading my comments.

      George

    44. Lori, Irvine, Calif says:

      I love it, I write Senator Feinstein expressing my strong disapproval of Cap and Tax, she writes back advising me that she knows better but thanks for the letter anyway……….who do they work for……themselves and Pelosi…..makes me sick.

    45. Mike Sheahen, Hickor says:

      Is there no question of the need for reform in the healthcare system in the U.S?

      Yes, and no, depending upon what part, in what way, and how.

      For examples: Does our healthcare, the best and most life-saving healthcare in the world (which the overwhelming majority of people from elsewhere, of all income levels from "dirt poor" to not so poor, risk anything or everything to come here and get instead of staying or going elsewhere [such as Britain, Canada, or Mexico]), need to be reformed through yet another government take-over by power and money-grabbing politicians and their bureaucrats taking control and thus ruining it? No, evidently and obviously not.

      But does reform to our healthcare system, as it has become to this day, riddled by costly, inefficient, and counterproductive government meddling and control, and does tort reform to put an end to court system clogging, costly, even frivolous, and defamatory "1-800-SUE-Them" lawsuits, which causes such as doctors engaging in unnecessary (and therefore unnecessarily costly) testing because they live in such constant fear of such lawsuits, does such reform need to happen?

      In a word, the answer to that question about the need for reform of both our healthcare and legal system, not our healthcare, is: Yes.

      So the essential thing about this is threefold:

      1. While there is, in extremely few ways, need for reform to our healthcare system in the U.S, such as the two (2) reforms pointed out above, our healthcare is, as of yet, the best, most life-saving in the world.

      2. Our as of yet significantly private, free market, healthcare in the U.S. is indeed, as of yet, the best, most life-saving healthcare in the world, for which even the overwhelming majority of people from elsewhere have risked, and continue to risk, anything or everything to come here to get, including having their lives saved, instead of staying and waiting where they are or going elsewhere, such as where they already have the already shown and proven even deadly nightmare of so-called "Socialized"/"Universal"/"free" government-controlled healthcare with it's inevitable "what's cheapest for the system" rationing and otherwise preventable sickness and death through such government bureaucratic "cost-cutting" rationing.

      3. As for "We must do something and do something now (such as by August {next month] of this year [2009])!", it is as the following truisms go, and continue to be true: "It is worse to do something now to do something now and so wreak more havoc than it is to do nothing longer and so prevent more havoc", and "That done in haste is regretted at length", and, as Thomas Jefferson said, "Was government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now" (as in wretched, as in a deplorable state of distress or misfortune, as in trapped in a mortally lethal coil of disease and death which couldn't otherwise be caused or forced by government to be the case).

      So, instead of "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" by allowing government elitist and statist power and money-grabbing politicians and their bureaucrats to perpetrate yet another government take over, this time of both our own personal healthcare and our healthcare system, and so allow them to take away and destroy yet another of our most personal choices and freedoms, including our choices and relationships with our doctors, and inevitably impose government bureaucratic rationing of any healthcare to us (thus also deciding in yet another way when and of what we die), we, the people, must instead stop yet another such take over by government, and agree on what few reforms need to happen to our healthcare system, starting with the restraining instead of completing government meddling and control, and tort reform such as disallowing court system clogging, costly, even frivolous and defamatory lawsuits which, same as government meddling and control, also actually causes both tangible and intangible costs to increase.

      Otherwise, we are surrendering ourselves, our freedoms, and our lives, including those of "senior citizens", whom our at least formerly wise and compassionate society should value, and has valued, too much to do so, to otherwise avoidable sickness, and even death, through government control and inevitable rationing of healthcare.

    46. novadine says:

      Obama definitely has an agenda and controlling health care is a big part of it. Radical environmentalist love the ideal of less people, young and old. The duty to die part of this bill is real and if it has to be tapped down for now to get this passed, it will be. Later, several years down the road, it will be apparent this will be part of our health-care, (saves money by withholding life saving medical care past a certain age…and, gets rid of all those extra carbon footprints.) The AARP sure has sold it's seniors down the river. Hey, if the liberals have no respect for babies, why would we think they care about the other spectrum of life? At least the Federal employees and their family are exempt from obamacare. Unions? Acorn? How about you?

    47. Faye in Tucson, AZ says:

      Every one of us should be calling or emailing our congressmen with two questions: "HAVE YOU READ THE HEALTHCARE BILL (over a thousand pages)? IF NOT, HOW CAN YOU ADVOCATE AND SIGN A BILL YOU HAVE NOT READ?"

    48. cynthia overland san says:

      I am gratified to see many 50+ citizens telling AARP good bye. I dropped out the first year. They are a huge lobby who looks after itself, not the citizens it's supposed to "represent." They have turned, unfortunately, the same way unions have. Started out being a worthy thing, then the hunger for power took over and to hell with the folks. All ex-AARPers should enlighten their friends because the "gray" vote is very powerful, only they tend to reflexively vote according to AARP thinking they have their best interests at heart. They DONT!! I send my monthly renewal notice back each month with a scathing comment. Doesn't do any good; they keep sending it; but I feel better!

    49. BB12, NJ says:

      Shame on AARP for supporting this diaster. They no longer stand up for the elderly….I will no longer support them.

    50. Jack Cannon says:

      I dropped AARP twenty years ago-They still send offers to join. send them back unsigned..prepaid envelope. It's keeps someone working

    51. beenduped, AZ says:

      Dear Jacksmith,

      I thought the Democrats didn't need the Republicans to push through their Health Care mandate. Democratic Majority and all. They control the Vote. It is the Responsible Blue Dog Democrats that have stalled the bill. Rightfully so..with serious questions.

      The Bill is Unsustainable. According to the Congressional Budget Office.

      This Bill is Not Health Care Reform,

      It is Health Care Destruction.

      Vote your Democratic representative out of office if they vote for this Bill.

      AARP does Seniors a disservice in giving support for this bill.

      Wake up and call your representatives.

      Vote NO.

      It took Obama 6 months to decide on his dog. But he wants Congress to vote on a Historic Bill in 3 weeks.

      What is His Rush???

    52. Reuben Kansas says:

      I will drop my membership with aarp if they are supporting obamacare.

    53. John, Colorado says:

      Obama and the people behind him are not fools.

      They are out to destroy the USA.

    54. Bev, Alaska says:

      What we really need is Tort reform (which Congress hates) and to be allowed, right off the top whether you itemize or not, is to take all: out of pocket medical, dental, audio, visual expenses, insurance premiums, long term care premiums, etc. off your taxable income. This would encourage folks to by into health insurance. A health saving account that is non-taxable is also a good idea.

    55. Jackie Smith, Jackso says:

      Please don't confuse me with jacksmith. I am a dedicated conservative.

      To jacksmith: You are an obvious left wing liberal, and the AARP is leaning more and more to the left, too. If you would take ten seconds to really look at the situation, you'd be able to see that this socialist, marxist, Chicago rabble rouser, poor excuse of a president is trying to sell us all a bill of goods (as well as selling us down the river). He is killing the economy of this country. Being from Texas, I am going to join the movement to encourage Gov. Perry to secede from what will be left of the US of A. There won't be much of it left worth fighting for by the time he and the other rabid liberals get through with it.

    56. P.J., Ohio says:

      This is terrifying! I had the experience of living under the British NHS health care for six yrs. The hospitals were very antiquated. They crammed patients into wards, were short staffed, the doctors and nurses were striking for better salaries and benefits. There were huge waiting lists for anything considered elective surgeries, including things like joint replacements, because they weren't immediately life threatening. My baby became ill. My doctor told me he needed emergency care. I went to three different hospitals, none in my area (it had been closed due to NHS budget cuts) and after about ten hours, I was told by a doctor who barely spoke English, that my baby wasn't that sick. She offered to take me to the ICU and morgue to show me what sick babies looked like and called me a spoiled American. I watched both of my elderly inlaws die because they were too old to try to save. My mother in law was 62 and her husband was 70. The people of this country better wake up. I have many more stories, but can't write a book in a day…

    57. Wilfranc, TriCities says:

      I found the following Laws of Politics a while back on the internet and it makes sense that it is easier to take over and change an existing organization than to start from scratch. The Sierra Club is an example as is Greenpeace. When membership is easy, the organization is vulnerable to being a host to a leach. I think AARP follows this pattern. The persons running the organization obviously do not have EMPATHY for the constituents they lobby for. AARP is a front for the persons who take the dues and get paid to run it.

      Robert Conquest's Three Laws of Politics:

      1. Everyone is conservative about what he knows best.

      2. Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing.

      3. The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies.

      Milt Friedman also indicated a govt. bureacrat spends money so it works out eventually to benefit himself.

      There isn't a health care crisis. It is a political crisis for the president and his party wrapped in health care talk. The child poverty crisis due to divorce or illegitamacy is larger.

      I listened to a little of his townhall, explaining how diabetes should be controlled and it struck me that he came across like a Saturday Night Live comedian. What makes anyone take him seriously in his micromanagment explainations of health care delivery systems? He has zero experience in this area. I just wish he would quit talking to us like we were all born yesterday.

      He will be like Carter, not Clinton. Carter persisted in believing he was so smart, he could deal in minutia. Obama suffers from thinking small about big things too. He may get what he wants, but we'll all pay to stroke his ego.

    58. Charles Brown Louisv says:

      Some fool above blames the Republicans, I say THROW every Liberal Democrat up for re-election out in 10. Stop this socialist fool, we have the best health care in the world. No one has been refused health care, ever heard of University Hospital, here in Louisville. They are the BEST TRAMA center in the state, no one is refused care, they can make arrangements to pay, or if poor, not pay at all. This idiot above who thinks this joker of a President can solve anything, look around. 20+% unemployment, people losing their homes, he is taking over car companies(Obama Motors, formerly GM), Zars, vacations in multi million dollar homes, all the while he and his Democrat Ilk are destroying this great nation. He is the absolute WORST President in my lifetime and I remember Truman, a GREAT MAN, typical socialist, the leaders get all the money, the peasants get nothing! I have a better idea, shut this guy down, let these Senators know, if they screw up our health care, we are going to FIRE the whole group. Thank God for the Blue Blood Democrats and Republicans. God Bless America!!

    59. rtravis, Texas says:

      jacksmith & Tim Johnson,

      What planet are you on?

    60. carole....Pennsylvan says:

      well there goes Mr. Arlen Specter, he is a cancer patient, is 79 years old, guess we just let him 'pass on' oHhhhh that right he is a Senator and they have their own special all paid health care, they won't be forced to eat what Nancy is cooking…

      2010 can't get here fast enough for me…as for AARP, they will get a call from my hubby and I tomorrow, I've been throwing their magazine in the trash for the past two years…tomorrow we will withdraw our membership

    61. carole....Pennsylvan says:

      just remove my comment..you don't need to print it…since my comment is currently undergoing moderation…this is the first time I visited your site, sorry if my comments weren't up to snuff!

      • Conn Carroll Conn Carroll says:

        Carole-
        There was nothing wrong with your comment and we did publish it. We do not have staff working 24 hours a day to approve comments. We try and get to them when we can. Please do come back and comment again.
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        -Conn

    62. BBaker, Texas says:

      Has anyone remembered that part of the reason that healthcare has risen so high is because of political promises about 10 years ago? The politicains were going to make sure that all of those without coverage were given access to coverage. So if an employee was offered coverage the family was entitled to coverage without consideration of medical history. The insurance carriers had a fit and then agreed that if they had to insure the families that the most that they were allowed to raise the premium was 65% (basically hoping that if they made it high enough that no one would take it and they could limit their risks.) But in the end most families took the expensive coverage offered. Also, has anyone seen the lavish conventions that insurance companies have? There are plenty of profits – all the way from the fees the carriers charge to service the contracts to the big commissions and bonuses the sales reps get. If these were scaled back just a tad – the excess would be shocking.

    63. Mike, Sacramento says:

      Dear Jacksmith,

      Sorry to break it too you, but it is not Republicans that are slowing up this bill, remember EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN and 7 Democrats in the House voted against the Porkulus bill, and in the Senate all but 3 Republicans voted against it, and they could do nothing to even slow it down. How in the world can the Republicans, with two less seats in the Senate(as The Al Franken has finally been seated, and Arlen Spector has switch sides) do anything to stop or slow this… the fact is they CAN'T. The Truth is the reason this is being held up is because it is so bad that DEMOCRATS are trying to kill it.

    64. poppyal1, Indiana says:

      If this obamacare bill passes, it will be the beginning of a very bad situation. I believe that there are millions of people that don't even know how terrible it is – and even more that don't know about it at all. But, if this passes and people begin to find out the truth about it, there will be a rebellion in this country that will not be a very pretty sight. And no one in Washington will be able to stop it. If obama should order the military to protect him against the American people, he will find that our men and women in uniform fight FOR our country, not AGAINST our country. The American people as a whole are getting fed up with this type of garbage politics and almost everything our present government does. I believe that it is illegal to help someone commit suicide, and if obama and/or any of his cronies try to push that on our American seniors, they should be ousted from their positions and dealt with as common criminals. And as I sit here and consider what I am typing, I am thinking that maybe an extremely strong all-out vicious rebellion may be exactly what our United States of America needs. When the people of America are victorious we will then have our Country back – and it will be ruled by the people and the decent individuals that are elected to represent the people.

      Sorry for carrying on so badly, but something has got to be done. And whatever the people choose to do needs to take place soon, before it's too late and we are at war among ourselves. Freedom, as we have come to know it, is just about gone. Whether it is our choice of health care or any other issue, the obama regime will take it away from us and we will have nothing. DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN. Contact everybody that you can in Washington (and at their homes) to put down this bill or suffer the consequences.

    65. Jon D., Houston says:

      Seniors will be murdered, and their assets seized for the good of the Obama thugs. When is he going to come for you? Take as many with you as you can, if push comes to shove. Start with House and senate members that support this mass murder. If you are in long term care, you are dead. And don't forget, once in place the age limit will be lowered regularly so if you are fifty and in good health, but chubby, you are next. Enjoy.

      And to all my friends and family that voted for Obama, thanks for signing my death warrant.

      May God have mercy on us all.

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    68. Sarah Yarbrough, Can says:

      I CHOSE not to have Medicare "B" and "D". I was "almost" threatened by Medicare and the government by "what it will cost for me to "buy" in if I decide to get Medicare at a later date.

      Here comes the kicker…KEEP MY PRIVATE INSURANCE NOW!!!… I have been told by my insurance company (same monthly premiums as before I turned 65) that Medicare "A" will now become my PRIMARY (period…whether I like it or NOT!). I rarely go to a doctor…my choice…but I did have an occasion to go last year and I considered a new doctor. I called and his reception said and I QUOTE "We do NOT TAKE patients over 65" They didn't say "no Medicare patients"…they just said No patients over 65!!

      When I got the explanation of benefits after I had seen the doctor…mind you, I don't have "B" The new "explanation" said "We cover only the SAME as Medicare"

      So much for the government saying I can keep my private insurance. MY PRIVATE INSURANCE IS BECOMING MEDICARE!!

      To me this is an insult. I consider Medicare WELFARE!! And I have NEVER BEEN ON WELFARE. But now that I am 67 it looks like I am going to be FORCED whether I like it or NOT.

      AS LONG AS WE GIVE OUR SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES HIGH SALARIES AND GOLDEN PARACHUTES AND PENSIONS LIKE THE ROYALITY THEY HAVE BECOME AFTER A COUPLE OF TERMS IN OFFICE…why should they listen to us? Even if they lose their office, they still have an income and health insurance FOR LIFE. These people then go out and make a fortune in public appearances. We not only pay for their terrible performance but keep them in "Gin and Wheaties" FOR LIFE.

      Why should they care what we have to say? Representatives stay in for 20 years and more! They are no more representative of ME than anything. Once they get to Washington, the system gives all the power to the "lifers" and the beginners get NOTHING until they prove they are going to TOW THE LINE.

      We need to clean HOUSE every two to four years and send the message to the "Statesmen" in the Senate that they also can be replaced.

      Then we need to give these ROYALS a pension that is commensurate with the job they do. How many of you get or got a pension for LIFE after 12 years of work?

      Until we the people stop allowing these GOLDEN PARACHUTE PENSIONS and perks. Why should anyone pay any attention to US? We MUST be stupid.

      As John Grisham put it with the man from the insurance company's letter to the mother: "…you are stupid, stupid, stupid!"

      Or let's hear from Forrest Gump: "Mother says 'Stupid is as stupid DOES"

      Why is the (they all are) bill over a thousand pages long?

      Because LAWYERS wrote it. "Kill all the lawyers" Shakespeare.

      As long as we continue to elect lawyers and poli-si people to represent us, we not only are not represented but there is a conflict of interests. Lawyers are professionals at verbosity and obfuscation.

      The reason the U.S. Constitution and the Bible are really so short and concise is because they were NOT written by lawyers…they were written by well educated farmers and businessmen.

      Thank you. Mr. Franklin "I give you a REPUBLIC if you can keep it."

      The very people in CONGRESS should be US…not professional lawyers and politicos. The biggest lie in the world is "Bureaucrats" That is like a businessman that says "My secretary did it!!"

      The problem isn't with the GOVERNMENT…the problem is with CONGRESS. VOTE THEM OUT AND PUT IN REAL PEOPLE…EVERY TWO YEARS OR FOUR. Then my fellow Americans, the power WILL go back to the people.

    69. Bob O'Donnell, says:

      Great article and teh folowing comments show that more people have read this bill than Congress. I especially appreciate the page by page synopsis by Richare Cancemi. I copied it and emailed it to all my relatives and firends and asked them to pass it along to their freinds and families. I also asked them to send it to their congessman and senators telling them we are sending a short synopsis of the bill "just in case they were not doing the job we elected them to do–read it in full before voting". Folks 2010 can't come soon enough. In fact, we may have already be lost down the path to left wing socialism and both parties are responsible for the incremental slide. Obama is just taking it to a higher level. It is time we send a message to our elected official by voting ALL incumbants our of office in 2010 and impeaching Obama as soon as possible thereafter.

    70. Joe Springer says:

      If AARP supports Obamas healthcare plan, I QUIT. If we continue to allow these attacks on our freedom, we are stupid. And we know that"Life is tough, it's tougher if you're stupid." WAKE UP AMERICA !

    71. Lanetta Daugherty says:

      I feel that if the government had the same standards as we do, same insurance, same laws that the choices that they made would be in favor of the entire nation. When I get a pay check, I am responsible for paying my bills with it. Nobody gives me special favors, or special insurance……………so why don't they after getting the enormous checks that they get, have to abide by the laws of this land and pay for everything out of their pockets. No special favors, no special nothing. They think they are special but that's the job they wanted…they all have the big heads and some are so old, they need to retire. Of course, if they are sick give them a pain killer. That is ridiculous……..I have paid my dues and if I live to be 150, then I should have treatment just like if I was 10 years of age. I've paid, and paid, and paid. I've used very little insurance but I still have paid. The solution is to have government live like the American People, pay their bills like American People, and SERVE the American People since Americans have been serving them Gold on a Silver platter for years. WE NEED TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK. They are self-centered, money hungry mongrels.

    72. Joe Springer says:

      I realize we are not stupid , we are too smart for our own good. I agree with J.White , if you voted this guy in to office, you must be willing to pay the price. Conservatives warned all of us about Obama and what he would bring to the White house. Now that we are witnessing these attempts at socialism being played out,why are we suprised.Too many Americans believed the media lies about the war in Iraq and and Obamas lies that there was something wrong with our country and he would bring change.Believing what he said , now THAT IS STUPID!

      Now is the time than to stand shoulder to shoulder and tell Washington NO. We can not allow this to happen now and to our future generations.Write letters, make phone calls ,show up at meetings,we need to do whatever it takes to keep our freedoms . God help us , we are about too lose everything our forefathers fought and died for and people are griping about ther t.v. service.

      Politicians work for us, we don't work for them and if they can't get this right than they need to be fired. WAKE UP AMERICA

    73. Mary Bloys Plainvie says:

      For those of us over 50 (I am 78) this bill sounds like the death rattle, of our good health care. We are getting futher and futher from our standards of equal rights. May God help our leaders to give thought and pray to their votes for change.

    74. Thelma Parker says:

      We have a president who is ashamed to be an American.(If he is one). My family fought in WWII and I am proud to be an American. All the world should be greatful to the US for pulling their ass out of Hitler's rule. This Prisident is a bigger foul than Bush was but the main stream media is alowing him to make fools out of all of us. Our Congress is made up of fools and we still vote for them and let them get away with so much where are the watch dogs? Are we letting lobbiest and special interest control our lives. When a bill is not read and debated then they are not doing their jobs. To pass a bill with time limitations is stupid. Why are the Senators from California ruling the senate? Are we stupid look at California!!! Who votes for people like Polosie and Boxer? Get them out and replace them with more efficent leaders. All of Washington is sick and we need to vote them OUT.

    75. B. Hensen, Denver, C says:

      My thanks to jimsmith for providing the names of all Republicans up for reelection in 2010. I will make a contribution to each of them, in addition to all the blue-dog Democrats who are insisting that we slow down and do this job correctly! My wish is that we clean up Medicare and Medicaid, and work on tort reform first — that would eliminate a great deal of costly waste from the system. As for AARP, I have never joined and will never join — unless their focus becomes less political. They should be an organization which advocates for the benefit of the group they claim to serve! In this particular case (as in others) they have sold the interests of seniors down the river.

    76. JeffT, NY says:

      The reason no one in Congress is talking tort reform is because most of them are lawyers. "lawyer, heal thyself," is never a thought. Bottom line, this is NOT about health care. It is about getting more and more information on people, how they live their lives, and how to CONTROL every facet of our existence. The upcoming snoop-fest, know as the Census, is just another example. Totally inappropriate questions are going to be asked about your life, not about how many people live in your house. And our buddies from ACORN are going to be "helping" the administration, as per their leader and guru, Mr. B. Obama. This is what we get when dunderheads elect a "community organizer," a.k.a. rabble-rouser, as our leader.

    77. Phil La Scola, Calif says:

      I believe that no US citizen should ever be denied medical treatment. I believe receiving medical treatment should not be so costly that one is forced to loose their life savings, their home or be forced into bankruptcy.

      The first issue is that of the individual who cannot get insurance because of a pre-existing condition. Someone has to pay the medical expense for these citizens and since the insurance companies won't come to the table, state government should impose a tax on them to fund the cost of their care.

      In California, all insurance companies who write health policies pay a 2.35% tax on every dollar of premium they collect. The state should raise this tax by 1.00% to 3.35% and use the funds to pay the reasonable and customary medical expenses for those qualified state residents who cannot get insurance because of a pre-existing condition. All states hould implement this program and insurance companies should pay a premium tax to each state based on the state of residence of the policyholder.

    78. N Benner Brooklyn says:

      I think this bill is the craziest thing that's come along in years, as it is there are many seniors that are struggling just becuse of a money issue & also the health sysytem itself is so dumb in most cases, the dumb loophole, I have friend that when she got stuck in that mess is took almost amost everything she had to get out of it, I think the current system is the one that needs fixing not dreaming up new ones that will really create havoc, quit giving every Tom Dick & Harry that comes along Social Security & giving it to people that aren't really looking to improve themselves & just living off the land so to speak, we're paying for this kind of crap & it's been going on far to long,

    79. Beverly, Connecticut says:

      The hope and change platform used by our now leader were key words that the American people saw as positive. He and his people are very clever, using techniques to swing the people to his way. He has succeeded so far. He and his people are following a long time plan to destroy America and eliminate as many people as possible. This is not a Democratic or Republican issue. All our miseries are coming from within our government and those dictating the rules. The various inserts from the Health destruction bill are terrifying. Somewhere there is a ruling about our leader enacting mandatory vaccinations if a health emergency arises. Why do you think there is so much hype about the upcoming swine flu. If you seek info you will find it was created and released to see what would happen, put fear into the peoples of the world and enact laws so this fall vaccinations would be available. Sorry, they are toxic and long term will make us sick and then we have the health care bill that will say no to health care!!! The first to receive up to four shots are our children in the new school system coming up. Please be aware that this is a fraud for $$$, not caring for our people. A test on just what this stuff will do in our bodies. While our internet is still available to us, please find out what these vaccinations are all about. It is not to save or protect! We are all in danger!!! As far as a revolt, they actually want this to mandate marshal law which will stop all of our constitutional rights, possibly forever. Everything is being done quickly to get power into place. I guess the only thing is to get the truth out to as many as possible. I'm scared too.

      May God help us all!

    80. Roger S., Ma. says:

      Richard Cancemi: Great job on a "lovely" list, and thanks for sharing it.

      Where did Congress pick up this crapola? To me it sounds like something copied straight out of a former Soviet Union health-care guide. Or is it perhaps the product of the great "modern mind" of our eminent Princeton scholar, Peter Singer, who has the gall to dignify what he does in academia with the otherwise noble name of "the study of ethics"? My view is that he's just copying from the former Nazi Euthanansia Program doctor's manual. That doesn't take much "mind" at all.

      What gets me is that a very large number of our 535 elected representatives actually believe any of this garbage would be "good" for their constituents. They evidently do, else why discuss any of it? To top it, this will cost a bundle, but even if it were "free", nobody in his right mind would of their own free will submit to any of it. I just don't get. Have we already been "dumbed down" this much?

      I, for one, shall consider anybody coming to my front door without my expressed invitation to "discuss my end-of-life options" to be no different than your garden-variety armed thug and treat him/her accordingly. Consider this a solemn oath combined with the prayer that it be somebody from ACORN, or perhaps the great "Pervesser" Singer himself might be first! I will consider it self-defense!

      Oh, by the way, jacksmith, if you really think any of this is good (I think you do. I think you're an ACORN plant? No?) then I pray that you will be one of the first to find out how it feels to have a jackboot placed on your neck when somebody you don't even know thinks your time's up ! Enjoy!

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    82. Steven J., Michigan says:

      After reading what Richard Cancemi, Arlington, Tx writes (Thank you for reading what our elected officials won't) I cannot believe ANYONE that is a senior citizen would want what the Government wants to jam down our throats.

      This bill is right out of the minds of a Fascist.

      I have thought our government was now run by Marxists, those that hate Capitalism, but after reading what is in this bill, I now believe we are just this side of a Fascist government.

      Wake up America! We can't wait to throw these Fascists out of office. We MUST stand up to those would take our freedoms and liberty away. We MUST do it NOW!

      'End of Life Counseling?" This is nothing less than the dying rooms of the movie 'Soylent Green'.

    83. Richard Vettraino.Ph says:

      Obama is changing the USA into the USSR.Do you really think the elections in 2010 are going to change anything with the likes of "Acorn and its Affilates".I think the FREE thinking people in this country in the not too far future may have to do what the colonist did 235 years ago,if the terrorist and or Iran don't do us in first.

    84. NOBamaNoMo, Mesa, AZ says:

      To "jacksmith". You are not fooling anyone Barack, we know it is you saying all thos nice things about Republicans. I am surprised that a dumbercrat would be so kind.

    85. bebe in texas says:

      I'm a babyboomer and not dead yet but,looks like Obama is sending us to the grave before our time.He needs to really look over Healthcare package hard.1st need to clean house & senate members 65+ relook @ income,need only be in office 2yr term.Need clean up medicade people who abuse it that we tax pyers pay for.So many can work and dont because there lazy.We need to take care of our men & women who fight for our freedom(military),our eldery ( and yes you will be ther someday) START AT THE TOP TO BOTTOM NOT AT THE BOTTOM TO TOP AND THATS WHAT YUR DOING.PLEASE CALL YOU SENATORS VOTE NO TO THIS HEALTHCARE PKG—-WAKE UP AMERICA

    86. Concerned citizen &a says:

      still moderating ?Who is in charge of approving and

      moderating comments ?Govt. paid "volunteers"? It has been 5 hrs

      since I posted my comments…nothing obscene but I wouldn't say

      them to my mother since she never wants to discuss politics. "Be

      happy,don't worry!" is her motto and I guess that has contributed

      to her physical and mental health. She still plays tennis,bowls weekly,belongs to a neighborhood book club, dinner club ,garden

      club and is a MEALS- ON- WHEELS VOLUNTEER DRIVING A SPORTY RED

      SATURN ION and she is 90 yrs young!

    87. MsSilentNoMore says:

      Yes, Jacksmith, obviously you have been drinking form the Obama coolaid or smooking crack or both. It is obvious that you are one of the liberal bloggers that obama regularly conferences with. Where are you getting your numbers/facts from, fantasy land? If they were from any viable sources you would have identified them. You are the idiot! I do thank you for the Republican list I will donate to each and everyone of them. It is obvious that you have not even read the bill.

    88. Jim Brunner says:

      Edward Gersten writes that if the UHC plan is so good why don't the Senators and Congresspeople have the same plan???

      DING….DING….DING….

      Edward, that is precisely the same plan the the Senate and Congress has had for years!!! And precisely the same plan people have demanded for themselves for years. I can tell you're listening to the right wing radicals again….and it looks to me that they aren't serving YOU too well!!!

      Now…..what do you think??

    89. Walter Skinner - Ale says:

      It matters not which politician is pushing for more government; I'm against it. But what ought to rankle each and every red-blooded, patriotic American is BHO's bullrushing of every piece of legislation that gives government (especially at the federal level) more and more power to intervene in every phase of our lives. What we're witnessing in the current political arean is a blatant and obvious march toward Socialism. Socialism has never worked wherever and whenever it has been tried. Socialism's victims (they're not citizens nor even people – they're 'things' to be exploited) never prosper. Prosperity only happens to Socialism's purveyors. In the end Socialistic programs grievously harm rather than heal.

      Barack Hussein Obama is and has been an out and out Socialist. He believes government can run our lives better than we can ourselves. Ayn Rand was prescient in her excellent novel, 'Atlas Shrugged.' One cannot help but know that we are living in a time prophesied in that book. It's almost as if 'Atlas Shrugged' was a history book – i.e., laying out the exact scenario for out time beforehand. In that regard, it is also a warning to all of us to be vigilant and nip such forecasted happenings in the proverbial bud.

      Liberty is at stake. Freedom hangs in the balance. The right to bear arms is under siege; our freedom of speech is being parsed; class envy has become common place and will only grow until it smothers free enterprise. There is a movement afoot to meld the United States of America into a global community that will not end well for us.

      It's time to stand up and let our voices be heard. It might be time when blood might be shed for the sake or preserving our way of living.

    90. w.ashcraft says:

      I think that if you didnt vote for mcain you are a fool.Number one mcain actually served our country in the airforce.He was also shot down and captured.He spent time as a p.o.w.and lived through the horor of it all.wow!Talk about living through some adversity.If any one earned the right to run this country of ours it should have been him.I know who I voted for!As for the obama,I think he is just another smooth talking used car salesman trying to sell us a lemon!I cant believe how naive people can be.

    91. Roger S., Ma. says:

      It's worse than that, "w.ashcraft": He's the really slick sales-type who made people believe the 5 year old jalopy with 75000 miles on it is brand new, that its abused and cantankerous engine obviously in need of valve and ring jobs sounds so rough only because they built it with a special high-performance cam, and that if you knew anything about cars, you'd know what he means and agree. Let's face it: that no-good SOB didn't miss a trick. The real hell of it, though, is that too many people keep falling for the "glitz", for his show. Seems nobody wants to see that the "glitz" is hiding what it always does, literally nothing. The show is the substance, all of it.

      The real question is, what do we do now? How do we get that message firmly into the heads of enough people so that he's out in 2012? What more disasters will have to happen that he won't be able to "spin" off on others? Only time will tell. We'll just have to keep plugging!

    92. Dottie, AZ says:

      I truly believe we have a few seniors currently on drugs and love the supplier (Medicare). Their trip will soon be over, providing they are over 65 or disabled. As for the mom of a doctor, she obviously does not talk to him. All the doctors I know, including my son, are vehemently against this plan. All decisions WILL BE MADE BY THE GOVERNMENT AND YOU HAVE NO RECOURSE…. NO SECOND PANEL, NO LAWYER, NO GRIEVANCE. If anyone voted for One Big Ass Mistake for America, they had to have seen the light…. or maybe they should continue to belong to AARP and Pelosi-Reid Fan Club. I also have a bridge to sell you… you know, to pay for my private insurance so I can continue to have a life… wake up in the morning, etc. We ousted Nixon… any ideas????

    93. Cal Florida says:

      I will support ObamaCare when the gentlemen in Congress and the Senate receive the exact same ObamaCare.We all know that will never happen…….

    94. NOBamaNoMo, Mesa, AZ says:

      Jim Brunner: What you say is BS. I just took this info from "humanevents.com" go read the rest. It sure seems that the liberals hate to rely on facts. Read it and weep.

      "Rep. John Fleming (R-La.) is a practicing family physician of 33 years. He is serving his freshman term in the House, first elected to Congress in late elections from the Bayou State in December of last year. Fleming currently practices medicine in Minden, La.

      Last week, Fleming introduced House Resolution 615 which would oblige any member of Congress voting in favor of a government run health care bill to leave their private insurance plan and join the Democrats’ “public option” boondoggle.

      Any member of Congress who votes against Obamacare wouldn’t be obliged to sign up for it but those who do, would. So far, Fleming told me, the entire Republican leadership has signed his Fleming pledge.

      I asked him how many Democrats have signed the pledge. “Despite reaching out to the Democrats, including the Speaker, we’ve had no Democrats sign up for it.”

    95. NOBamaNoMo, Mesa, AZ says:

      Jim Brunner again: Just in case you have not looked at "humanevents.com" yet, here is some more good info that you need.

      "Since he is intimately familiar with health insurance, and having recently signed up for his Congressional benefits, I asked Fleming[to]talk about claims Democrat members were making from the House floor yesterday that their health care bill would offer the same plans that a member of Congress gets to choose from.

      “That is absolutely incorrect,” Fleming said. “The public option plan is what people on Medicaid have today. Government funded, government run, government regulations, very restricted, one-size-fits-all. What we have in Congress today in the Federal Employees Benefits Plan is really an exchange. I can go on an internet site and I can choose from hundreds of private insurance plans. In fact, the private insurance plan that I’m on is Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Louisiana, which is no better, no less certainly, than any other good private plan, but it is a private insurance plan. It is not a government plan.”

    96. NOBamaNoMo, Mesa, AZ says:

      To all of you "HOPEY/CHANGEY" Dumbercrats who put this black howdy doody into office…he is sure making George Bush look good, after all howdy doody has done to put himself on a throne and put us white racists in our places. Has anyone on here considered WHERE howdy doody is going to store your medical records once they are in a huge government database? Where does Dell and Microsoft have you call when you need support? You got it! Your medical records will be stored in China and India on huge Microsoft Servers. All in the name of economics.

      Carole from PA! "moderation" is the new term that is being used for censorship. And it is not done to find terrorists plotting to blow up buildings in our country, but to make sure that we bloggers do not say anything real damaging toward our recently crowned king.

    97. Bonnie Wheeler S says:

      Tim, you have it all wrong – we do not want to see cuts for the elderly – Obama's plans will cut benefits

    98. Bill Idaho says:

      NELIA NZ

      Mayb e its all abot money.?

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