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  • Morning Bell: Waxman-Markey an Energy Tax That Doesn't Work

    Later today, the House of Representatives is slated to vote on the most convoluted attempt at economic central-planning this nation has ever attempted: cap and trade. The 1,200-plus page Waxman-Markey climate change legislation is nothing more than an energy tax in disguise that by 2035 will raise:

    • Gasoline prices by 58 percent
    • Natural gas prices by 55 percent
    • Home heating oil by 56 percent
    • Worst of all, electricity prices by 90 percent

    Although proponents of the bill are pointing to grossly underestimated and incorrect costs, the reality is when all the tax impacts have been added up, the average per-family-of-four costs rise by $2,979 per year. In the year 2035 alone, the cost is $4,609. And the costs per family for the whole energy tax aggregated from 2012 to 2035 are $71,493.

    But on second thought, cap and trade is much more than that.

    It Kills Jobs: Over the 2012-2035 timeline, job losses average over 1.1 million. By 2035, a projected 2.5 million jobs are lost below the baseline (without a cap and trade bill). Particularly hard-hit are sectors of the economy that are very energy-intensive: Manufacturers, farmers, construction, machinery, electrical equipment and appliances, transportation, textiles, paper products, chemicals, plastics and rubbers, and retail trade would face staggering employment losses as a result of Waxman-Markey. It’s worth noting the job losses come after accounting for the green jobs policymakers are so adamant about creating. But don’t worry, because the architects of the bill built in unemployment insurance; too bad it will only help 1.5% of those losing their jobs from the bill.

    It Destroys Our Economy: Just about everything we do and produce uses energy. As energy prices increase, those costs will be passed onto the consumer and reflected in the higher prices we pay for products. Higher energy prices will cause reduced income, less production, and an economy that falls way short of its potential. The average Gross Domestic Product (GDP) lost is $393 billion, hitting a high of $662 billion in 2035. From 2012-2035, the accumulated GDP lost is $9.4 trillion. The negative economic impacts accumulate, and the national debt is no exception. The increase in family-of-four debt, solely because of Waxman-Markey, hits an almost unbelievable $114,915 by 2035.

    It Provides Red Meat for Lobbyists: Businesses, knowing very well this would impose a severe cost on their bottom line, sent their lobbyists to Washington to protect them. And it worked. Most of the allowances (the right to emit carbon dioxide) have been promised to industry, meaning less money will be rebated back to the consumer. Free allowances do not lower the costs of Waxman-Markey; they just shift them around. In other words, everyday Americans are going to be footing the bill. Although the government awarded handouts to businesses, the carbon dioxide reduction targets are still there, and the way they will be met is by raising the price of energy and thereby inflicting more economic pain. Prices have to go up enough to force people to use less energy, and so if anyone is bought off with free allowances, the costs for everyone else are that much higher.

    There’s one thing the Waxman-Markey cap and trade bill doesn’t do: Work. All of the above-mentioned costs accrue in the first 25 years of a 90-year program that, as calculated by climatologists, will lower temperatures by only hundredths of a degree Celsius in 2050 and no more than two-tenths of a degree Celsius at the end of the century. In the name of saving the planet for future generations, Waxman-Markey does not sound like a great deal: millions of lost jobs, trillions of lost income, 50-90 percent higher energy prices, and stunning increases in the national debt, all for undetectable changes in world temperature. Who’s buying that?

    Quick Hits:

    • Yesterday, the State Department announced it will resume full diplomatic relations with Venezuela. On Wednesday, the U.S. sent an Ambassador to Syria for the first time since 2005.
    • Yesterday, nearly 100,000 North Koreans attended a mass rally against the U.S. as the communist nation vowed to build its nuclear capacity and warned of a “fire shower of nuclear retaliation.”
    • Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov signaled that they would not join other nations at the G8 Summit in condemning Iran, calling the protests and violence an “exercise in democracy.”
    • President Obama met with a bipartisan group of lawmakers on Thursday on immigration reform, cautioning that nothing should be expected this year.
    • ABC News’ Wednesday night special ‘Questions for the President’ struggled for viewers, attracting the lowest number of viewers in its timeslot.
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    75 Responses to Morning Bell: Waxman-Markey an Energy Tax That Doesn't Work

    1. Eugene says:

      We must stop this! Follow me and the movement to stop these liberals (aka progressives) at
      http://twitter.com/ampatriot005

    2. Jon Zayicek, Chesape says:

      I was just reading an article on CNN (which I do not trust) stating that the CBO is saying it will only cost the average American household about $175 a year by 2035. How can the numbers be so far off? Is the number from the CBO correct?

    3. Brook says:

      Cap and Trade is going to destroy the Democratic Party. One more cold winter like 09 and who is going to take any of these people seriously? The Aussie government (currently winter there) has shelved their climate legislation due to the growing skepticism about the science.

    4. Matt, Cleveland says:

      The CBO must only be calculating the cost of directly purchasing electricity. We all know that, since everything we do requires energy, there will be built-in costs for all the goods and services we buy.

    5. Matthew, Kentucky says:

      Waxman-Markey is the Smoot-Hawley of Depression 2.0. I wonder if our grandchildren will be worrying about "saving the planet" when they have no free country to protect them from Bin Laden, Kim Jong-il, Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, insert-your-favorite-barbarian-here.

    6. Stella Olivas says:

      I am a staunch Republican. I am a supporter of President Bush. I believe he did Alot for the country behind the scene that was not reported or mentioned.

      You should put a visual report on how a pay check will look on the taxes taken out today and how it will look in the future because of Obama.

      Thank you!

    7. Bob, Kalamazoo says:

      How can a bill that is understandable be 1500 pages long? Every interest group except the private citizen has to have their agenda included for it to be that long. We must go back to The Constitution and begin righting the wrongs that have occured. "We The People" must take a stand and act before the well meaning politicians ruin our great nation. We must not be fooled by retoric and smooth talkers. Snake oil vendors have been around for centuries. We must not confuse activity with accomplishment. We must not allow Congress to produce a camel when they set out to produce a racehorse.

    8. Richard Cancemi, Arl says:

      This Bill if passed will destroy the economy and America before it destroys the Democratic Party. But the democrats wont care; they will re-name themselves what they truly are: the Socialist Party.

      We've got a"Democratic" majority of traitors and lunatics and idiots running (ruining) the Country!

    9. Les, Virginia says:

      Why do these "supposedly" intelligent people not understand that a government body with an agenda such as this cannot sustain itself unless it evolves into a dictatorship.

      WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING. THE ONLY "SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP" SHOULD BE THE PEOPLE.

      POLITITIANS BE DAMNED AND BEWARE FOR THE DAY OF RECONING IS NEAR.

      GOD SHALL INTERVENE FOR THE MASSES AS HE HAS ALWAYS DONE.

    10. Carl, Tennessee says:

      We must stop this bill. It only taxes and hurts families. I have phoned my congressman and told them to vote NO.

    11. Ron, Derry NH says:

      It is pretty obvious that under the current college system, "Agenda" driven eduction has been a priority, so much so that Rhetoric has replaced logic and arrogance has replaced concerns for liberty and the American peoples well being.

      Every problem we face economically has been set up by congresses favoritism laws that unleash certain groups to have an advantage over another and to glean profits for the government and its campaign financing.

      Excuse me for being so cynical, but I believe we have been dressed in the corset of socialism by higher educations promotion of it and at this point they are just lacing it up.

      Prepare yourselves for servitude to the agenda. It is an act of aggression for a government to "CHOOSE" to indebt its people to the will of an agenda being driven against its basic principles of survival and its constitutional intent.

      If it feels like you are under seige…well you are right. Every proposal from this administartion is aimed at increasing economic burden to the masses and to gain political power over the decission making of Americans.

      Pretty much the Karl Marx agenda on destroying freedom, liberty and it's roots in capatalism.

      You can't trust a Republican

      But you can trust a Democrat

      even less!

    12. Gordon McCauley, Gle says:

      It is obvious to me that ALL taxes are inherently regressive.

      Corporqations don't pay taxes because they adjust their prices to account for what they pass on to government.

      The rich don't pay taxes because they adjust their investments and income streams based on the tax rules in effect at the time.

      All taxes are paid through the purchase price of goods and services and are borne by everyone who spends any money in our economy.

    13. TopAssistant in Garn says:

      I will believe in global warming once they explain what happened to global cooling that was preached to us several years ago. If your congressional representative votes for this they must be either a socialist or communist, take your pick. THEY MUST BE VOTED OUT OF OFFICE.

    14. Harry, Illinois says:

      In quoting BO, "We must ensure that those on fixed incomes and the poor do not get penalized." I guess all of us will have to wait until tax time to get our 2 cents refunded.

      Note: The quote above may not exactly be word for word, but is pretty close from my recollection watching a program on TV a couple of days ago.

    15. Jason, Colorado says:

      Although I do not support Waxman-Markey, my gut also asks me to seek credible data on why nothing should be done. Could someone kindly direct this forum to place, on this site or another credible source, that suggests an alternative approach to changing these destructive systemic behaviors? "Because it will hurt", "Because we have more important things to do", and "Well they aren't doing it" are answers we will regret at some distant point in the future. My head is with this, but can someone please help my gut out?

    16. Jonathan Seid, Willi says:

      I am fatigued. The Main Character in Washington, DC is a socialist. His minions in Congress are socialists, too. Our leaders are letting us down.

      Remember Cap and Trade next election. Remember government bailing out General Motors and Chrysler next election. This man must be a one term

      President. I will take a nap now. I am tired.

    17. Lisa, Houston, Texas says:

      These politicians are trying to bankrupt the middle class citizens. It's starting to look like an underlying agenda in the midst. Taxing electricty, gas, etc. and wanting to tax our retirement pensions that we have worked hard for to give to illegals? OMG, these people are idiots!

    18. jim smith says:

      Just wait until Henry Waxman discovers that battery powered, nose hair trimmers use using electricity too. He and the other moron Markey write bills too punitive to pass and too long to read. This what America has become- a nation ceding power to idiots who will leave their collective lunches in their desks over the weekend. Come Monday, especially if it's tuna, the stench, like these two morons, will be unbearable.

    19. Jim Pratt. Old Hicko says:

      I sent the following email to my Congressman and I also called him twice.

      I oppose the cap-and-trade Carbon Tax H.R. 2454.

      This is an outrageous power grab by the federal government that will greatly

      Expand government control and increase energy costs for my family. The President Himself said would cause the cost of energy to rise’

      Congress must not pass this tax on the American people! I retired and am on a limited income and doubling the cost of energy would cause me and people in my situation some great hardships.

      This bill is not based on sound science and is not cost effective.

      There is so much controversy surrounding this vote and

      Pelosi's back-room, fast-track tactics that even CBS news is calling the vote a "gamble" for Pelosi. Please take a stand to stop this outrageous new tax.

      Remember this you were put into office by the people and supposed to represent the people and to be for the people. This bill is certainly not for the people.

      Please vote NO on H.R. 2454

    20. Andrew Schlessinger, says:

      What is completely left out of this debate is the foundational argument for the legislation, which states that global climate change is man-made, specifically from CO2 emissions. The Nongovernmental International Panel for Climate Change (NIPCC) took all the sources used by the Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change (IPCC), who's reports form the base arguments FOR man-made climate change, and came to the exact opposite conclusion. First, that global climate change is not man-made. Second, that global temperatures have not changed in the last 4 decades. Third, temperatures where 2-3 degrees higher in the Roman and Medieval Warming Periods than they are currently. Fourth, that the ice caps are not receding any faster than they did following the Ice Age or the Little Ice Age. And Fifth, that CO2 is not harmful to the climate. In fact, the overwhelming majority of the research that the IPCC used concludes that CO2 actually HELPS the environment by increasing water efficiency in plant growth, increasing food yeild per unit of measure, and increasing soil health. Higher CO2 content increases forestation, higher timberlines, and longer growing seasons.

      Its amazing that we voting on legislation that is based on faulty science. Not to mention the unnecessary economic and social effects this will have on our society if enacted.

    21. Seth, Connecticut says:

      I would bet that one undiscussed reason the Administration is so anxious to have this bill pass is that without somehow increasing the cost of using coal and petroleum for fuel or by direct government subsidy of alternatives, many of the alternative, so-called renewable sources could compete and would not be built. In other words without higher fuel prices made so by tax or otherwise no business could build wind, solar, etc. devices and make a profit; so they would not be built.

      The root cause of this bill really goes back to the question as to whether man is causing the world to heat up or not?

      The answer may just be NO; that we are in a natural, cyclical warming period (cause by sunspots or other maybe even unknown phenomena)such as has occurred before in long-term world environmental history that will reverse course before long all by itself. Because they are in the seat to be blamed if that supposition is incorrect, politicians cannot seem to grasp that possibility, and scientists have yet to prove it;

      so the former feel they need to try something, and they will choose the solution that gives them more ability to support their overspending and favorite pork projects under the guise of doing good for the environment.

      I feel that it is probable that the law of unintended consequences will wreak havoc upon us if this bill passes and turns into law.

      We should aggressively expand nuclear energy as France has done, spend money on researching a good way to get rid of nuclear residuals and drill on our own property where we have plenty of reserves.

      SCW

    22. Joe White, Quinton T says:

      What is it about the 535 member den of thieves that they cannot understand the simple economics and simple energy concepts of what they are trying to do to us and future generations?

      As for these silly, childish notions of wind energy, photovoltaics, and the like- Please have a sophomore college chemistry student explain to their apparently limited intellects simple thermodynamics. Based upon Arhennius's Energy of Activation principle- these whimsical flights of fantasy of the above are not feasible as it will take as much or more energy to produce these things as they'll ever generate. THOSE ARE the facts, folks!

      Then there is the waste that these new procedures will produce, that also requires energy; therefore, just based upon that no net benefit will accrue to the nation with the exception of those firms in on the deception of "getting something for nothing"…as was touted in the Empty Suit's advertising campaign…running for Office.

    23. John, California says:

      We need to do some investigation into the special interests that are behind Waxman- Markey and the windfall profits they stand to gain as a result of inacting cap & trade. I would expect that Al Gore's pockets would be filled in some way, shape or form after passage of this bill!

    24. Stan, Phoenix says:

      They don't even know the how much revenue that this will put in their pockets.

      It's time we stopped talking about what they are doing to us and devise a plan as to what we are going to do about them.

    25. NYstatehome says:

      And they said Bush lied. There is an AGENDA coming to light. I think if they throw a bunch of things at us all at the same time then one of his agenda pieces may get past the public. I've already sent letters, email and faxes to my representative and I hope you are doing the same.l

    26. Wallyblu, Zion, IL says:

      Cap and Trade is based on an incorrect premiss, that Global Warming is actually happening and that if it is that that is bad.

      I have two questions for those in favor of Cap and Trade and believe in Global Warming. Just what is the ideal climate temperature (how many degrees warmer or cloder)? Second, what is the ideal percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere (what percentage higher or lower)?

      When they can answer these two questions then maybe we can start to decide what to do about them, if there is anything we can do.

    27. Harry, Illinois says:

      Just remember 2010 citizens. Lets start imposing voter mandated term limits for anyone that has served more than 2 terms. That means, Barney, Nancy, Harry, Teddy and a few other long term fat cats get the boot. Yes, we may lose some good people, but hey when we do our laundry, the less soiled clothes get washed along with the dirty laundry as well. If we want to clean up our nations political system, than we must start taking action to ensure that we get fair, just and honest representation for the people.

      Quite a few of these guys forgot why they were elected.

      Maybe I'm a Polyanna, but if you want to get an idea of what our nation should be about, I encourage everyone to buy/rent the DVD Mr. Smith Goes to Washington starring Jimmy Stewart. I would recommend that all of our representatives in Washington watch this movie. Maybe then they might realize why there were elected in the first place.

    28. Richard, Spring TX says:

      Not only will I vote against any Congressman who votes for this bill but I will actively campaign against them. When the rest of the world is running away from green laws, why is the United States running toward them? There has to be something in it for those Congressmen, either money or power, who are in favor of cap-and-trade.

    29. joe, MA says:

      I have flooded the stupid lines all day especially Markey whos in my district. I e-mailed him Rep. Kaufman even Sen. Kerry through the CPR site. Who wants to make Chavez richer I certainly don't. I want all of congress to lose their high pay and special health benefits they do not know what the average American goes through everyday. Totally Disgusting. Help me get Markey and Frank out my state ain't even a balanced state its one party!

    30. Beverly says:

      Every day I watch barges filled with coal being delivered to the power plant up the river from us. I hate to think what is going to happen when they want "clean coal".

    31. Bob, Quebec says:

      Wow! Are you folks dillusional.

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    34. Gary, TX ...notforlo says:

      Just a pure unadulterated power grab. Pelosi et al, won't stop until they have legislated the common man off the street and back to the farm. We're only in the way clogging up the highways & skyways. They have the power to take everything we've worked so hard for unless we find the courage to stand up as one and put a stop to this willful distruction of our country as we know it, the one our fathers built and defended before us.

    35. Gary, TX ...notforlo says:

      85% of the potential revenue will is pre-allocated to special interest. If this piece of shlt legislaton passes you'll know why. Money & Power – Power & Money. None for you though.

      http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/08/waxman-markey-bi

    36. NYstatehome says:

      Jason,

      I think the whole point is they don’t want anyone reading the document. I belong to an organization OpenCongress.org. You can do a search on their website and articles appear through the internet appear. Here’s their link. http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h2454/news

      The information contend in Gore’s film has been disputed by Scientist the world over. Even European scientists say the method to his science is very flawed. The thing that gets me is that our Country seems to be the only one to prescribe to his theory. This Bill is about gaining more power over the public and to tax the compost out of us. Which is what this Bill will do? If we want to save the plant then every Country needs to take part and most want nothing to do with it.

      Here are some articles that I found. http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZmE1YWE2MmYzhttp://californiafarmer.com/story.aspx?s=24476&am
      I hope they help in you goal to gather more information. Stay away from government websites cause all that is there is propaganda. The issue in gathering information regarding this Bill is very limited in it’s scope not all aspects are know, which should automatically be questioned. Nancy Pelosi, to get a Bill passed in 2007 made the choice to withhold information regarding the Law of the Sea’s Treaty, she also took the vote outside the presents of C-SPAN and there is no record on how the House voted. That Bill has yet to come up in the Senate just yet. So we need to be diligent in learning the most from the 111th Congress and what they are doing. This Bill once again is well over 1,000 pages and no one in Congress has the time to read it. I say if you cannot make these Bills fewer than 100 pages then do not vote yea. This is a trick at the last moments to add something they know the public won’t like. If our representative question parts or aspects of a certain part within the Bill and claim when that part get put in there. Nancy can say it was in there and you choice not to read it.

    37. Thomas, Anchorage, A says:

      Jason, I understand where you are coming from and have some ideas. Heritage is not suggesting we do nothing. For starters, our nuclear power infrastructure needs to be expanded significantly. It's carbon free and it's absolutely necessary to sustain the power demand when wind and solar can't keep up, which is the majority of the time.

      Wind and solar can't be subsidized, either, as the return on investment is negative. The market must make them competitive, not tax dollars.

      Carbon capture and sequestration falls under this same condition. Waxman-Markey wants to plunge heaps of money at CCS at a time when it remains technologically unrealized and economically unmarketable.

      Our vast domestic natural gas supplies need to be fully utilized for their supply of low-CO2 energy. This is one of our immediate solutions to foreign petroleum.

      Ultimately, any alternative energy source or process must be market tested.

    38. Bill, Camano Island, says:

      I called the Washington office of my Representative Rick Larsen(D), (202)225-2605, this morning requesting that he vote against the Waxman-Markey Bill (HR 2454). I was respectful and clear about the dangers of this disastrous tax scheme. As expected, Mr. Larsen intends to vote for the measure.

      It is almost certain that Senators Patty Murray (D) and Maria Cantwell (D) will blindly follow suit in the senate.

      In the end, I could only express my intent to do everything possible to see that he and other like him are voted out of office. I hope folks in this area will do the same.

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    41. Dave Black, Californ says:

      I've heard a lot of reports regarding the Waxman-Markey Energy Bill lately, and the only reporting I've heard of, regarding the additional hit on actual consumer costs, is from the Heritage Foundation.

      As a nation, we are trying to recover from a recession. Meanwhile, we have an administration pushing for unprecedented Government spending, disguised as a "Stimulus Bill", that threatens to send us into an economical tailspin, possibly even into a full blown depression.

      Now, Representatives Waxman and Markey offer up a "Tax and Spend" policy, disguised as an "Energy Bill". I call it a "Tax and Spend" policy because the money, generated from this program, will find its way into the "General Fund", thus making it all but impossible to account for. Do not be fooled by the political rhetoric, claiming the money is to pay for "Healthcare Reform".

      The Heritage Foundation points out that the bill will have negative effects on the consumers, yet they have only partially identified the costs. I make this claim based on the potential numbers offered as an "estimated household cost" to consumers.

      We must remain mindful that this "Energy Bill" taxes energy companies, which everybody is hammering on with their coverage. Also, the Government will tax those companies considered as "excessive energy consumers". Excessive energy consuming companies would include trucking companies. You know, those semi's that bring the goods we all consume. Let's face it, there is nothing that you use, or probably own, that was not delivered by a truck. Trucks burn diesel to operate, and therefore are subject to the taxation under the Waxman-Markey Energy Bill, or will be in short order. After all, Democrats cannot pass on any opportunity of taxation.

      If you think the additional taxes on the energy you use at home, or in at work, is going to have a negative impact on the economy, wait until they apply this tax to each gallon of diesel or gasoline. All these additional costs are transferred to the consumer. Only the additional cost are seldom identified.

      America, we're being had. We're being bamboozled, shammed, ripped off, having the wool pulled over our eyes. And just in case I'm not communicating clearly, we're being lied to, again.

      This is just another way for the Government to reach deeper into our pockets under the disguise of good intentions. This is just another way for the Government to use legislation to dictate our way of life; a way to increase our taxes and blame "evil corporations".

      This is just another attempt for the "Global Warming Ecologist" to use their false science, to score a crushing economical blow to our industrialization.

      If the ecologists want us to buy into the false "Global Warming", or "Greenhouse Effect" argument, then treat it like a real science and prove it. There is no room, or justification for a consensus in the realm of scientific studies. That is a fundamental rule of science. Create a hypothesis, then prove or disprove the theory. However, you never act on the hypothesis.

      In the words of President Obama, "They must think you're stupid!"

    42. Lynn B. DeSpain says:

      One thing is for sure, they have enough fertilizer in DC to grow food anywhere in the World now! What I find hardest to understand is that they actually believe in what they say and do! It is beyond any concept that I can grasp. I do believe in what Judge Judy says, "If it doesn't make sense, than it is is not true!"

      Hozro

    43. Kay Medlar-571 Antie says:

      I am so tired of hearing these asinine ideas. Why not try

    44. Kay Medlar-571 Antie says:

      Please give us all a break!

    45. Thomas, Anchorage, A says:

      Kay, which asinine ideas? Nuclear power? Natural gas?

      Why not try what, controlling the weather of a several billion year-old planet based on less than a couple centuries of science?

    46. libertybel, Rye, NY says:

      The Taxman-Malarkey proposal is of a piece with all the other Obominations we are suffering. The worst aspect of all this is what it says about the American public, which seems to accept, and sometimes applaud, these attacks on our economy, our security, and our freedom. What have we become?

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    48. Bob R Geologist, Tuc says:

      The most galling thing about this supposed climate protection bill is that the scientific proof that carbon dioxide (CO2), is neither a pollutant nor a cause of Global Warming, was published in a climate review paper of 132 climate research papers in the Journal of Physicians and Surgeons in 2007, by Chemists Drs. A. B.and N. E. Robinson and Astrophysicist Willie Soon of Harvard U. I believe the relatively few scientists still on the AGW bandwagon do not dare to confront this negative research or risk losing their research grants. Meanwhile our Pols, Greens and and investors plan to cash in on this massive investment in unneeded Green energy at this time, at your and my expense and the biggest scam in the history of our country destroys our economy.

    49. Spiritof76 says:

      I send e-mails from the president on down to my Congressman protesting what is being done to our country. This another 1200+ page bill that the people voting on it do not know what it contains. Recall, Waxman the sponsor of the bill hired a speed reader to read the bill. The arrogance of these people rivals what our Founders complained about the King of England.

      I told my Congressmen (actually th voice that answered the call) that if he voted for this bill, I will be willing to eat to dog food just so I can contribute my money saved and my energy to defeat him in the upcoming election.

      The stuff that is going on in Washington is what revolutions are made of.

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    52. Nelia, AZ says:

      Well it passed, and it has nothing to do with global warming. It is strictly another way to rip off the tax payer ~ money going to a number of undeserving, sidebar companies, such as AIG, GE and even Al Gore himself with all his ducks in a row to reap the benefits.

    53. Judith of The Great says:

      I AN ANGRY!!!

      Breaking news about an hour ago (about 7pm) House narrowly passes this criminal energy bill of 1500 pages including a 300 page amendment that was added at 3 AM THIS MORNING! Guess it doesn't matter what the citizens want, does it?

      Am waiting to get list of all Republicans who voted "yes", and then I will let them know that I will do whatever I can to help get them thrown out of office next election.

      Now we need to really come down on the Senate to prevent it from passing there.

      I just e-mailed ms. pelosi's office and thanked her for destroying our country.

      Everyone who wants to save The United States of America must do the same thing.

    54. Helmetfoot Boston, says:

      Our Constitution requires one third of our Senators face re=election every 2 years. Those Senators who are facing re-election after 4 years of making stupid laws should be required to spend their last two years going through our laws and recommending repeal of laws that don't work, cost too much and are waste of time and energy.

      We should vote for the Senator who gets the most laws repealed. Now that is an accomplishment.

      Jus think of how thin our law bookds would be.

      I am a firm believer of "Do nothing" Congress. Getting rid of laws is something that they could handle and it may give the voters something to encourage our legislators to do.

    55. Frank Ansonia C says:

      AL GORE HAS GOT HIS BIB ON , HE IS GOING TO MAKE MILLIONS OFF THIS CRAZY BILL!!!!!!!

    56. Whicket Williams Kin says:

      We are doomed You refused to vote them out, now the USA is finished. Kiss it goodby. you will all starve now.

    57. Judith of The Great says:

      The 8 Republicans who voted for the cap and tax bill:

      1: Bono Mack (Ca)

      2: Mike Castle (De)

      3: Kirk (Ill)

      4: Lance (NJ)

      5: Lobiondo (NJ)

      6: McHugh (NY)

      7: Reichart WA)

      8: Chris Smith (NJ)

      If 4 of these Republicans had voted against this criminal energy bill, it would not have passed.

      They have turned their backs on the freedoms and the Constitution of The United States of America. It is time they are kicked out of Congress.

    58. Whicket Williams Kin says:

      How is it supposed to help with china india and everybody else producing everything without worrying about how much they pollute? They will have all the jobs, and we will be starving freezing and burning. Gotta make B.O. park the jet and walk. No more kobe beef and jets and limo's. Make the elites suffer also.

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    60. Dan Diana, Westbrook says:

      We all know what the libs are trying to do to change this country to socialism. Why don't we take a different stance and say, ok libs, the people have spoken and elected you, so go ahead, do your thing but we oppose you and will point out the wrongs of your ways. We should vote present. Then when the country falls apart as it surely will, the dems will be voted out, if the people are allowed to vote in 18 months. Some people need to suffer in order to wake up. My only fear however, is that once some of the policies are in, like a government medical plan, it will be hard to change it.

    61. Brittany, Illinois says:

      Here's the thing. In order to make the world sustainable for our own living, we need to curb the amount of carbon that is being put into the air. In order to do that, we must look at our dependence on fossil fuels. We keep putting a band-aid on the problem and now we need a real solution.

      The Kyoto Protocol had 178 countries signed on to make the world safer for us to live in, and yet the United States was not one of them. The United States is 5% of the world's population and contributes approximately 25% of carbon emmissions. We can do something now, or pay the price later. It is the only planet we have, and the Earth will continue to go on even if we don't remain on it. We need to make the government, corporations, and the everyday people accountable for what they're doing to the Earth. It is OUR home. If we don't do anything about it, who will?

      I would like to see the numbers crunched and the citations for this article if at all possible. If anyone would like to check my facts, I urge you to. Knowledge is power.

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    63. Stephanie Shaffer, L says:

      It certainly is true that history repeats itself. Here we have the rich taxing the life out of the poor. Sounds like the whole reason why this country fought so hard to break its ties with England – yet we're doing the very thing we stood in resistance to over 200 hundred years ago. It's been the working class people that have made this country what it is and the thanks we get is the greed of the rich asking for and expecting more. America, it time to truly look at who we're voting into office. It's time to stand up and say "NO MORE".

    64. Whicket Williams Kin says:

      We must repeal everything the commies have done if we are to survive without being worse off than india.

    65. terra says:

      When you read The Heritage Research that finds the Waxman/Markey (cap and Trade) reduces the gross domestic product by an average of $393 billion annually between 2012 and 2035 You ask yourself is the Congress and President out of their minds? Maybe they don't know we are in a recession! It is time every American reminds them and lets them know we are outraged at their incompetents and Voting on unread bills is unacceptable.

      Washington is out of touch and the cronies of businessmen and politicians lining each others pockets is destroying our economy. It is time we VOTE them all out come 2010-2012. I can think of only a handfull that actually abide by our Constitution. The people need to start a campaign to VOTE THEM ALL OUT NOW..THEY ARE DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY.

    66. Robin Flack- Harmons says:

      If the Government is so interested in running our lives, let's all quit driving to our jobs and go on welfare.

    67. Dennis Social Circle says:

      This bill as it passed in the house will lead to the downfall of the middle class in this country. The middle class will end up footing the bill on this BS that pelosi and her cronies want.The dems will say they created jobs because of it, they will be right, federal jobs, so that the "poor' WILL GET THEIR HANDOUTS FOR THE EXCESSIVE ENERGY COSTS. hOW MANY MORE ARE ADDED TO THE ROLES OF "GUVERNMENT' just to process the papper work???? You know they will all belong to the "union" so that obama can fill his promise to the unions for more suckers to pay to work. We are the real suckers because he was elected by the liberal media and we sucked it all up as "gospel". I did not vote for a dem and will never again. They are tearing this country down and the conservatives and the republicans are letting them do it. Wake people and let your voice be heard about this liberal mess.

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    70. JMS, Houston TX says:

      I wonder how many of you "conservatives" supported the Iraq war or GWB's expansion of the federal government under the auspices of protecting national security. Your concern is warranted but it's unfortunate that so few of you were spoke out against about deficit spending when Bush/Cheney were promising to spread democracy in the Middle East. Sure wish we could have all of that money back.

    71. sherrill , NY/ NJ says:

      joe from MA should move to Texas and JMS from Houston should move to MA or JMS should move to CA so he could be with all the "liberals" who sing one note and sing it badly. GWB will be exonerated by history if we have a country for historians to write about.

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    73. John E. Bentley says:

      It is my opinion that our government and other world enties have attacked this climate change matter and used it for their advantage. My question is why are we not requiring the most brilliant people living on our planet to hold a world court and resolve this matter before we all are thrown under the bus. Billions of dollars are at stake here and most of it will end up in the coffers of those only interested in their best interest.

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    75. Thomas Grant says:

      This bill, if passed, will be viewed as the largest redistribution of wealth in history. How can we support a bill that is not scientifically based and only benefits a small group? The disadvantages of this bill outweigh any positive consequences that might result from its passing. How does one explain to hundreds of thousands of coal miners when they lose their job that "this had to be done?" Everyone has a voice and your opinion does matter. Please let your Senators know how you feel at http://tinyurl.com/klfut8.

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