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  • Morning Bell: Obama's Empty MedPac Promise

    Americans may distrust economists, and most of them would have a rough time with an Econ 101 final exam if they had to take it today, but through everyday experience Americans also have internalized one of the most fundamental concepts of economics: there is no such thing as a free lunch. And it is because Americans instinctively believe in this fundamentally conservative concept that poll after poll shows Americans no longer trust President Barack Obama on health care. Americans know Obama is not telling the truth and that fact was crystallized in this exchange from last night’s press conference:

    JAKE TAPPER ABC NEWS: You said earlier that you wanted to tell the American people what’s in it for them, how will their family benefit from health-care reform. But experts say that in addition to the benefits that you’re pushing, there is going to have to be some sacrifice in order for there to be true cost-cutting measures, such as Americans giving up tests, referrals, choice, end-of-life care.

    When you describe health-care reform, you don’t — understandably, you don’t talk about the sacrifices that Americans might have to make. Do you think — do you accept the premise that other than some tax increases, on the wealthiest Americans, the American people are going to have to give anything up in order for this to happen?

    PRESIDENT OBAMA: They’re going to have to give up paying for things that don’t make them healthier. And I — speaking as an American, I think that’s the kind of change you want.

    In other words, Obama wants Americans to believe that his health plan covers the uninsured, improves patient care, puts “more money in people’s pockets,” all while adding nothing to the deficit. Obama is trying to convince Americans to disregard every ounce of common sense that they have and believe he is selling them an actual free lunch. Americans have every right to be skeptical. Take Obama’s claims that he can control health care costs by giving more power to a group of experts known as MedPac (Medicare Payment Advisory Commission).

    Congress already has a long track record of putting into place seemingly automatic spending reductions in health, only to block them later. For instance, Congress routinely rolls back the “sustainable growth rate” trimming of Medicare physician payments that were supposed to keep down Medicare costs. Congress similarly decided to ignore the requirement in the 2003 prescription drug legislation that it automatically consider White House proposals to limit taxpayer subsidies for Medicare. Americans have every right to be skeptical about this latest gimmick’s capacity for actually bringing down costs. If our health care spending crisis is a long-term one, like Obama says, then Americans should demand that Obama prove he can contain costs in Medicare before creating a new trillion dollar budget-busting entitlement.

    But what if Obama’s MedPac idea did work? That might be an even bigger threat to Americans’ health care. It would be the equivalent of a federal health board determining how health care was rationed for all seniors. Combined with the public plan proposal, that would be another huge lurch towards taking the control of health care out of the hands of patients and their doctors.

    Despite Obama’s constant insistence otherwise, conservatives do have an alternative vision for health care reform and do not favor the ”status quo.” For example, Obama wants one single committee of “experts” in Washington to make all medical decisions for everyone in the country. Conservatives take a polar-opposite approach. We want to rebuild the health care system from the ground up, not the top down. We want millions of Americans sitting down with their doctors and making millions of decisions every day about what procedures and treatments are best for them.  The media is right to be calling out the President for delivering false rhetoric on health care.  He’s asking us to trust him on a trillion dollar plan he has not read, and to dismiss what all Americans inherently know:  Everything has a price.

    Quick Hits:

    • According to Gallup, President Obama has net negative approval ratings on the federal budget deficit (55%-41%), health care policy (50%-44%), taxes (48%-44%), and the economy (49%-47%).
    • The House health bill allows President Obama’s taxpayer-funded public plan to pay for abortions.
    • Massachusetts universal health care plan not only has caused a $9 billion gap in the state budget, it has also led to rationing of care: one in five people has been turned away by a doctor’s office or clinic.
    • Also according to Gallup, 59% of Americans say President Obama’s proposals to address the major problems facing the country call for too much government spending, and 52% say Obama’s proposals call for too much expansion of government power.
    • ACORN filed a federal lawsuit yesterday challenging a Pennsylvania law that makes it a crime to “give, solicit or accept payment or financial incentive to obtain a voter registration if the payment or incentive is based upon the number of registrations or applications obtained.”
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    55 Responses to Morning Bell: Obama's Empty MedPac Promise

    1. Rachelle Shirley, An says:

      I wish everyone would read this!

    2. ken graff, nj says:

      The 1.5 trillion dollars for Obamas health takeover, only covers 16 million people.When he forces insurance companys out of buisness,how much will it cost to insure 300 million Americans?

    3. William Hineser, Arv says:

      This health care situation is a many edged sword.

      As a physician of 40 yrs I am looking for a way out.

      I think each congress person should spend a day at a major ER following around an ER doc and then spend a day with a family practicioner. They should see the billing. What we are really getting paid.

      How hard we work for the little we get in return.

      I am extremely busy and still have to skip paychecks to meet my bills.

      I am begining to wonder who I am really working for.

      No wonder 2 physicans leave practice for each one that starts.

      Even the conservative radio personalities I listen to don't really understand what the situation is and what is really happening.

      If this plan goes through we will lose a lot of docs and they will be come very selective about who they treat.

      The Kaiser model actually will be the only sustainable operation. And that is filled with flaws.

    4. Phil Davis, Florida says:

      What many Americans know now about this administration, is that all they are doing is a power grab move. This is all about power dressed to look like something else. Look past the dressing and it is abundantly clear! For example, the stimulus was candy for the masses to win their support. The health care proposal is just another way to control our lives (power). The private business bailout is another way to control our economy. The bank bailouts is another way to control our economy. The push is for a complete change of America to Socialism and maybe even Fascism. Even Obama said in a 2008 speech he planned for Americorp to be as well equipped and armed as the U.S. military. The under tones of Americorp has a military underpinning in their description. All one has to do is pay attention! The next step is the Census questions. Such as when you leave for work etc. All part of a takeover. It is time for America to wake up and throw these bums out before we wake up under complete government control and a government you no longer vote in. Because, they will be the proletariat bureau! As part of this fight I offer all our founding documents on display and in free download zip format at my website http://www.thepenpointview.net Get them and read them. These important documents were not thought of lightly by our Founding Fathers. These documents should be your corner stone in the fight for your personal freedoms and a smaller government.

      God Bless America!

      MSgt Phillip H. Davis

      USAF Retired

    5. DAVID SAYERS GOLDSBO says:

      Quite frankly, you should not trust anything Obama says,remember,if his lips are moving,he's lying. His answers to the not so hard questions last night were just babble. This fraud has not a clue. In addition, if this plan is so wonderful, why doesn't the members of congress adopt it for themselves and get rid of that old plan that we pay so dearly for? These stupid,childish and moronic ideas would be laughable if it weren't for the fact that this marxist along with his kommie buddies in congress are flushing this country down the toilet will making millions of dollars for themselves. It's time to get back to basics and start anew without the these thugs in power,America deserves better than this.

    6. D Symank says:

      I do not see this discussed.

      If 85% of Americans have Health Care and are satisfied with it that leaves some 45 mil who are not. Why then does it cost 150 bil per year to insure and total disruption of service to insure those 45 mil?

    7. Charles LaBounty, Me says:

      Only 84 congress people have signed the pledge to not vote on a health care bill until they've read it. That tells me congress is just going to fold and give Obama what he wants. Imagine that — we're afraid our elected officials will sign a bill that they haven't read. Maybe they should just go home now.

      You can see the pledge at this site and who has signed it. Call you congress people if they haven't signed it – who knows some may listen to the voters.
      http://www.letfreedomringusa.com/pledge-to-read

    8. Richard Cancemi, Arl says:

      Obama can't tell the truth, because if he did, people would run from him. When has he ever been really truthful?

      I envision Obama and his liberal Democrats as fishermen throwing a large net over the USA pulling all of us little "fishies" into their Socialist boat. His control of our Health Care is only one of the lines he'll use to pull in the catch! The "net"must be cut open so we will be free again.

      I believe he holds the American Individual and the USA as a whole, in contempt. He wants to dictate us all into the "Utopia" of World Socialism.

      God help us!

    9. ED SPILKER 726 KNAUS says:

      I HAVE SENT AN EMAIL TO ALL MY FRIENDS ASKING THEM TO CALL JOHN CONYERS OFFICE AND TELL THEM THEY WANT HIM TO GO FORWARD ON THE INVESTIGATION OF ACORN. MAKE HIS LINE HOT WITH CALLS. HIS NO. IS 202-225-5126. CAN YOU PUT THIS INTO THE MORNING BELL? ITS TIME SOMETHING GETS DONE.

      THANK YOU

      LION ED

    10. Eddina Symns, Hutchi says:

      I think that Obama skirted around in his answer to Jack Tapper. When I read Tapper's question,

      I thought he was wondering if timeliness of treatment, quality of treatment, and (even)approval for treatment would be affected by Obama's health care plan.

      Obama shifted totally away from the Plan, and went to other issues which (he thinks) the public should handle in a healthful manner.

      I'd say that Obama refused to answer the question.

    11. Eddina Symns, Hutchi says:

      What do you mean "moderation?"

      Don't change the meaning of what I said.

    12. Christopher Popham S says:

      Congress and the Administration are moving at warp

      speed to pass costly, innefective (unread) and

      dangerous legislation. No matter what their motive

      or focus, it is clearly not geared toward the

      well-being of all Americans.

      The ineptitude, greed and corruption (lobbying)

      must be addressed here and now.

      I feel a revolution coming. I'm not sure what form

      it will take, but it is near.

      The intelligence of the American people can be

      insulted with hyperbole and misleading rhetoric

      just so much. The mid term elections of 2010 are

      right around the corner.

    13. TC South Carolinaoul says:

      Frankly, I'm disappointed but not surprised at the lack of meaningful questions from the White House Press Corps last night. Two obvious questions about controlling or eliminating the escalating costs of health care should have been about addressing serious tort reform and taking the fraud out of Medicare and Medicaid before taking any steps towards health care reform. Any reasonable business plan would address these glaring causes of wasteful spending before asking for billions more. Why can't we expect at least out of our politicians as we would expect from ourselves? Its time to tell the whole bunch not just no, but hell no!

    14. Cyberflyrg says:

      If we sent Madoff to jail for life for lying, cheating, and stealing from the public, why cant we do the same thing for our politicians. Medicare and Medicade are two the biggest Ponzie schemes ever portrayed on the US, and this ludicrous Health Care initiative is another one. It is a Pyramid, ponzie, bubble scheme if there ever was one and the proponents should be put in jail next to Madoff.

    15. IvaLee Baumgartner says:

      1000+ bill???less words well written so everyone can digest it, and vote intelligently, given the time to do it…

    16. Anna New Jersey says:

      Stop the insanity! I am a 73 year old, college graduate and still in fairly good health..at least my mind is still working. Am I the only one who listens to Obama and cannot for the life of me figure out what he is saying? One should be very cautious about double-speak…he likes to obscure everything, but it is clear as a bell, beware a power take over. Another thing that bothers the heck out of me is the admonition that we should be nice and respectful when we comment on the administration's doings. Why? They obviously have no respect for the American people and the American way. By the way, seniors today don't really relish being put on a hillside to die. We do pay for our health care. Medicare is not free. Supplemental Insurance is not free. There is already aid for those who cannot pay…I work part time and I DO PAY into Medicare and Social Security, and it is quite a hefty amount of my pay. I think the American Medical system is fine. What is lacking is provision for Catastrophic Care….

    17. Lawrence says:

      Don't you understand that the insurance companies are making the decisions on what is covered as a medical issue not the Doctors?

      Don't you understand that the insurance companies determain what is reimbursed to the Doctors?

      Does anyone ever wonder why we have insurance but co-pays are increasing?

      It is Congress that legislates not the President. If the Healthcare system is not working turn to Congress for not doing their job. It is easy to blame the president but let's look at how the problem can be fixed NOW!!! Too many people with insurance do not have they coverage they need.

      Does anyone really Care? People are dying daily waiting for the insurance companies "Authorizations".

      The private sector…insurance companies…have created the problem for the sake of "higher dividends."

    18. Dwight says:

      Obama wants to remake America, and he is starting with health care. He revealed two things from his press conference last night. He is a socialist & a racist.

    19. Dave, Virginia says:

      I wrote my congressmen, and senators perticularly Webb and Warner about this healthcare scam that is trying to be rammed down our throats, well i got a response from Webb, and i thought some of you may be interested in what he has to say. I asked him to vote no but it doesn't seem to me that he cares at all what his costituents want just to follow his liberal ideas.

      Dear Mr. Gillis:

      Thank you for contacting me regarding health care reform. I appreciate your taking the time to share your views.

      As you know, addressing the health care crisis in our country is a top priority for me and my colleagues in Congress. There are 47 million Americans without health insurance and millions more who are underinsured. Health care costs currently consume more than $2 trillion per year and are estimated to reach over $4 trillion by 2017, jeopardizing family budgets and the long term financial stability of our system. Despite these huge expenditures, the United States ranks 42nd in the world in life expectancy, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, and our health care system ranks lower than many countries on quality, access, efficiency, equity, and preventative care. We must improve the value and availability of care while addressing the increasing burden health care costs are placing on American families.

      With my support, the U.S. Senate passed legislation this year to expand the Children’s Health Insurance Program (H.R. 2). This important bill will ensure continued health insurance coverage for the 6.6 million children from low-income families currently enrolled in the program nationwide, and provide coverage for an additional 4.1 million uninsured children. In addition, I supported passage of the bipartisan American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (H.R. 1), which will help modernize our health system by providing funding for health information technology infrastructure and incentives to encourage doctors and hospitals to use electronic health records. These investments will help reduce costly medical errors and generate savings through improvements in the quality of care and care coordination.

      While these measures are helpful, there remains a critical need for comprehensive change that will advance the type of systemic health care reform that is essential to our nation and all Americans. I will continue to work with members from both sides of the aisle to achieve this objective. I believe that everyone in this country should have access to health insurance that is affordable, that provides adequate coverage, and that is always available. We can do this by producing better information regarding treatment, promoting health and preventing disease, and creating incentives so that all Americans can receive quality health care. We should also closely examine the role that health insurance companies play on the rising costs of health insurance in this country.

      As the Senate continues to debate health care reform, please be assured that your views will be very helpful to me and my staff. I hope that you will continue to share your views with us in the years ahead.

      I would also invite you to visit my website at http://www.webb.senate.gov for regular updates about my activities and positions on matters that are important to Virginia and our nation.

      Sincerely,

      Jim Webb

      United States Senator

    20. Ken Jarvis - Las Veg says:

      HF ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH,

      but the SPIN they pur on their stuff

      makes it seem like a lie

      THE TRANSCRIPT OF LAST NITES Obama

      New Conference it at
      http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/22/us/politics/22o
      READ FOR YOURSELF

      WHAT HE REALLY SAID.

    21. whicket williams Kin says:

      This is the final part, where they nail the lid down on the coffin If all americans do not take drastic action NOW we are DOOMED.

    22. Brian CA. says:

      "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take; their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." – Thomas Jefferson

    23. Robert Glaser, Massa says:

      When a question was posed about the "blue dog" democrats who opposed the plan, Obama began his response by attacking the republicans. They only oppose his plan to gain political advantage and to make him look bad. The democrats who oppose his plan only do so out of concern for their constituents, afraid that the plan doesn't go far enough! Talk about spin. The arrogance is off the charts. Where is any discussion of capping damages in lawsuits and reduction of frivolous lawsuits? The trial lawyers wouldn't stand for it.

    24. Christopher Watkins, says:

      It's MEDICAL Care, not HEALTH Care.

      It's a Medical Care INDUSTRY, not SYSTEM.

      SYSTEMS are closed-ended and controlled, INDUSTRIES are self-propagating and regulating needing only moral control.

      That's why the Democrats are not reforming the Health Care System; they are systematizing the Medical Care Industry.

      No one has a right to Medical Care because that care is provided at the expense of others' time and resources (INDUSTRY);no one has a right to other peoples' sustenance.

      Forcing people to pay others' MEDICAL CARE is TYRANNY.

      By the way…we are not DOOMED. There is nothing the Democrats are doing that cannot be repaired and quickly… Buck up, brothers, we win when we wakeup, stand and act.

    25. Lynn B. DeSpain says:

      I do believe our President does not understand mathematis! He seems astounded and complains about a inheriting 1.3 Trillion dollar deficit from President Bush, yet says nothing about Busn inheriting a one Trillion dollar deficit from Clinton.

      Obama has, in his first 100 days already tripled whatever he came into, and now with National Health Care to cover everyone, which it will have to, and cover 320 million, would cost the United States of Ameica each year, 30 Trillion dollars, Tax dollars.

      Instant Bankruptcy! Our enemy is from not without, our enemy is from within! America can not allow this type of Leadership and Congressional following to continue. We must begin recalls in every State, vote in New Blood, and Leave the mad man in the White House defenceless.

      Hozro

    26. Thomas, Anchorage, A says:

      Screw you, Mr. President! My labor earns my paycheck that I can spend as I see fit.

      We all have a shared responsibility, except for those who won't pick themselves up off the ground and pay their own damn way. Yes, I'm callous, but those who have will not be able to pay for the have-nots indefinitely. Government handouts have created an entire class that is perpetually poor, yet more and more handouts never fixes the problem. The richest pay twice their "fair" share, and the Democrats want more.

      I donate a good bit of money (and other goods) relative to what I earn, but the line is drawn at having that money stolen from me and given to people I don't necessarily want to support.

      Call me hateful, but it has to be said.

    27. Janis, Washington St says:

      Does ANYONE out there, besides me, think that the Federal Government has NO Constitutional right to mandate to the states how they should treat health care for their residents?

    28. Sally McKenna, Bogar says:

      Why not clean up the fraud in Medicare , this would save millions, get that system running properly before laying another program on top. The Congress is scaring me and I'm watching who voting for each bill. My new mantra is "If they don't read them(bills) who needs them(Senators, etc.)

      They are a discrace by not reading bills before reading and then saying their leaders did'nt give them time. Begone Excuses!!

    29. mhatr says:

      Our Representatives no longer(or did they ever)read bills before passing them. Every estimate of cost ( for whatever)is wrong .Every projection is wrong. We need to elect people who are qualified to deal with these matters. Sen Franken a former SNL actor/comedian is now making decisions in Washington that will affect YOUR life. What is wrong with this picture. These people have No experience in any of the fields necessary to make informed decisions. And we are told to follow like sheep(to slaughter)

    30. David Stieper Hoffma says:

      You are kidding yourself if you believe that private companies who are responsible to shareholders and in part by profitability can compete with the United States Government who decides policy, can raise an infinite amount of cash through taxation and the printing press and can survive on deficits. With 5 years of passing even the most perceived market competitive legislation would result insurance companies leaving the market in droves. This is the slow path to control of government over our bodies. To pass this is to succomb to tyranny by our elected officials.

    31. cynthia overland san says:

      This idea that 45 million are without health care is a major fallacy. Can anyone think of one person they know who went to an emergency room of a hospital and was denied care. My, God, they treat illegal alien gang members who have been shot or stabbed! Health care is expensive, especially if you have a pre-existing or chronic condition, but no one is refused care. One hospital may send these folks to another facility, because private hospitals are not free, but care is provided. What needs to be done is a streamlining of services and cooperation between drug companies, insurance companies, patients' advocates, and doctors. If 50% of waste, fraud, and redundancy is achieved, we could save billions. Common sense Americans have excellent common sense ideas. We are the ones who should be doing this not the GOVERNMENT. Exp: One reason why drugs are so expensive is all the advertising dollars spent to push them onto the public (to encourage us to ask our doctors for them). Six months later you see the advertisments for medical malpractice lawyers saying if you or a loved one has been injured or has died because they used this new "wonder" drug call this number. How much of the cost of these drugs come not from research costs but from advertising costs! As a direct result, doctors must carry the burden of malpractice insurance to the point that some specialities pay as much as $200,000 or more a year for insurance. Is it any wonder they order unneeded or duplicate tests etc. They play CYA just to stay in business. The fact is, we have the best health care in the world, but it is far from perfect. We can make it better–we, the people–not the government. This is like the time you were bathing your baby and he pooped in the water–Did you throw your baby out when you threw the water out??

    32. Westlake Village CA says:

      It was refreshing to see that some reporters were at least quizzing President Obama to some extent about some of the details concerning his plans regarding national health care. At one point, President Obama said, in essence, "it's not about me, I, and the members of Congress have great health care." Question: Will the President and members of Congress be subject to the same same new health care rules and regulations as the rest of us?

      John Werlich

    33. paul collins.the vil says:

      If this bill is so good then one of the admenments should be to include all members of government from the President down.Infact this should be incleded in all bills.It is time for them to stop considering themselves above the laws they pass.

    34. Bill Fliegel Kingsvi says:

      Here again we are vicimized by Congress' normal approach to any problem of slaping anything and everything around and going with whatever sticks to the wall of political correctness in the shortest time possible. Whatever happened to the systematic root cause analysis to determine all the health care cost drivers which exceed CPI and the subsequent corresponding corrective action plans in some order of priority? Naturally something like this can't be done because it's too logical and ,besides, those who normally exercize logic will exhaustively exercize themselves to death by hop-scotching around the illegal alien issue and (real) meaningful tort reform! In consideration of it all, I am certain that we will all wish that we were salt water marsh field mice when it comes to our future health care.

    35. Ben C, Ann Arbor says:

      The following is a letter I have sent to my Senators and Representative from Michigan. I know I will get the "form" letter from all three in response. If, however, enough letters are sent they might think twice about their "reform." The posting by William Hineser, Arvada, colorado should be required reading before a Congressional vote is made.

      Senator Carl Levin

      269 Russell Office Building

      U.S. Senate

      Washington, DC 20510-2202

      Re: Health Care Reform

      Dear Senator Levin:

      At what point in our history did medical care become a “right?”

      I am extremely concerned you are being pressured by the administration to make decisions on health care reform that will have devastating long term consequences. I do not believe Congress intentionally plans to cause harm to the public but giving in to artificial deadlines on a problem that is perceived to be catastrophic leads me to believe it is about “power” not “good intentions.”

      We have the best medical care in the world. We have an adequate delivery system that certainly can be fined tuned.

      We have the best care in the world because of third party payment (shared risk and expense), capitalism, and “American ingenuity”.

      Prior to third party payment systems the medical delivery system relied on physician experience and diagnostic skills. The care given was adequate but far from accurate. Most people could pay for the care, sometimes using the barter system, and those unable to pay received marginal but compassionate care. I have discussed and confirmed this with retired physicians. Third party payment provided a huge money pool to help fund medical research and instrumentation contributing to the escalation of costs and quality of care. A double edged sword.

      Capitalism and the entrepreneurial spirit have vastly improved medical care locally – in your state. It began at the Oakwood Health Care System in the ER department. ER One provided the management system and physicians and coined the “30 Minute Guarantee” for patient service. This management system is hugely successful and is becoming the model throughout the US. The concept is very simple – no one should have to wait for ER care. This system evolved from a concept generated by an Ann Arbor physician (name available upon request) and NOT from government. Capitalism created this change – not a government mandated edict.

      Government control over health care is a bad idea. Implementation of this concept WILL result in the problems encountered in Canada. When Canadian citizens require diagnostic or immediate care they come to Henry Ford Medical Center, or the Detroit Medical Center – in Michigan. I have interviewed many Canadian citizens in my office and their story is uniform – in Canada extended waits or denial of medical care coupled with a fifty percent income tax rate is the norm. Another reason for poor care is that burned out Canadian physicians come to the US to practice because of Canadian bureaucracy and their delivery system. Clearly our system is much better than Canada’s system. Government control of health care will dissuade young bright students from entering medicine. The notion that people enter medicine for the sole reason of “helping others” is an idealistic notion. People enter medicine because they want to help others and make a good living.

      If you are really interested in reforming health care look for ways to create incentives for both employers and employees to subscribe to health care insurance. Taxing insurance premiums is a DISINCENTIVE to the public. Health Savings Accounts is a good start. Allowing tax CREDITS for premiums is another example of incentives. Welfare MUST be limited to legal citizens and not a mechanism for enhancing your re-election.

      Time does not permit addressing other contributory factors to the problems in the delivery system, such as the problem created by allowing hospital systems to be tax exempt, or the contribution our legal profession has made – the necessity for tort reform, or the burden placed on our system by illegal aliens and their children – ie California, or the “separate but equal” medical insurance for Congress vs citizens. These will be addressed in the near future.

      In conclusion, health care reform will be remedied if the federal government stays out of the way of private enterprise. Consumers will embrace change when the market place is allowed to compete. Government oversight could be helpful in minimizing abuses, but will not be helpful if it tries to be the delivery system. We simply cannot afford the financial burden of governmental takeover of health care.

    36. Mike Sheahen, Hickor says:

      Yes, it most definitely is part of the problem at hand, that, his being such a real government elitist and statist authoritarian expecting unquestioning obedience, Obama is not really asking but is instead expecting us to trust him on (another) trillion dollar plan he has not read and dismiss what all Americans instinctively (rather than inherently) know, that everything has a price…which in such as this case is called expecting "willing suspension of disbelief", as in that which people do every time they seek to indulge in illusion such as Disney World or expect a so-called "free lunch" in any form, such as government controlled so-called "socialized"/"universal"/"free" so-called "health care".

      Now all of us Americans who refuse to divorce ourselves from the real world and seek to indulge in such illusion, we know that.

      However, unfortunately, there have been and are power and money-grabbing politicians and others, such as Barack Obama and his Comrades, who have managed to get enough Americans to sell-out for not only the illusion of a government controlled "free lunch" but also the historically repeated and disproven illusion of the superiority of such government control.

      It is such government elitist and statist politicians and their bureaucrats, those vote-buying government power and money-grabbing illusions they sell, and their "provisions" in legislation, which we, the people, must expose and stop if we are to save what remains of our freedoms, for which so incomparably many people have risked and continue to risk anything or everything to come here and have, including our health care for which also so incomparably many people have risked and continue to risk anything or everything to come here to have instead of staying where they are, such as, for example, in Britain, Canada, or Mexico.

    37. Dennis A. Social Cir says:

      When the members of Congress and the so called president sign up for this healthcare, then and only then will I think it may be good. When obama was asked if he wanted his family under the plan, he went around the mountain and did not answer the question. That tells me this thing is a big sham. He is talking out of both sides of his mounth on this issue as well as all the other BS he spouts.

      We need to tell all of Congress that we will not have this type of care. If anyone wants to see socialized medicine go to the nearest VA hospital and take a lomg hard look. I am haveing to use the VA and was told that the probable treatment that I will need has to be put off, no money. People put your family in this position, how will you react when a loved one, your parents because they are to old, your children because it is to expensive, or yourself because someone says your lifestyle is all wrong, so treatment is not avaliable. That is where obama wants this health care to go. HE IS SO WRONG, AND THOSE THAT ARE IN CONGRESS THAT ARE PUSHING ARE WRONG, IT IS TIME THAT PELOSI, REID AND THE OTHER CRONIES ARE PUT OUT OF OFFICE. THE ELCTION IS COMING IN 2010, REMEMBER WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO US!!!!

    38. Ron, Derry NH says:

      Obama was wrong about saving jobs, the rate of 500,000 a month continues, the stimulus was supposed to stop that.

      Obama has lied about not wanting to take over the car industry as they have.

      Obama lied about cutting spending and waste; it is rampant.

      Obama is lying about fixing waste and corruption as government waste is the reason Medicare and Medicare are so expensive and he has in the past voted against any measure that would address that waste….as any good liberal would as to not uncover the fraud of their peers.

      Every time he speaks it is with half truths and a near smirk of arrogance that he isn't telling you any more because he would reveal the plan to socialize America and one party rule and one fascist law after another.

      Socializing medicine will destroy the insurance industry and the thousand that make a living at it, as socialized housing has harmed the inner cities. It will corrupt the medical profession and turn it into the registry of motor vehicles, which we know from experience has the highest level of expertise and efficiency at balancing budgets and providing timely expert service, or perhaps something like the veterans hospitals are run.

      Worse it will turn the medical profession into a unionized retirement haven where avoiding patience will become an art and calling in sick while on the latest ski trip to avoid patients will not be a reason to get fired but perhaps promoted to supervisor with more pay.

      He says one thing and hands us the debt, the damage and the harm, of a government that is growing ever more pervasive and ever more callous at disregarding the will of the people.

      I don't recall asking for communism from any American president or party, but it is what we are being handed…or should I say underhanded!

    39. John Carney, Philade says:

      If the President's healthcare proposal is going to be so cost efficient and since we are experiencing record high deficits then I propose that all Federal employees including all members of Congress, the President and the entire White House staff and the Judiciary and all their staffs be mandated to join the "public option". In this country there should be no way that the hired help should have a better healthcare plan than the rest of us.

    40. Lou Oates, Wheaton, says:

      After the cap and trade abomination, misguided bailouts, failed stimulus plans and now the health industry takeover attempt, you begin to wonder what this current bunch of government miscreants really have up their sleeves. Thank God we still have the vote. Or could that be the next "change" coming from this socialist?

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    42. ella quinn n.c. says:

      William i hope obamas health plan does not go thur.Hang in their. We appreciate you as a doctor for your service.Obama is cruel and evil.We cannot have this health care program he is trying to pass.

    43. Bob Veigel, Arlingto says:

      With the exception of keeping us safe by maintaining an exceptional military program, what business does the government have in our affairs?

      What is wrong with instructing people from birth to death, that you, the individual, are responsible for you, and your family if married. The government will do its best with laws and enforcement people to keep you safe from predators, period.

      The rest is up to you. Health, finances, education, daily living, retirement. Is that a more difficult national agenda to promote than telling individuals, we the government, will take care of you from birth to death? I believe not.

      And in the long run you will have a much stronger, more intelligent and responsible citizen who is proud to be an American.

      Is it too late in our history to begin to travel on such a journey?

    44. p j hatton albuquerq says:

      The doc from Arvada,Colo. was right. Health care providers are looking for a way out of near slavery and abusive(lawsuit) conditions. HMO and PPO reimbursements are minimal sometimes at Medicare rates or BELOW and subject to "slow or nopay" by third part administrators. Who were the geniuses behind the current Medicare-HMO debacle?

      The same Ivy league types Rheinhart-Princeton.Hsu-Harvard and Democrats-Ted Kennedy who now want to fix the system. These people do not like America or Americans. They have a huge chip on their shoulder about our ideals and way of life.

    45. Jim@Redding,CA says:

      What has changed since I last wrote a word

      of comment? Nothing – except a few more of

      you have awakened to the fact that Obama is the embodiment of evil in America today

      and, whenever his lips are moving, he's

      lying. The ONLY truth remains the same -

      none of this is about anything other than

      we were established one nation under God,

      freely giving Him all the credit, honor,

      and praise for all the blessings He showered upon us, BUT we have gone so far

      away from Him over the years that we don't

      even have a clue what "far" means in this

      evil time in which we live.

      More of you need to wake up to these facts

      and seek God's forgiveness for your sinful

      ways, following the spirit of true repent-

      ance and revival if you wish for God to

      restore His blessings upon this rebellious

      country… Otherwise, what Obama has begun

      will most certainly come to pass in your

      lifetime, and you will witness the loss of

      ALL liberty and freedom.

      The time is NOW, people!

    46. A. Terranova, Ormond says:

      This is not about health reform; it is about the transfer of power and consequent control from you, me and the free enterprise system (which is the ONLY system that can longer costs because it relies on competition) to the federal government. This is called tyranny.

    47. A. Terranova, Ormond says:

      This is not about health reform; it is about the transfer of power and consequent control from you, me and the free enterprise system (which is the ONLY system that can lower costs because it relies on competition) to the federal government. This is called tyranny.

    48. Tom, Georgia says:

      From the first paragraph above:

      "there is no such thing as a free lunch."

      The explanation for why "there is no such thing as a free lunch" can be found in the fundamental laws of physics.

      The laws of physics also explain why a government-provided lunch will and must cost more than a lunch that is produced or earned by the person who eats the lunch. (There is no such thing as perpetual motion. Isaac Newton explained why more than three centuries ago. Most politicians as well as many economists still haven't caught on.)

      The "supply side" is the economy. The economy is the "supply side". The economy produces and creates one hundred percent of the nation's real purchasing power. Even John Maynard Keynes, a mathemetician, by the way, not an economist, (to Keynes advantage?) recognized and understood that.

      If demand side expectations are a 10 and supply side capability is (optimistically) a 4 or 5 then expect disappointment to grow to anger on the demand side. Guess what anger will grow into.

    49. Olsen, Sumner WA says:

      don't feel bad if you cant undertand what Obama is telling you. Ho one can. Have you all written your congress people and senators? Their responses are just as meaningless. An exchange I had with Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) about cap and trade>> http://theproblemwithsheep.blogspot.com/2009/07/c

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    51. Kelly Carter, Carlin says:

      If every one from the president, congress, senate was taken off the insurence plan they have, totaly Free, and had to buy insurence like "We The People"

      we would see some real debate on health care reform. The American people should be fighting mad about what is going on right now. They (our political leaders) don't pay Social Security, Health Insurence, there retirement and healthcare is rock solid, while we the working people of this country are on a sinking ship. You think they really CARE?

    52. retired worker says:

      Excuse me, for simplistic thinking; But how does Obama make the cause for NOT voting for a bill that requires medical attention for babies BORN alive in botched abortions; stating specifically if it passed it may reverse the Supreme Court rulings that allow for a woman's granteed privacy rights between her and her Doctor. In other words what they took out was a REAL BABY not a fetus.

      But However now that we want to give Obamacare to everyone and do it on the savings of reducing medicare treatments/services to the elderly, there is NO MENTION of my privacy right with my doctor and instead a National Board will decide what care I will get.NOT MY DOCTOR who I am sure would not want to give me an operation that would kill me on the table. Rather,he knows that with the proper care an operation may help prevent pain and give an older person more time with their children and grandchildren. As a tax paying American Born citizen why should Obama's board determine how long I should live? Where is my rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness? It seems to me that Obama is hell bent on DEATH solving problems.

    53. J R--- Cleveland TN says:

      Thankfully Americans still have the Freedom to express themselves on Blogs such as this one.

      It is my hope that we all have increased our calls, letters and emails to our elected representatives. They may not listen but at least we will have a good conscience if we fail to get some common sense making the laws in this country again.

      Reading the the comments HERE today one is made aware that there is hardly any positive actions in the proposed bill as far as we understand. How terrible it will be when we go to get medical care and are told we no longer qualify because we have lived long enough already. Maybe some will cheer but some of us will think of NAZI Germany.

      I am a experienced casualty of the present system.

      My wife had a massive double stroke in 1997. She was in excellent hospitals in Merriville In, Chicago, Il, Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland Oh, and Bradley Co Hosp,Cleveland Tn,. She came out of the Northwestern University Hosp in Chicago after 128 days and lived in her right mind although unable to walk or stand alone but she was a wonderful example to her family, friends and church members of grace and dignity one can manifest even though bedfast and in pain from other diseases such as cancer. She died from the cancer in Oct 2006. I was a 24/7 caretaker and worked outside the home. I was 64 when she had the stroke. I worked full-time still for insurance and income to help us. In spite of all my efforts the medical bills consumed our lifetime savings and our home had to go as well.By the grace of God we avoided bankruptcy and every bill has been paid. I had been in ministry for more 45 years and we had a loving family and churh body to help as they could. In spite of these blessings I had to borrow money to move to a small place in Tennessee near family and do as best I could. Other than small gifts from friends and church we received no welfare money and the general public never supported us ( except we did apply for and receive our Social Security funds) but since I had insurance we did not get Medicare for her until I had to quit the job(I was 74 then) the last year. ( Sorry this is long post but some may need to know how it works now ) For the record I would gladly still be caring for my wife if she had not passed.

      There is some facts to be considered:

      Castrophic Accidents/ Cancer etc can financially destroy almost any family.

      Insurance companies now deny services which would save lives and reduce pain. ( My wife was denied access to hospital care and the insurance company demanded that she have outpatient/inhome service– it resulted in a heart attack and she went to the hospital anyway) That insurance company had a newly graduated doctor signing off on the decisions made by a chief nurse. The doctor,in a state a thousand miles away, who had little or no experience, was overruling our local doctor who was chief of the hospital staff with 30 years of experience looking right at the patient.

      I recommend we stand together for corrections and improvements to our system. Not major overhaul that OBama and his helpers are pushing. For instance…1.Eliminate FRAUD,( Duplicate billings ETC) 2.Demand proof of Citzenship before any medical service. 3. Demand that all those who have above poverty incomes pay their own bills and be allowed no bankruptcy for medical bills. 4. Set a definite cap on liability to the medical profession for mistakes and omissions( Control the legal buzzards who feed on the pain of others and hurt everyone for any help they give to someone.)

      5. Provide insurance for the poverty stricken much as the STATE of TENNESSEE does. That might be closer to about 10 million people which would be a lot less expensive than a TRILLION dollars. Finally, there are not 47 million justifiable UNINSURED PEOPLE IN THE USA. This is inflated for talking purposes by the proponents of the OBAMA plans.

      If I can go thru my experience and still support our medical care system I hope some of the undecided will get on board and stop this madness before America is destroyed.

      To those who object to Social Security,Medicare and Medicaid. I am 76 years old and have paid into the funds all my life. I was alive when there was no Social Security.I saw the pain and suffering of the poor elderly who lived in the depression days of long ago. I was child but I still remember that necessities as food and clothes and health care were out of reach. I don't believe the country would want to go back to those days. You say it is a ponzi scheme. Perhaps. But a true Ponzi scheme works to the financial advantage of the promoter. Social Security has the exception that the people who devised Social Security did not profit directly or personally from their actions. It was a plan deemed workable premised on an increase in population. America has killed more than 50 million potential taxpayers thru ABORTION.

      This horrible Abortion act was never thought of happening when the Soc SEC ACT was passed. Our courts and our families supporting this have essentially destroyed an important element needed to make it a success. New taxpayers Aborted. Our politicians raided the TRUST FUND years ago and began issuing IOU's instead of investing the money where it could help. So now we have a problem. Yet one economist says that a 1% increase in the payroll tax right now would stablize the Soc SEc fund for more than 50 years.

      GOOD SENSE AND GOOD JUDGEMENT AND GOOD ACTIONS COULD SAVE US ALL.

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