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  • Morning Bell: EPA Admits Cap-and-Trade Will Fail

    The Senate Environment and Public Works Committee began their hearings on the 1,500 page Waxman-Markey cap-and-trade legislation Tuesday, and ranking member Senator James Inhofe (R-OK) won a startling admission from Environmental Protection Agency administrator Lisa Jackson. Inhofe produced an EPA chart generated last year during the Senate’s debate of the Lieberman-Warner cap-and-trade legislation. The chart showed that the carbon reductions under that bill would not materially effect global carbon concentrations in the atmosphere. Inhofe then asked Jackson if she agreed with the chart’s conclusions. Jackson replied: “I believe that essential parts of the chart are that the U.S. action alone will not impact CO2 levels.”

    Also, at the hearing, Energy Secretary Steven Chu said he did not agree with chart. This is interesting ,since all the best science confirms Inhofe’s and Jackson’s conclusions. For example, a recent study of cap-and-trade by MIT concluded: “The different U.S. policies have relatively small effects on the CO2 concentration if other regions do not follow the U.S. lead…The Developed Only scenario cuts only about 0.5 °C of the warming from the reference, again illustrating the importance of developing country participation.”

    So how is that “developing country participation” going? The New York Times reports from the Group of 8 summit in L’Aquila, Italy: “The world’s biggest developing nations, led by China and India, refused Wednesday to commit to specific goals for slashing heat-trapping gases by 2050, undercutting the drive to build a global consensus by the end of this year to reverse the threat of climate change.” For anyone that has been following the issue, this development should come as no surprise. On June 30th of this year India’s Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh told Bloomberg: “India will not accept any emission-reduction target — period. This is a non-negotiable stand.” China has also made it explicitly clear that they view the carbon tariffs in the Waxman-Markey bill as a violation of World Trade Organization rules.

    So if other countries will not sacrifice their own economic growth to meet carbon cutting goals, then what is the economic hit Americans are taking? The left is touting a recent Congressional Budget Office study which they say shows Waxman-Markey would only cost Americans $175 a year. However, the left is seriously misrepresenting what the CBO study is. Footnote three on page four of the CBO study explicitly admits: “The resource cost does not indicate the potential decrease in gross domestic product (GDP) that could result from the cap. The reduction in GDP would also include indirect general equilibrium effects, such as changes in the labor supply resulting from reductions in real wages and potential reductions in the productivity of capital and labor.” In other words, the CBO study is not an economic analysis at all. Instead it is a simple accounting of how energy tax revenue that Waxman-Markey collects is distributed. When the economic costs of Waxman-Markey are included, the harm to American families skyrockets. According to Heritage’s Center for Data Analysis Waxman-Markey will decrease GDP in 2020 by $161 billion (2009 dollars). For a family of four, that is $1,870 that the CBO simply ignores.

    All economic pain, for no environmental gain. No wonder the Obama economy is failing.

    Quick Hits:

    • According to USA Today, counties that supported President Obama last year have reaped twice as much money per person from the administration’s $787 billion economic stimulus package as those that voted for his Republican rival, Sen. John McCain.
    • U.S. authorities are eyeing North Korea as the origin of the cyber attack that overwhelmed government websites in the United States and South Korea.
    • He’s already banned spending city money to buy bottled water and mandated composting citywide. Now San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom’s latest: mandates on healthier food.
    • Massachusetts will challenge the constitutionality of the federal law that defines marriage as the union of a man and a woman.
    • The Obama administration announced yesterday that it will spend $18 million in additional funds to redesign the Recovery.gov Web site.
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    53 Responses to Morning Bell: EPA Admits Cap-and-Trade Will Fail

    1. David Sayers, NC says:

      This is just another left wing socialist piece of fraud legislation. It will cost us dearly but will make others a lot of money. It will do nothing for algores global warming nonsense because it just that,nonsense. Besides, they already admit that if the rest of the world isn't on board,it's not going to work anyway. These morons are working on legislating a theory when there are real world problems to be dealt with. They all have to go,and soon. How much more can we take?

    2. Steve, Michigan says:

      "Lots of economic pain for no environmental gain." That's a good mantra for the debate. Actually, even if the other countries were on board, there is no proven science behind any actual reductions in temperatures by reducing CO2 emissions – it's all unproven predictive modeling, using models with assumptions for which there is no agreement. This is one big worldwide science experiment, at huge cost. Unlike all other experiments, however, we'll have no control population. Even after we're done wrecking our economy and the world's economy, we will not know whether the CO2 changes made any difference whatsoever because we will not know what would have happened without wrecking the worldwide economy.

    3. Nelia, AZ says:

      Cap and Trade has nothing to do with controlling carbon emmissions – it is all about another means to control people.

    4. joe jackson says:

      It is unbelievable what they are doing to MY great beautiful free nation! It is fightening. I feel as though I am living some kind of strange movie, and I keep hoping it is just a bad dream , but I know it is not. This reality of this adminstration is terribly frightening.

    5. David, Wisconsin says:

      Carbon dioxide is NOT pollution!!! That's the real scientific consensus, start at the Heartland Institute and go from there. Gore is right, the science is settled, just not in his favor, thats why he refuses to debate the topic. To accept the premise that CO2 levels need to be reduced concedes the point, now you're just negotiating the terms of your surrender. It's time to take the offensive, I'm sick of watching "conservatives" fold under the bogus arguments of these envirolunatics! The prosperity of the country is in the balance, it's time to put these zealots back where they belong.

    6. jim smith says:

      Sooner or later this will spin into another "Nobama Moment". His explanation will require anyone around him to be wearing a lightening protection device. The media will begin using the new, upgraded Pinochhiometer II. The teleprompters will be moved back an additional six feet and the copy will be enlarged to accomodate the new distance.

    7. okiejim Oklahoma says:

      When are the citizens of this once great country going to wake up? We have seen time and time again that this administration rewards its friends and punishes its enemies. First the unions, now the counties (and probably the states) that supported Obama in the election are being rewarded. What happened to "Government of the people, by the people, and for the people?" The words do not mean just the people who have been friendly to the current administration. Hooray to "USA Today" for publicising the facts finally.

      Shame on the states and counties for showing their greed and avarice by participating in the Stimulus Package Program. Our children will suffer, as will their children for years to come as a result of the so called Stimulus.

    8. sandy arizona says:

      term limits my friends, term limits nationwide.

    9. Joseph Ruffino, Merr says:

      Obama's pushing for the false conclusions of carbon ommissions just proves his intent to ruin the USA.

    10. Whicket Williams Kin says:

      Will america wake up and reject this insanity before it is to late? We must fire more than 50% of elected represenitives regardless of party and empty retoric in order to stop this. Is it possible, or are the american people totally helples under the onslaught? Every individual, myself included, must vote AGAINST all incumbents. It REALLY doen't matter which party, or who wins, if we do not remove at LEAST 50% of incumbents, they will just continue to ingnore us as helpless sheep, and continue on thier merry way, making slaves of us all.

    11. Matthew C Campbell says:

      Pray to be delivered from an evil dictator.

    12. Jeremiah says:

      The CBO study forgets to mention one incredibly important factor. Waxman Markey will be an unprecedented driver of energy efficiency projects that are low cost and easy to implement. To that end, the "postage stamp a day" estimate is a worst-case scenario for American families.

      And the CBO doesn't forecast GDP because it's like trying to predict the weather 3 years from now.

    13. g smith, dallas, tx says:

      WE NEED A NEW REVOLUTION IN THIS COUNTRY…..THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE IS NO LONGER BEING REPRESENTED IN CONGRESS.

    14. Ken Jarvis - Las Veg says:

      WHY will it fail?

    15. Richard Cancemi, Arl says:

      The premise that Global Climate is a function of human activity has been debunked by legitimate World Scientists. Only charlatans are pushing it for political control and destruction of our economy and only ignorant and downright idiots believe the likes of Al Gore! Congressmen need to start working for their constituents and not Party Ideology.

      It is a major scam. Cap and Trade Bills should be JUNKED!

      The whole effort is another attack on American Capitalism and Human Rights and Freedoms. The goal is to foster an all-controlling Government under Socialism.

    16. Maia says:

      The America I grew up in doesn't wait for China and India to become leaders.

    17. Richard Cancemi, Arl says:

      How do you spell Obama and Liberal Democrats?

      R-E-C-A-L-L and I-M-P-E-A-C-H-M-E-N-T

    18. Walt Moore, Natchito says:

      In addition, Obama is losing the diplomatic "war" also. His "why can't we all get along' and "we apologize for being Americans" rhetoric are directly related to the increase in the deaths of our soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq. We lose the fear factor that was created in this Islamo-fascists by "making nice." Is it time for some more "Shock-and-Awe?" I understood that the war in Afghanistan was the "right war." Weren't we going after OBL regardless of whose borders we violated? I think we need to get the shackles of liberalism off of us!

    19. Jake,LHC says:

      obama and the democrat the party of NO-NO-ACCOUNTIBILITY. You can't believe a thing axlerod, rahmbo the vulgar, harry, reid, schummmmer, dodd, frank, or peloski says.

      peloski the elcrapo carbon creates job overseas and would cause Amercia to lose another 3 million jobs by the end of 2009. Its time to fire the Senator and Congressman for allowing this to happen to the taxpaqyers the last 20 years. we have to take back our country NOW from thei marxist.

    20. John, Arizona says:

      What is it going to take to get rid of the congressmen and women who don't seem to have a clue what's going on in this country?

      My fear is that the likes of Waxman,Markey, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, etc. etc. etc. will be re-elected because not enough Americans take the time to know where these cretins are coming from.

    21. David Barth, CFA, Ju says:

      If this becomes law it won't take long for the public to become aware that their standard of living will decline as our increases in production costs will disadvantage our economic trade's competitive position.

      The irony is that we will be benefiting China, Russia and India while not helping the environment one bit.

      When politicians don't know what to do and politically they think they must do something this stupidity is what sums this bill up.

    22. David Barth, CFA, Ju says:

      Addendum:

      If the bill is on the books we know that, if ever, we can get it off as the bureaucrats will fight for their useless jobs, which will be high paying.

      By the time we can rectify the economic destruction our economy will be so crushed that it could take a century, if ever, to restore our position. Also, we will not be able to support a military sufficient to defend the nation.

    23. Noah, NH says:

      If we want this scam to get beat in the Senate, people need to focus on one thing only: follow the money. Forget about climate, forget about socialism, just look at the "trade" aspect. A trillion-dollar market is being created for the benefit of a very few: the traders of carbon-offsets on Wall Street who pushed this bill. Note the opposition to this bill from true environmentalists. They know there will be little if any carbon reduction because the purchase of carbon-offsets is simply a license to pollute. The climate-saving pretext is a red herring. Liberals can see this and be more outraged than conservatives; nobody is saving the planet, the oligarchy is just cashing in. Once you understand the game, you see how insidious it is: those selling the big scare and its "solution" (not!) are the very ones who will manipulate the capping and trading to profit from it, at our expense. Congress is complicit in the fraud. Only when Americans realize the next Enron is at hand will they wake up. Time to start shouting.

    24. C.C. W.V. says:

      Gensis 8:21-22 And the Lord smelled a sweet savor;and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake;for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more thing living, as I have done. 22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest,and cold and heat,and summer and winter and day and night shall not cease. (KJV)

      The Lord made this statement after the flood of Noah. We need to have faith in what the Lord said and quit running scared every time people say global warming,

    25. wayne, Wisconsin says:

      Look, if we want to get our message out (opposing cap & tax), y'all have got to stick to the facts. All of this "Obama is trying to ruin America" and "Global warming is a hoax" makes us sound like a bunch of lunatics with anger management problems.

    26. Ron, Derry NH says:

      Carbon emissions are so negligible that the argument is false anyway….water vapor is the natural process of heating and cooling on this planet since it makes up 75% of the atmospheric gases and not only reflex sunlight but absorbs heat and transfers readily in all environments.

      Carbon is a dismally small amount and has been used as a red herring for the uneducated to fall under, because it can be measurably used against industry. Water vapor can't be used as a weapon against the industrious so the fascist's can't use it as a weapon against a specific group.

      If Carbon emissions were a threat then why is this planet based on a fertile use of carbon known as the carbon cycle??

      Why when Mt St Helen's blew off and all that Carbon and noxious gas spewed out did we not lose the Ozone layer overnight?

      Why is anyone listening to these buffoons who base their scientific knowledge on computer models that are altered so as to extort money for grants for unemployed college grads and not on factual evidence from tree rings, wine growers and 100's of years of physical evidence that points to periodic spikes in world temps frequenting almost cyclic and unrelated to mankind?

      Why is alleged global warming considered a bad moral issue when warmth may as well be better than cold for us, and may just be a good thing for the planet???

      I guess one lie is as good as another to maintain financial pressure on America and its survival to insure agenda driven politics stays on top of the heap, rather than knowledge based science or rationale.

      The agenda of the left is to rule America not let it survive, with liberty and independence but with restrictions and government instilled coercion. The left has a near fanatical rhetorical smear going against productivity and the productive to insure that the hard working give over all independents so they may dish it out as a political favor for their advantage. An advantage they are too incompetent to earn through effort, personal sacrifice or inventive production of a worthwhile alternative that can compete on its own.

      If one can't gain power by fulfilling a need one creates it by oppression. Oppression only offends people who would like to share independence and liberty but finds favor in those that desire to subjugate another for their own personal gain. Thus the left and its followers fall in love with methods to oppress, since few of them rise to power and prominence without extorting their value on a lie, a presumption or some one elses dollar.

      Coercion and extortion are the enemy of liberty, yet our government not only authors it daily but finds willing supporters who justify it's destruction of freedom, liberty and our value as humans. It is a sorry testament to America that we have become acceptant of this behavior toward our own people at the hands of any party using it against our founding principles…..but at present, the government itself doesn't care too much for anything that doesn't promote communism and a fascist dictatorship, as their basic lifestyle is to high jack some one elses value and use It for their own ill gotten worth.

    27. Dennis A. Social Cir says:

      The Cap and Trade people are all puppets on a string for obama, they will say what ever makes their master happy."The Chosen One" has said he wants this bill, never mind that noone has read or will read the bill, the people in aposition to tell what it really means will not be given the opportunity to relay their feelings or the TRUTH.

      People need to wake up and smell the stink before it is to late.

    28. Connie, Texas says:

      If Al Gore and Obama and their buddies really believed that we are causing the death of our planet, they would curb their jetting around in their private or government-owned planes trying to force the rest of us to cut back for now, then as soon as possible, trying to send us back to the stone ages.This is one of the dumbest things they have tried to put over on the taxpayer. We need to throw their a–es out at the first chance we get. As for Gore, the best we could do to him is to ignore him.He wouldn't be able to stand that.

    29. Ben C, Ann Arbor, MI says:

      For Ken in Vegas:

      The "why" is related to soalr flares and not CO2 emmissions. I have not heard why India and China are dead set against attempts to regulate CO2 emmisions but perhaps their scientists are brighter than Al Gore and realize the effort to conrol climate change will be futile. Its solar cycles, not humans, that have the greatest effect on our climate. Failure to understand this concept is the "why" our current administration is taking us down a horrible path. Kudo's to China and India. If they bought the notion of CO2 we would be in a world of hurt shortly with "Cap and Tax" – and the sun will continue to do its thing.

    30. Jake,LHC says:

      global warming is a hoax just like obama Climate Change is natural occurring.

      obama is an incompetent LIAR and is killing the United State of America with his foney fraudulent polices.

      Is that better Wayne in Wisconsin. nothing but the truth and facts.

    31. Charles LaBounty, Me says:

      Efforts to bring pressure to our our elected officials has ben pretty much nullified.

      Remember 8 Republican congresspeople in the House voted for this Cap & Trade (bill 2454). The Republicans could have stopped this piece of garbage legislation but were probably bought off.

      Certainly the vote of Congressman John McHugh (R-NY) appears to have been bought with his nomination to the position of Secretary of the Army on June 2.

      It seems obama with get his cap & trade, national helth care, Card Check and finally HR 45 (gun control) — then all will be lost.

    32. Harry, Illinois says:

      The problem with "BO" is that he keeps making promises he may not be able to keep. He's at the G8 Summit today stating that we are leading the way. We haven't even passed a bill yet on Cap and Trade. Until either Cap and Trade or Health Care is officially passed, he shouldn't be making comments that may not be true. He sites California as an example to follow are far as clean air is concerned, but they have the highest electric bills in the nation. I'm sure the rest of the world is watching to see if what he says materializes here in the U.S. Whether he realizes it or not, not everyone is going to fall for his wishfull thinking.

    33. ella quinn n.c. says:

      Their were 35,000 at the tea party in dallas the other day.People are tired of this mess from obama.I think their is another tea party july 17. I hope their will be a million at one of the tea parties.

    34. Harry, Illinois says:

      Sandy from Arizona. U R absolutly right!!!!!

      I have been advocating TERM LIMITS for a long time. We as voters do not need an ammendment to the constitution to get these non-representatives out of office. If they have served two terms out they go. Good or Bad. Mr. Byrd from from either West Virgina or Virgina, I'm not sure which state, has been a fixture in Congress for GOD knows how many years. No one can tell me he doesn't have an empty pockets.

    35. Connie Texas says:

      Global warming is a hoax” makes us sound like a bunch of lunatics with anger management problems.

      Wayne, are you saying that man-made global warming is a FACT? If so, you need to do some more research. Even the EPA can't tell us it is, with a straight face anymore. Why do you think the name has changed from 'Global Warming' to 'Climate Change' all of a sudden? Nobody with a brain thinks the climate started changing after humans inhabited this planet.It was changing long before then. Think about it.

    36. Lee-White Tanks AZ says:

      Some times I wish I could grab some of these authors by their necks and give them a sound shaking. This author used the phrase "heat trapping gases". CO2, the primary target of this legislation is simply not a Heat Trapping Gas to any discernible extent.

      When mixed with the other gases making up our atmosphere its contribution to atmospheric heating can not be reliably measured. Just for comparison purposes, in the laboratory CH4 Methane holds heat at a rate 20+ times that of CO2.

      Going a little further the heat of our atmosphere is 99.9% a function of the suns rays and water vapor. Water vapor makes up 95% of all "green house" gases is our atmosphere.

      Does anyone see where I am going here? CO2 is not a factor by any stretch in atmospheric warming. Furthermore, it is not a pollutant. Does anybody remember their basic science and what is known as the Carbon Cycle.

      If we screw around with the carbon dioxide content of our atmosphere we are playing with "fire". This cycle is well defined and absolutely necessary to life on this planet. We are not yet gods even if some in our government and universities seem to think that they can act as one. Playing around with our atmosphere and our oceans (as some would have us do) is just plain insanity. And, basing economic decisions of the "flaky" science that Religion (ALGORIAN AGW) that supports it is even more insane.

      For the sake of clarity and to help the people better understand the "role" or "lack thereof" of CO2 in our atmosphere please do not lump it in with other greenhouse gases that do retain heat to some significant degree.

      PC is Thought Control (this is the methodology of creating these and nurturing these false premises. If one controls the meaning of words one controls the tools of thought)

      LEE

    37. IMS MILTON,DE says:

      Any slightly intelligent person without sciance background must understand we cannot control our planets cycles. Al Gore sciance is only allowing him to earn his 100 mil sofar.

      China and India and most underdeveloped countries are and will be biggest polluters regardless what we do. Our planet needs CO2 as most of us know.

    38. Karen, California says:

      You listen to these bills being pushed through Congress without even being read or evaluated. If we as citizens signed a contract without reading it first and complained later that we didn't know what we signed, the courts would tell us "too bad, you signed it". When Congress does it and it fails, they say "too bad, you elected us".

      When we run up our credit cards and can't pay, we are told "too bad, nobody told you to spend all that money". When Congress runs up our deficit and gets China to back our spending, do you think China is going to say "that's okay if you don't have it to pay back"? No way! They'll say "too bad, nobody told you to spend it all, pay me". And, who will pay it? We will, the citizens, not Congress. Or, Does China get to claim this country as the bank gets to claim your house if you can't pay? Or, does the U.S. government say, "We'll give you a house to live in. We'll choose which car you'll drive. We'll tell you when you can use electricity and when you can't. We'll tell you if you can travel someplace or not. We'll tell you what doctor or hospital you can use and when. We'll tell you which foods you can eat and what you can't depending on your size. We'll even tell you what you can smoke and where. What you can drink. What college your going to even if you don't want to? Why we may even have everybody wear the same kind of clothes because it cheaper. Isn't life in the United States WONDERFUL. And all this is going to cost you is your total paycheck! Don't worry everybody will be working to help pay off the deficit except, of course, us in Congress and the White House. We have to keep up appearances. We will give you an allowance, though, every week so you can buy some little trinket for yourself. Thank you for electing us and letting us run your life!"

      I know I sound cynical BUT I love this country. I'm not a Republican or a Democract. I try to vote for the person or persons that I feel will do the best for this country by building it up, not destroying it. Today, I'm sad.

    39. Frank Ansonia C says:

      Maybe the Heriage Foundation could answer me one very important question; how come ABC, CBS ,& NBC HAVE NOT COVERED ANY NEWS about global warming ??are they waiting for it to get passed and rammed down our throats, seems to me they are not doing there obligation to inform the public what is really going on with the global warming bill & how it is going to effect every person in a very negative way; less jobs higher gas prices & electric rates all energy is going to go through the roof.

    40. Spiritof76 says:

      Good for China and India for telling the rest of the clowns at the G-8 to go pound sand on carbon emission. The whole premise of carbon dioxide and global warming is bogus. They are not accepting our stupidity based on bogus science. Stupid US will enrich China and India through the stupid Cap and Trade. How would you like to live in a third world country? Get ready, it is coming.

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    43. Roy Reed, Las Vegas says:

      The problem with impeachment of obama is we sre left with biden, oh God, that is just as bad, I agree we need to get Obama out…plus the all the democrats!!! it's amazing how many people csn't see what he is doing,obama that is.. When and if all of these laws go through people will be eased into it and will adjust… having nothing will be a way of life….How stupid is THAT????? There are so many things taking place that you don't even know about, until it is to late!!! Another thing, Obama and family running all around the world….all the big cars he is being hauled around in Then there $200,000.000 he makes a year(or more). Not to mention the millions given to other countries… Just who do you think is paying for that??????? What about all the people in this country who are poor?? We are being forced into cars we don't want. Power we don't want to pay for… It's like we shouldn't have anything or shouldn't go anywhere. Sounds like a Dictatorship to me!!! Why can't we drill for oil or natural gas, which we have a lot of, Excuse me, the government wouldn't make any money. Sick of hearing about the abortion law. The government shouldn't be in that discussion. as that should be between a women and her doctor, PERIOD!!!

    44. J. White, south Jers says:

      I have been involved in the enviornmental "movement" since 1967; and, in the ensuing years, I met very few "environmentalists" who had a clue about which they were talking. Long on wishful, childish "thinking" with ersatz science, but very short on substance and the very real reality of how industry AND the environment function.

      Have there been, and still are, firms [AND nations- China and India, and parts of AFRICA] that do not care about the environment, yes. And, it is nth degree of arrogance for the USA to impose its " environmental values" on the rest of the world.

      That having been written: When has ANY government or its agencies ever properly managed anything whatsoever. Therefore, it should come as no surprise to anyone that the so-called "Scientific conclusions" about the effects of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are at odds with every "scientific" paper produced. The scientists produce the results those who pay for the strudies "expect".

      I was a department manager [Chemistry/power boilers] and told my consultant to tell me what I NEEDED to hear and NOT what I wanted to hear. These "scientists" are not doing that from all eveidence so far.

      There is a paper that carefully, and properly evaluates how and where thesae "measurments" are taken in the USA. Read it, it is scary because for all but a few, the "data" gathered is fallacious, or perhaps, phallacious in terms of the impact on this nation's industrial base; better known as consumer products at a reasonable cost- whether food, electricity, or feul for transportation.

      The "cap and trade" bill is an onscenity of the mnost insidious and perverse sort. It reflects the ultimate arrogance of the Congress and the phony who poses as the President of the USA.

    45. Scott Ivlow ,Florida says:

      Sentor Bill Nelson of Florida who lacks any common sence of his own that when the day comes for the vote on this Cap and Trade bill that lacks any common sense in this idiotic piece of legislation, I gurantee you he will vote yes for this piece garbage. No matter writing to him because it will not change his vote. If the voters would have voted for Katherin Harris in '06 there would be 59 Democrats today instead of 60. This leaves a question who's dumber the idiot voters in Florida who voted for him or the Senator him-self?

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    50. Stephen Wahls Loomis says:

      Do you suppose they are using the same supper computer to figure out where climate change is going as they did to figure out where the economy went? If you were to transpose the graph of the direction of the economy on global change after 30 days we'd have to start over. and we could say we misread. Right?

    51. Greg, Vail, AZ says:

      One of THE major causes of temperature rise on the earth is almost NEVER mentioned. In addition to solar flares, the earth warms itself form the INSIDE. Underwater volcanoes are THE major cause of the oceans warming. Volcanic activity on the oceans floor is higher than at anytime since such events were recorded. This is a cyclic event. Eons ago the earth had average temps as much as 20 degrees F. higher than today. Like man, as the earth ages, she goes through growing pains. THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO TO STOP THIS!!! It is insanity to believe that by reducing an element that makes up less than 1% of the atmospheric gases we will have any effect at all on imaginary "global warming".

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