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  • Morning Bell: The House's Hidden Health Care Train Wreck

    Yesterday, House Democrats unveiled their much-anticipated health care plan– the same day that the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) released a preliminary scoring of the bill putting a $1.3 trillion price tag on the effort. Weighing in at 1,018 pages, that comes to $1.264 billion per page. But even this analysis understates the true costs of the bill. The CBO only scores bills on a ten-year time frame, and House Democrats have designed their bill to obscure the catastrophic long-term fiscal path on which it places our country.

    This Monday, President Barack Obama met with Blue Dog Democrats and assured them health reform would produce savings “beyond the 10-year budget window.” Every objective piece of independent evidence thoroughly contradicts this claim. According to the CBO, the cost for the first four years is just $74 billion, but then it accelerates sharply. By 2019, the new entitlement is set to cost American taxpayers $254 billion. So while many Americans may look at the $1.3 trillion price tag over ten years and conclude the plan will cost $130 billion a year, in reality it will cost nearly double that. By backloading all the spending, the House is hiding the true cost of their plan from the American people. Between 2018 and 2019, federal costs for the new entitlement and the enlargement of Medicaid would increase by a combined 8.9%.

    The House bill does nothing to control these exploding costs. But this shouldn’t be a surprise. CBO Director Doug Elmendorf has repeatedly told Congress that expanding coverage without more fundamental reform of Medicare “puts an additional long-term burden on top of an already unsustainable path.”

    Worse than the cost of the House bill is how they plan to pay for it. One element includes a “pay-or-play” requirement that forces employers to either purchase health insurance for their employees or pay a fine. The CBO released a separate study Monday showing that this provision would kill jobs: “[I]f employers who did not offer insurance were required to pay a fee, employees’ wages and other forms of compensation would generally decline by the amount of that fee from what they would otherwise have been.”

    And that’s not even the biggest revenue enhancer. The House plans to pay for the lion’s share of their bill with a new surtax on households earning $350,000 and above. It starts at 1%, bumping up to 1.5% at $500,000 in income and to 5.4% at $1 million. Since many small business owners fall within this income range, this surtax will also be a huge job killer.

    Editorializing on the House’s surtax, The Washington Post writes:

    [T]here is no case to be made for the House Democratic majority’s proposal to fund health-care legislation through an ad hoc income tax surcharge for top-earning households. …There is simply no way to close the gap by taxing a handful of high earners. … Pretending that “the rich” alone can fund government, let alone the kind of activist government that the president and Congress envision, is bad policy any way you look at it.

    Quick Hits:

    • During yesterday’s confirmation hearings, Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor contradicted President Obama saying she took issue with his 2007 statement that a judge’s “heart” should dictate the outcome in a small number of cases.
    • Commenting on Sotomayor’s testimony yesterday, Georgetown law professor and Critical Legal Studies cofounder Mike Seidman said: “I was completely disgusted by Judge Sotomayor’s testimony today. If she was not perjuring herself, she is intellectually unqualified to be on the Supreme Court. If she was perjuring herself, she is morally unqualified.”
    • Counting those who have given up looking for a job and those part-time workers who want to be working full time, the New York Times calculates the unemployment rate has reached 23.5% in Oregon, 21.5% in both Michigan and Rhode Island and 20.3% in California.
    • Community groups and agencies faulted in the past for mismanaging thousands of dollars a year in federal aid are being overwhelmed as they receive millions of dollars from President Obama’s $787 billion stimulus plan.
    • President Barack Obama’s political organization, Organizing for America, is running its first television ads in Arkansas, Indiana, Florida, Louisiana, Maine, North Dakota, Nebraska and Ohio. The group is refusing to reveal the cost of the ad campaign which urges Americans to support Obama’s trillion-dollar health care plan.
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    49 Responses to Morning Bell: The House's Hidden Health Care Train Wreck

    1. jake,LHC says:

      In rambo the vulgar words obama is an incompetent freakin LIAR that should be under oath for the obama-ACORN-dodd-frank-reid-peloski housing scandal and the obama-ACORN fraudulent vitng scandals.

      It time for this crook to answer for his LIES.

    2. A. Terranova, Ormond says:

      In reality the Obama administration's health care plan is not about health care at all. It is about power and control. If this administration is successful in passing nationalized health care on top of having already nationalized banks and the automotive industry and plans to do the same with energy and the environment, there will be a new paradigm in this country: liberal fascism. In addition, and perhaps even more disturbing, is Obama's pick for U.S. Surgeon General – a young black general practitioner who does house calls in Alabama. How quaint. The only problem is that this image brings one issue to the forefront: health care in the U.S. is highly reliant on technologies that promote better health, better treatments and better ways to combat illness and infirmity. These all cost money. Don't be naive. What Obama is doing is "dumbing down" the image of what highly trained and skilled physicians do today: Eleviate pain and suffering and they deliver it. Enough incoherent and false propaganda has already occurred at the expense of those physicians who we NEED. They are necessary to our well being; without them people with devastating disease and illness would languish and even die.(as they do in many foreign countries that have socialized medicine)

    3. KARL S. PARK, SAN AN says:

      I suspect government employees will be exempted from the Health Care Plan, no change in their health plan and no sur charge taxes! Am I right?

    4. Christopher Popham S says:

      In a so-called free democratic society, we,

      as citizens and legislators alike, are obligated

      to explore all viable alternative options to a

      national issue as critical as health care.

      There is an option. It is called the Alexander

      McGee Medical Plan and it, or a co-operative plan

      similar to it, would be worth consideration.

      For a brief history of health insurance in America

      and a description of the McGee Plan, see my archived article, entitled

      "Health Care-Who Cares-I Do" at http://www.breakingnewsjournal.net.
      Before we RUSH into establishing legislation that

      will dictate our health care choices, let's look at any and all viable alternatives.

      Respectfully,

      Christopher Popham Smith.

      Boston, Ma.

    5. Gary, Norfolk, VA says:

      It is clear to me that our elected "Representatives" DO NOT represent the American people, but rather represent the Lobbyists who make their voices heard, and who most likely fund the so-called Representative's election/re-election efforts.

    6. Jeff, Florida says:

      Somehow I get the feeling that the people in Congress and the Senate do not even consider anyone out side of their office or the voting room. I attempted to call my congressional representative with the two phone numbers provided (1-202-225-3121, 1-202-224-3121) and could never get through for 3 days. I even wondered if ACORN was jamming up the phone lines. I finally sent an email to my Republican Congresswoman opposing the health care plan and her is her answer.

      Dear Jeffery:

      Thank you for bringing your concerns to my attention. I appreciate the time you took to contact my office on this important issue and welcome the opportunity to respond.

      Reform of America's health care system is necessary. There is no legitimate reason that health care cannot be accessible to all. To provide individuals and families with more affordable, more accessible, and more flexible health insurance coverage, I am working on a bipartisan basis with my colleagues in the House on a number of proposals.

      Just as there is not one clothing size that fits all, there is not one health insurance plan that fits all. I support an approach to reduce costs in the health care industry and make insurance coverage available to everyone. This patient-centered strategy will allow for more choices while increasing affordability. I can assure you I will keep your thoughts in mind as I review numerous health care reform bills. I am sure you will agree that neither party in Congress has all the answers. Both Democrats and Republicans have their share of good ideas, and working together we can piece together the best ones to achieve health care reform that works for all, while preserving choice in the system.

      I am in favor of universal health care – universal meaning everyone has access to health care. Just because someone may not have a comprehensive health insurance plan does not mean they do not have access to care. Since coming to Congress, I have been an avid supporter of Federally Qualified Health Centers, which offer care to everyone regardless of ability to pay. In addition, I advocate for the Partnership for Prescription Assistance, which is a coalition of pharmaceutical companies that offers necessary medications at little or no cost nationwide. PPA has already provided prescriptions to over five and a half million people in the few years it has been in operation. To find more information, you may visit http://www.pparx.org.

      On May 20th, the Senate Finance Committee released a description of policy options to finance President Obama's government run healthcare program. The document discusses and lays out the numerous tax increases the Obama Administration and the Democratic Majority in the Senate are currently considering.

      The suggested tax increases range from eliminating the itemized deduction for medical expenses and taxing your employer sponsored health benefits to taxing the income of students and implementing means testing for Medicare Part D benefits.

      Additionally, the document included a number of "lifestyle" tax increases. These tax increases would increase the cost of a variety of carbonated and noncarbonated beverages, such as non-diet soft drinks, fruit and vegetable drinks, energy and sports drinks, iced tea and coffees, as well as liquor, wine and beer.

      During the campaign, President Obama repeatedly promised to cut taxes for everyone making under $200,000. However, when you look at his recent proposals it appears his campaigning and governing are two very different things. Since taking office President Obama has requested that Congress send him a Cap and Trade bill that will raise electricity costs for the average family by $1,400 a year. Hiding taxes by using language like Cap and Trade when it should really be called "Cap and Tax" is misleading and not what the American people had in mind. Make no mistake: President Obama's Cap and Trade proposal will increase electricity bills for everyone and eliminate millions of jobs.

      Promises become rhetoric when they are not backed up by action. Unfortunately, President Obama's actions speak louder than his promise to cut taxes. Currently, there is no legislation that would implement these proposals. However, should a bill come before the House to raise taxes during these difficult economic times, you can be sure I will vote against it.

      While on the surface a one year suspension of the payroll tax may appear good, however much like socialism, this proposal is good in theory but not so good in reality. Contrary to popular belief, the wealthiest taxpayers in this country do pay a majority of both the income tax and FICA tax that is deposited to the Treasury. Therefore, a reprieve from paying these taxes for one year would only be of minimal help to lower- and middle- income taxpayers while continuing to drastically and irresponsibly increase the national debt.

      FICA taxes fund the Social Security system as well as portions of Medicare benefits. Politicians spend far too much time surmising about how to spend this taxpayer money instead of leaving it where it belongs–in the Treasury. I do not support proposals that deplete this revenue that is meant to be distributed to the hardworking retirees who earned it, and this proposal is no exception.

      Throughout my tenure in public service, I have always kept an open door and an open dialogue with my constituents. As Congress addresses the many challenges facing our nation, I hope you will continue to share your thoughts and views with me. Accordingly, I encourage you to visit my Web site at http://brown-waite.house.gov to email me and find useful information about our 5th Congressional District.

      It is my honor and privilege to serve the people of Florida's 5th Congressional District and my offices and staff are here to provide you with any assistance you may need.

      Sincerely,

      Ginny Brown-Waite

      Member of Congress

    7. Joe Rogers, Chapel H says:

      What ever happened to the association health bill and the idea of lifting the restriction on non-W2 being members of group insurance? This would allow professional associations, church groups and others to rapidly insure anyone wanting health insurance. And at ZERO cost to taxpayers.

    8. Christopher Popham S says:

      Having just responded to a message from President

      Obama with regards to his nomination of

      Judge Sonia Sotomayor, I respectfully reminded the

      President, that millions of Americans are clearly

      not in favor of this nomination. The Judge has

      made far too many remarks, judgements and opinions, which do not sit well with many citizens. Additionally, her legal and social associations are also in question. It is a foregone conclusion that the Judge will accede to the Supreme Court, in spite of the usual, tedious Senate hearing process; however, there are many of us across the nation, who are

      not pleased with this outcome.

    9. Steve Dickhaut, Indi says:

      Under the Ted Kennedy bill Congress was exempted from the plan. Is this the same in this bill, if so it needs to be modified so its MANDATORY for all of Congress. If its good for us then it must be good for them!

    10. Richard Cancemi, Arl says:

      There are train wrecks happening throughout our economy, thanks to the spending and proposals of Liberal-minded politicians.

      Our economy and Country are being ravaged by Progressive (Socialist) Liberals.

      They have no desire to "restore" anything about the America we have known and which has made it the shining example of "opportunity for all" who who exert personal effort to raise their positions in life. Their aim is to control EVERYTHING, to rule and control our lives.

      These "Progressives" are in fact "REGRESSIVES" who would turn the clock back to the people being in servitude to the State, the "Brave New World" to live in. The World of Rulers and the Ruled, Haves and the Have-nots, Political Class and the Lower Serving Class.

      They must be denied! They must be voted out! There must be term limits! We must not let American Freedom be destroyed by "Progressive-Socialists" whose loyalty is to the World Order!

      Send Obama and his gang packing!

    11. whicket williams Kin says:

      For the last 3 generations, the public have been dumbed down and taught to swallow government lies. the elitist who want to control every aspect of our lives have decided we are ready to be overwhelmed and controlled more than anybody in the history of the world. If the people who were one brave, rugged individualist allow this, I am totally disgusted and glad I lived most of my life in a free country, but freedom was lost due to ignorance and apathy. My generation are the last of the brave free people who made this country what it was, and lost it in their twilight years.

    12. Ken Jarvis - Las Veg says:

      "The House plans to pay for the lion’s share of their bill with a new surtax on households earning $350,000 and above. It starts at 1%, bumping up to 1.5% at $500,000 in income and to 5.4% at $1 million.

      Since many small business owners fall within this income range, this surtax will also be a huge job killer."

      COME ON HF

      HOW DUMB DO YOU THINK WE ARE.

      YOU ARE ONLY WORRIED ABOUT THE HF MEMBERS.

    13. Charles LaBounty, Me says:

      Mr. obama not incompetant.

      He knows exactly what he is doing.

      He wants America to be a communist country so government can redistribute the wealth.

      We know what kind of society this approach yields — everyone is equally poor except government officials.

      This guy is a full fledged communist and the media, including FOX, are afraid to say it.

    14. Kathy G, Missouri says:

      I went to an Obama pre-elections rally in my town with my sister who is out of state and wanted to go. In that speech he said that everyone would get the same health insurance that Congress has. This seems a far cry from that. I for one cannot afford any increases in any taxes. My budget is stretched to the limit.

      While health care reform is badly needed, this is definitely not the way to do it. It will end up with a cost to the taxpayers that will, in the long run, prevent those who currently do not have insurance from affording the new "insurance". So they and I will be no better off.

    15. ron terry australia says:

      as someone living in a country with what you would call 'socialised' health care, i'm really puzzled by the anger that this idea seems to arouse.

      i wonder what the cost of people not being insured [in the us] is … both socially and financially.

      and if you think that australians are worse off healthwise than americans, then you really should get out more.

    16. PDS, NC says:

      Stop worrying about Medicare and Medicaid. These two programs will be eliminated. Gone!

    17. Roger S., MA. says:

      What difference does it make, who will be exempted from the plan? If it's a lousy plan, it should not be enacted. (And, if the plan is truely "universal", meaning one size fits all, it's probably lousy.) What gets to me with all of this: hardly anybody ever mentions the doctors' side of such planning. Their voice seems seldom heard, and even more rarely to be seriously considered.

      The horrendous budget shortfalls are bad enough. What is rarely stated explicitly, but should be clear to anybody actually thinking about the situation: If health services become "free" to all, the increase in demand will rapidly outsize the available capacity. It's a most basic lesson in economics. Even the smallest ailment, real or imagined, will prompt a doctor's visit if you don't have to pay. In order to make such an extremely unjust system have any semblance of "fairness", another huge government bureaucracy needs to be created, and numerous others expanded to watch over it so nobody "cheats". Most likely, as in the Canadian system, doctors' salaries will be tightly controlled, as will their hours, as will bureaucratic requirements demanded of them having nothing to do with the actual practice of medicine. This will lead many of them to quit or at least quit that system. (Who can blame them?) Likely as not, it will be the more able who won't put up with this. (Again, who can blame them?) This will inevitably lead to rationing, as well as other degradation of service.

      Question: Does anybody really want to be treated by a physician grudgingly putting up with this callous degradation of his calling to practice medicine, or alternatively by one to whom it's just another job? Those tempted to answer, "Yes, so what, doctor is doctor!", better think twice!

    18. ConservativeTexan, T says:

      My comment isn't long. I'm trying to officially track this item and cannot find (anywhere in any source) the actual item number that it is going by in the Senate (committee or otherwise). Can someone please post that and report on it somewhere so we can track it ourselves and research and find the text? Thanks!

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    20. Eddie MacIsaac, San says:

      Government without representation is tyranny.

    21. Lynn B. DeSpain says:

      Any fool can promise any other fool anything, but unless that promise is memorialized within the four corners of a contract, it means notheg! Wasn't it amazing how many suckers voted for P.T. Barnum last election?

      The timidity that Americans have sunk to is the true shame of our Nation, not Obama , nor the House, nor the Senate!

      We hold in our most precious of documents the Power over these people.

      Within the second paragraph of the Declaration of the United States: "To secure these rights, Governments are instituted amoung Men, deriving their powers from the "consent" of the governed,-That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government, laying its foundation on the principles and organizing its powers in such a form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

      If one were to read the Declaration and substitute Obama for any reference to the king, and Congress to Parliment. one would see that we are indeed in the midst of another tyranny and tthe beginnning of another Revolution.

      Where is our life? Wrapped up and contained in walls of Laws keeping us all confined within minimal of spaces.

      Where is our Liberty? We have none anymore; no real freedom of Press, all Press, no, "A man's home is his castle.", taxation without true representation. No individual can read 900 pages of tax law in an evening and understand it enough to truly vote on it! Pursuit of Happiness? Not with the Federal Government and the States owning over sixty percent of the land in America, and having mountains of rules on what you can and cannot do with the remaining forty percent.

      Obama is a joke. It is time to stop laughing and start doing, because this joke is a madman.

      Hozro

    22. Blake, Niceville Fla says:

      All that is happening cannot be stopped…I have written, called and emailed all of my representatives with few replys & the " replys " were a " canned reply " with no comments as to the subject matter or how they intend to vote! SO, with that , WE HAVE NO REPRESENTATION! I intend to vote for " micky mouse " for all the positions running for office in 2010. After that, all bets are off…this once Great Country we use to have is going down and we can't stop all this insanity. If the people of this Country are supporting all this socialism then it is truely over. I am not living in the " America " I grew up in….May GOD help the GOOD People of this Country!

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    24. gramaboo says:

      I would love to sign the petitions for defeating alot of these issues on the HERITAGE FOUNDATION site as well as others but who can afford around $20 a pop to sign up?

      I have a feeling Obama started a 'wish list' when in collage and now he is in office he is bringing this list to fruition! He is acting like a kid in a candy shop as he runs around the country and abroad trying to make his mark. Unfortunately he is pulling all of us along for the ride and frankly I don't want to go! In my estimation he has made alot of expensive decisions, and taken liberties with the uses of government property to jet around for dinners, shows, etc. that should have avoided since the economy is in such dire straits at this time. What is he thinking, or is he?

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    26. Wallyblu, Zion, IL says:

      If every employer would just add a little notice to the pink slips they are handing out that says "I am forced to terminate your service due to the increased costs mandated by President Obama and the Democtatic Congress", this madness might end.

    27. Harry, Illinois says:

      I believe an affordable program for health insurance should be made available to every American citizen. However, a government run program will only spell disaster for everyone.

      I currently rent a INR blood testing machine. The company that offers the machine charges $280/month including test strips and needles Prior to becoming elegible for Medicare, the Insurance Company allowed only $107/month including supplies. From there, they paid 80% and I paid the remaining amount. Since joining Medicare, they allow $149.51 including supplies. Thereafter, they pay 80% and I pay the remaining amount. This represents a $40+ premium vs. the Insurance Company. Does this make any sense? The government is not competetive at all.

      Medicare will outright purchase a motorized wheel chair (Skooter) and Diabetic equipment, and God knows whatelse, but they will NOT TRY to negotiate a one time price for this INR machine which should only cost a couple of hundred dollars at the most.

      I contacted Medicare and discussed this with them and the only reply I could get, is "That's the way it is."

      Sounds like a song I once knew.

      After all, why would the company make any offers to sell the equipment when they know that they can keep getting the rental price for the rest of my life. Which would more than pay for the machine a thousand times or more over a period of 10-20 years depending upon how long I live.

      National Health Care should not and cannot be government sponserd.

      We as a nation, both as private citizens and Corporations need to band and work together to develope an alternative to Government Run Programs. They are too deep into our lives already. We cannot keep going to the government to solve our problems. They are the problem!!

    28. Ben C, Ann Arbor, MI says:

      Kathy G, Missouri writes:

      "I went to an Obama pre-elections rally in my town with my sister who is out of state and wanted to go. In that speech he said that everyone would get the same health insurance that Congress has".

      Separate but equal Kathy G?

      Remember, Social Security will officially be in the red 2014 per the Social Security pamphlet. What happens then if we have Obamacare? Not a happy thought.

    29. Ron Derry NH says:

      If Americans can't afford health care now without an increased tax burden than how are they going to afford with a tax burden. Not only that, the lopsided taxation that is planned will put small business at a forced risk before they even start earning a living.

      I myself have a independent repair and remodeling business that last year nearly went out of business and this year I am struggling to pay bills even with my own insurance and the great and wonderful stimulus. That hasn't worked and we have yet to see the financial adjustment to the devaluation of our currency from that.

      Once congress does like Massachusetts and forces insurance and companies to insure employees the failure rate of 75% on small business start up will probably look conservative.Thi seems only to be a way to insure that our cash flow keeps going to th egovernment at a larger percentage until our earned value is theirs to dictate.

      How about all those insurers, will they go out of business and need jobs when congress becomes the Fanny Mae of insurance companies? What stimulus bail out are we looking at down the road when the 10 year promise runs into the ususal government coruption lies and fraud and we ned to shell out bilions more to save the phonie health care industry that they aim to create.

      The track record and history of government managed businesses are all in public view and they all run in a huge spiraling downward deficit that no one can stop or manage and now they want to destroy all that remains of our free market so we can live under totalitarian rule by the likes of the most inept of American.

      The only people left believeing this guy are people who are on the take with the stimulus coercion and debt increase program and those dim enough to ignore the governments failure that put the entire financial world at risk and is continueing to do so with the same ineptitude and arrogance that got us here in the first place.

      In simple math Obama and the maniacs are promising hope on your dollar and printing enough money to cover up their fraud and mismanagement long enough to pad their pockets and their allies before the debt comes due.

      When the resulting inflation hits we are going to be looking at a lot of angry people with their mouths hanging open crying , why didn't some body warn us that he was full of crap. And we will say…do you see any evidence in his background that he has any experience governing so much as a small state or township or ever running a succesful business budget??????

      The result of Obama is a lot of wishful thinking and a sure as heck raping of our monetary value.

    30. Mike Sheahen, Hickor says:

      Dear HF/The Foundry/Morning Bell, et al:

      Yet again in the article "The Houses Hidden Health Care Train Wreck", while stating some facts, and thus at least appearing to rightly oppose another diabolical so-called "Progressive (Leftist)" government elitist and statist power and money-grab, you do indeed join them at least by default when you let them define things, such as "entitlement" and "revenue enhancer", and repeat them accordingly.

      First of all, when it comes to "entitlement", the one "entitlement" for which the American Revolution was fought, upon which and for which the United States of America was founded, (and which has caused and continues to cause so many people to risk everything including their lives to come here and have), is the right of people to be free of government control, which is according "the laws of nature, not as a gift of (government)" as Thomas Jefferson said, despite the claims and efforts of government elitists and statists for government dependence and control even throughout our history.

      As for "revenue enhancer", it is repeatedly shown and proven in history to this day, including ours, that raising and creating taxes is no government "revenue enhancer" but is instead a government revenue reducer, as it takes money from the people, which cuts our economic activity, which cuts businesses and jobs, all of which presents government with less to tax and thus reduced instead of enhanced government revenue.

      To put it another way, as on a bumper sticker on a vehicle I once had, "Higher taxes, or Hire Workers", which means one or the other but not both.

      Of course these facts, and those presented in aforementioned article, are in fact true, but when anyone lets the government elitist and statist power and money-grabbing so-called "Progressive (Left)" define things, and they are repeated accordingly, that is indeed a favorite "Trojan Horse" tool of theirs which is detrimental, at best, to the message, freedoms, resources, and security of "We, the People".

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    33. Lee-White Tanks AZ says:

      What ever happened to the idea of a "government" sponsered "Catastophic Illness" insurence program. I seem to reme ber one that was passed during Reagan's administration.

      A significant part of the "rational" for this Uterus to grave Democratic Boondoggle of monumental proportions is said to be based on the need to aliviate people of the costs associated with "Very High Doller" illness such as Cancer.

      What happened to this almost tolerable answer to a big part of the "problem"

      Also, why on earth isn't Fraud and Tort reform major factors in any porposed Health Care program.??

      Could it possibly be that this has not one d*****d thing to do with Health Care. It has to do with the "Sovietization" of almost 20% of our economy.

      Add this 20% to the Housing and Financial Industries and the Automotive Industy and the Energy Industry AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST "SMALL BUSINESS" (This thru Energy and Health Care controls), and not much is left of the US economy that has not come under the Washington District of Corruption socialist/Obama banner.

      PC is Thought Control

      LEE

    34. Deb, Richmond, VA says:

      I would like to see a CBO estimate of the cost of expansion of the federal health care plan currently in place to all citizens (and the 40+ million non-citizens?) with options of premium rates across the board. No new bureaucracy, just expansion of the current structure due to size. Keep all rules of the current Plan intact. How would that stack up to the estimates for the 1,000 page boondoggle?

    35. ella quinn n.c. says:

      Blake donot give up.Oneday a door will open for all of us.God can stop this if we belive he will.i am angry about all of obamas mess also.I will not give up. Some one will come to our rescue.Do vote in 2010.I am very distraught about all this mess.

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    37. Judith of The Great says:

      Not only is this bill a 'train wreck', it is a wrecking ball aimed directly at the American free-market enterprise system.

      The president and his co-conspiritors are not dumb or stupid. They are cunning, deadly serious, and know exactly what they are doing. The hidden goal is complete control over every aspect of your life, a'la Cuba and Venezuela. (That is what Mr. O meant when he said that the Stimulus is working as planned!)

      I think even some Democrats are being hood-winked. We are all being lied to, big time.

      Yes, I too, call and e-mail congress people constantly but get no responses, or canned ones. We should let those who vote for this obscene bill know that they will be fired at the next election.

      To those of you who do not see a problem with this health care proposal, please call a local college and sign up for classes in Economics. Perhaps then you could make an intelligent assessment of the situation before giving your ill-informed opinions.

    38. chyatt, albuquerque says:

      Train wreck? Understatement. No down stream thought going on. This bill will prove that politicians are educated beyond their level of intelligence. Too much, too fast. This bill is going to sink American business. Those first to go on it should be our elected officials. Vote them out of office in 2010, do it again in 2012. We have seen enough crap from politicians.

    39. Patricia,Hobbs,N.M. says:

      The healthcare plan that we will all have is different from what the president and congress will have. Nothing will change for them,saying to me that they are much more important than us peons. They should stop and remember that it is the peons paying their incomes. This healthcare bill is just one more step in the march to one world government.They have pretty much destroyed the value of the dollar and that is the beginning of globalization. In fact the global coin was unveiled at the g-8 summit last week.The next thing to probably go will be our military. They will hand it over to the U.N. They have already cut military spending and with everything going on in the world there is no way that they will be able to pay for it with spending cuts. We will soon hear that we have a one world military force run by the U.N. They are destroying our Christian religion in this country upon which this country was founded in favor of a melting pot of religions that don't include Judeo- Christian beliefs. I am truly afraid and saddened for my children and grandchild as they will never know the great country that I grew up in. Healthcare isn't about healthcare. It's just something to focus on while the real damage is being done behind our backs while we are focused on other things. If everything was aboveboard the healthcare bill wouldn't have been hidden in a climate change bill and there would be no need to sneak 300 more pages into it at 3a.m. the morning before it was to be voted on. We at this time need to turn back to God, Have the biggest revival this country has ever seen and take our country back. It wasn't perfect but it was alot better than what Obamas minions want for us. It was still better than anything any other country has come up with. I think that's why other countries want to see us fail. Are we going to let them see us fail or are we going to band together and fight for our country? There's not much time left. Pray for this country and for your families too.

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    42. Randal Coombes, FL says:

      You know, I keep reading about all of these people who are "uninsured" and that the American taxpayer (read: Both houses of congress and the current occupant of the White House) must foot the "bill" to make sure that those without insurance must be insured. Well, there is an easy fix to that. I've been employed all of my adult life and have never been without health insurance. If I didn't like the plan that my employer offered, I called up Blue Cross and Blue Shield and bought a policy and paid out of my pocket and reported that information to my employer as the reason for "declining coverage". It's not that hard. So my point is this…why should I work and earn a good salary and pay more in taxes for someone else to have health care because they're too f***ing stupid to get it for themselves? That's what this whole issue boils down to for me. As for "skyrocketing health care", I take issue with that. I pay my premiums and my employer pays the balance and gets the tax credit for doing so. Not a big deal. If I have to use my health care, I pay $15 out of pocket to visit my primary care physician. Hate to sound like a broken record but doesn't personal responsibility come into play here? I had a co-worker that was diagnosed with cancer and of course he had to pick up the cost of the co-pay and a percentage of the cost for seeing a cancer specialist (10%) but if a person manages their money properly they will be able to take care of their responsibility, to themselves and their family, if they have any. I certainly don't want the imperial federal government in charge of my health care.

    43. Nicholas Del Giudice says:

      Many of us are going to the PNC in Holmdel, NJ today to protest against the madness the Administration and Congress are engaging in. We don't know how close we will get the enemy but we will try.

    44. Wilbur Burnett Pal says:

      Question,-If we are unluckly and end up with this Gov. run health plan that the president Obama wants,what will the happen to Veterans retirement benifits such as Tricare and Veterans Hospitals and medical care. And will concress have to fall under the new Goverment Health coverage.

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