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  • Legalization Won’t Save Social Security

    Kiplinger has a post up today discussing the most recent attempt to paint an amnesty as an economic stimulus. This time the focus is on Social Security. Mark Willen argues that somehow this almost broke system would be saved if only we would bring the 11 million illegal immigrants here in the U.S. “out of the shadows” and make them legal. But this is not the right approach and would instead bankrupt the United States, leaving the Social Security system in a far worse condition.

    It’s not that immigrants do not contribute to the economy, they certainly do. The problem is that there has been a flood of low-skilled, low-educated migrants, most of whom have come to the country illegally, and many of whom bring with them similarly educated and skilled family members. These migrants use public services, health care facilities, and schools and pay few taxes that support these public sector activities—at a very heavy price tag (Heritage estimates around $30,160 per household). Even if legalization were able to add additional funds to the Social Security system, the country would still go broke providing services to the 11 million illegal immigrants here in the U.S.

    There are better ways to fix both the Social Security and illegal immigration problems. In terms of immigration, this approach would include safeguarding the southern border, promoting economic development and good governance in Latin America, enhancing legal worker programs, reforming U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, and enforcing immigration and workplace laws. For a better way to fix Social Security, check out Heritage expert David John’s Backgrounder appropriately titled, How to Fix Social Security.

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    23 Responses to Legalization Won’t Save Social Security

    1. Pingback: » Financial News Update - 05/18/09 NoisyRoom.net: “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the face of tyranny is no virtue.” Barry Goldwater

    2. oscar says:

      of course The non-credible heritage Foundation opposes any form of immigration reform..what can you expect with KKK founders of The Heritage Foundation

    3. rose2009 says:

      Absolutely right. The illegals use public services but don't contribute , pay taxes. They should be sent home. In other European countries like Germany, they simply send the illegals home and problem solved, as simple as that. I don't know why I don't do it here. So frustrated with our government. Illegals are law breakers. They should not be rewared for that action.

    4. Andrews, Los Angeles says:

      The straw man "The Hispanic Voter" is being used by

      the Open Borders Crowd as false leverage to promote

      Mexico's Agenda to create a Spanish speaking Illegal

      Mexican Nation,loyal to Mexico First within the borders

      of the USA!

      We do not need REFORM…just enforce the Laws on the books!

      numbersusa

      capsweb

    5. Zak, Utah says:

      Can we just get rid of Social Security so that our children and grandchildren do not bear the burden for a broken system? I am willing to not collect social security so that the next generation can be free of this huge burden.

    6. frank burns says:

      The xenophopia now directed against illegal immigrants is disturbing. When our economy needed them, we gave them de facto status here, amounting to a hand-shake agreement. They were welcome, and felt that, and made their home here, in many cases for decades. It is not their fault that instead of the cursory inspection at Ellis Island and the perfunctorily issue of papers, as this land had done for waves of immigration in the past, they were kept in a grey area.

      Now, many people seem intent on collectively reneging on this arrangement, when it no longer suits us, breaking up and uprooting families — who cares, they say, since they are "illegal." It amounts to a lowdown, very uncivilised, immoral trick. These xenophobes are mean-spirited renegers, and when I hear them talking I take care, as I will never trust any of them again.

    7. Deece says:

      frank burns…."WE" did not give them de facto status or a hand-shake agreement. That was given and perpetuated by corrupt business owners and politicians. WE, the taxpayers should not continue to be forced to fund public services for illegal aliens who also share the blame for this out of control issue.

    8. Allaye Cincinnati, O says:

      America is a nation of immigration for those who know the history of the country. Immigrants have contributed and contribute to the economic, social and cultural development of the country. If America does not torture, it torture emotionally by breaking down families.

    9. Patsy, Mississippi says:

      I agree with Frank Burns. I am frustrated with the hatred send to illegal immigrants, Aka, undocumented. Some illegals are the onves who overstayed and are from countries where we don't have borders with. They are white, yellow, red, pink and blue, but all of u are sending hate towards the poor, who traveled through dangerous climate to enter this country illegally. Who suffers, we all do. The illegals are not taking your top notch $30,000 a year job. They are working for $4 an hr to mop floors, bring food to your table, slaughter pigs, and pick fruit during the rain. What is your problem? You are warm in bed, sleeping like a baby, when these poor immigrants get up at 3 am to work for $4 / hr to slaughter pigs, so you can eat hot dogs. I feel sorry for the kids who attend or attended public school and cant get ahead because they are not allowed to go to college, join military or work. Then there are those who do work, legal SSN, but e-verify has kicked in. This country is slowly changing its democratic ways. There are millions of illegals who have been here 20+ years, but the laws don't allow them to become legal the right way. There has to be a break somewhere if they can speak fluent English, pay taxes and have no criminal record.

      Like I said, some of you do not know what you are talking about. You are the one who is uneducated and filled with hate. History is repeating itself. I c Nazi Germany rising from the American Soil.

    10. Barb Auburn, WA says:

      I just wanted to say that there are at least 28 to 30 million illegal aliens living in the US not the tiny 11 million that keeps popping up. That number has not changed in several years.

      There would not be anything wrong with social security if the government would stop dipping into it anytime it needed a little spending money. And as far as breaking up families these kids born here to illegal alien mothers happens to be legal Mexican citizens. All the parents have to do when leaving the US is stop at any Mexican consulate and fill out a simple form and show the kids US birth certificates. So all of the sob stories about the kiddies left behind is nothing but propagandizing by the open borders crowd.

    11. NOAMNESTY says:

      NO, legalization won't save social security!!! Illegals have been draining our system for years INCLUDING OBAMA'S illegal aunt.

      TRUE STORY HERE: I KNOW A SOMALIAN REFUGEE WHO HAS SIX, YES, SIX KIDS UNDER THE AGE OF 6 YEARS OLD. ONE AFTER THE OTHER AND THEIR LIVING OFF THE COUNTY!!!

      Their should be laws against this. THIS IS A TRUE STORY PEOPLE. What a fine example of parents. These people have only paid into the system for FIVE YEARS!!!! Now they are draining it for as much as they can get. Seriously, HERITAGE FOUNDATION DO SOME MORE RESEARCH. Every think you guys have printed on this subject I live it on a daily basis. Your facts are CORRECT.

      YOU ARE CORRECT HERITAGE FOUNDATION. All you have to do is go stand in the food stamp line or any other public service and bingo.

    12. Buzzm1 SF Bay Area says:

      are there any Ohio Pro-E-Verify groups..thanks

      http://bit.ly/cFmV9

    13. herby1966 says:

      Your trust Frank is not something I want, when you can infer that there was some kind of handshake between 'WE THE PEOPLE" and these law breakers and (yes) Terrorists. The only agreement we have is written in laws, which we must enforce as written or amend using the Constitutional rules for said action. If we do not then "WE THE PEOPLE" loss all that our Forefather fought and died for. Please keep your trust to yourself, we don't need it. Semper Fi.

    14. Anon, Appalachia says:

      Frank Burns — I don't know who you think gave them "de facto" anything. I have been against illegal alien work thieves for years. I have never hired one and therefore never "needed" their labor.

      Who do you think did these jobs before illegal alien work thieves showed up to depress the wages? American did these jobs, all of them. It's stupid to think that no toilets were ever washed, roofs fixed, tables bussed, buildings constructed, fruit picked, etc., until the noble illegal alien arrived within our borders.

      Oscar — No matter what you think of the Heritage Foundation you must see that most Americans are sick of illegal alien work thieves living within our borders and accessing public services via anchor broods. The only people keeping this situation from resolution are big biz and the gov't officials in their pocket.

    15. Iris Lynch says:

      Kiplinger's argument to save Social Security with illegal alien labor is horse-puckey. IF WE NEVER HAD ILLEGAL ALIENS TAKING JOBS, construction jobs would be paying 20 an hour (as would many other jobs now undercut by cheap labor). Now listen little boys and girls, taking a tax of 5% to pay for Social Security (I do not know the exact figure) , but taking 5% from $6.00 bucks an hour = .30cents an hour. BUT taking 5% from 20.00 an hour = ONE DOLLAR AN HOUR. Therefore, you would need 3 plus illegals working to pay the same amount one American would pay to Social Security and the American would not be on the dole because he could LIVE on $20 an hour.

      Now you know why the Democrats avoid the facts or maybe they skipped adding and subtracting in the 6th grade??? Or are they just liars?

    16. Monsi Queens New Yor says:

      Yah we are illegal immigrants, aliens, cockroaches, parasites etc. that this American people called. We are the poor people who work dirty and sweating job that you can imagine. We cook your food, clean your toilet, plant the food in your table, we took care of your children,pick your doggies poop, serve your food though we are underpaid.

      We are the people you abused as workers, treating us like a dog and think we are stupid and uneducated. But look, we are also the consumers who buy products that keep the economy US afloat. We also rent apartments, without us you wont able go to your $40/month job. You rich american people will not function with out us.

      If only we have a choices, we will not leave our country. Who wants to suffer the trauma of leaving the family? Who wants to be a victim of racism and prejudism? Who wants to be abuse at work? The culture shock from this xenophobic?

      You selfish American people. This country in not even your ancestors. Your ancestors who killed american Indians who are the real owner of this country. Do not kill our dignity!

    17. Texan By Birth says:

      Perhaps a little late in joining the discussion, but…IF you would read the 14the Amendment, simply being born in the US does NOT automatically make you a citizen. The 14th Amendment requires your parents to be "subject to the jurisdiction" if the United States…If you are here illegally, you are still subject to the jurisdiction (laws) of your own country. Now go home and take your chldren with you.

    18. Whicket Williams Kin says:

      The D. O. J. and Homeland Security are attacking America's best Sheriff for enforcing the Law. He has done nothing wrong. We should watch this closely, as if they can stifle him, the rule of law is finished. NEVER RE_ELECT any Incumbent, regardless of party. If He/She is holding office, that person it to blame, no matter how loudly they protest,"it is the other guy"

    19. Robert Tucker says:

      I'm sick and tired of hearing about how social security is broke. If Obama can spend trillions on whatever stupid programs he decides to propose when he gets up in the morning;printing money like it is growing on trees without any acountability; how can I believe that social security is going broke? Just print more money and it will be enough to support 20 million illegal imigrants. Obviously, money is not a problem for Obama and a congress that passes anything that is proposed, without any thought or research. We own car manufacturers, banks and who knows what; obviously, money is not a problem for this bunch. Print enough money to make the social security system solvent and Obama and Congress can move to something else to destroy. Now is the time for a third party in this country. It is imperative that we clean out the existing congress and elect some folks that have enough love and concern for this country to fight back and uphold the constitution. It is time for every American to get involved in the election process and vote the existing congress out of office. We must have term limits for these people. They stay so long that they lose track of reality. Most of the members of the House and Senate don't have a clue about what is best for this country. I'm 66 years old and I never thought I would see the citizens of this great country stand by and let the minority elect Obama! He only received 52% of the vote and the Republicans think the world had ended and all is lost. It is time for every citizen to get involved and make the necessary changes to Put the Fire In the Belly of every person and get the ball rolling again. Many of us have served in the military and so many lost their lives fighting for our freedom. We can't throw it all away now!! Come on America, Get involved again and make a difference. Please!!!!!!

    20. Carol in az says:

      A brief History lesson on Immigration policy of the U.S.A.

      In the LATE 1800's through-out the early 1900's we had what was historically called and ,OPEN DOOR IMMIGRATION POLICY IN AMERICA.

      The primary reason for this.

      1, TO HAVE A CHEAP LABOR FORCE,IN THE THOUSANDS TO BUILD AMERICA.

      2. TO STEADiY BUILD OUR INFRA-STRUCTURE WHICH CLEARLY WAS NOT GOING TO BE accomplised BY OUR MEAGER POPULATION at that time.

      3. TO SUPPLY MANUFACTURING AND THE BEGINNINGS OF MASS PRODUCTION THAT WAS TAKING SHAPE AT THAT TIME. (YOU CAN FIGURE OUT THE REST)

      This was a very conscious decison made by the leadership of our country which went on for about five decades.

      THAT WAS A MUCH DIFFERENT AMERICA.

      WE EXPERIENCED HUGE GROWTH RESULTING FROM THE 10 OF THOUSANDS THAT CAME, BUILT, INVENTED, OPENED SMALL BUSS. LEARNED THE LANG. EDUCATED THEIR FAMILIES AND ASSIMULATED HERE.

      MANY ALSO KEPT A CERTAIN PRIDE FROM THE CULTURES THEY CAME FROM.

      WE ARE ALL PART OF THAT CHAPTER IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

      THE BOTTOM LINE FOR AMERICA NOW IS THE NATIONAL SECURITY CRISES THAT ALLOWS ANYONE TO COME HERE ILLEGALLY, ENTER OUR NUMEROUS BORDER AREAS THAT COMPRISE THOUSANDS OF MILES OF OPPORTUNITY'S AND FLEECE THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE SET-UP FOR THE TAKING ,IN ALL WAYS.

      OUR BORDERS ARE NOT SECURE AND THAT SHOULD BE EVERY AMERICAN'S PRIMARY COCERN AND PARAMOUNT CONCERN COMING FROM D.C.

      SADLY IT NOT

      WHEN STATES BEG FOR, SUPPORT TROOPS ON THEIR BORDERS, WHEN OVER 11,000 MX HAVE BEEN HORRIFICALLY MURDERED ALONG THE S.W. BORDER STATES, AS THE DRUG CARTELS FIGHT FOR CHOKE POINT CONTROLS, THIS TRANSLATES INTO A NATIONAL SECURITY PROBLEM ,NOT A PROBLEM OF XRENOPHOBIA. (THE FEAR OF FOREIGNERS).

      WHEN D.C. NEGATES ANY DECISON TO REACT TO THESE REQUESTS, SITS ON IT'S LAME DUCK BUTT TO NOT ENFORCE ALL FEDERAL LAWS , REGARDING THIS ISSUE ALL CHOICES HAVE BEEN CLEARLY DUMPED ON EACH STATE FOR PROBLEM SOLVING.

      THAT IS CLEARLY THE MESSAGE. YOUR MESS YOU DECIDE.

      ONE OTHER STAT I WILL SHARE WITH YOU THAT I AM ALSO VERY CLEAR ABOUT.

      OF THE THOUSNADS OF ILLEGLS CROSSING THE AZ BORDER LAST YEAR THAT WERE INTERDICTED, THESE MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN REPRESENTED 128 DIFFERENT NATIONALITIES.

      DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A SECURITY PROBLEM TO YOU ?

      YOU DECIDE , IT'S AFTER ALL YOUR COUNTY TOO.

    21. james modesto ca says:

      Various govt agencys (state and local also)can opt out of s.s. then wehen their retirement comes around they go get a job in private business for 10 quarters and are then allowed to collect s.s. I have been forced to pay into s.s. for my 52 work years and am still working if the govt decides to reform s.s. i want a refund with interest

    22. Mike Denver says:

      Illegals do the work that Americans would rather not do,sweep floors,wait tables,pick fruit etc.how can a person that can't speak/understand english, ask some one what they would like for dinner?no english? a statement one hears way to much now in the U.S.,illegals work for minimum wage "some" are paid under the table,i.e. no taxes, just cash.have you ever seen some of the finished jobs they have done? certainly not up to standards.Will soon have free health care I hear.

    23. stephen h. nash /sav says:

      the problem with social security is congress and the senate have stolen billions from social security and no one will do anything about it.

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