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  • The Left's New Immigration Talking Points

    The left has learned a lot from their past immigration losses. Responding to Sen. Chuck Schumer’s (D-NY) immigration hearing last week, New Democratic Networks’ Simon Rosenberg unveils the left’s new talking points on the issue and they are amazing. We’ve responded to them below:

    1) Illegal Immigration and Labor Supply – Rosenberg writes:

    Legalizing the five percent of the work force that is undocumented would create a higher wage and benefit floor than exists today for all workers … what you hear from some of the opponents of immigration reform is that by passing reform, all of these immigrants will come and take the jobs away of everyday Americans. But again, the undocumented immigrants are already here, working, having kids, supporting local businesses. Legalization does not create a flood of new immigrants.

    Legalization absolutely would create a flood of new immigrants. The 1986 immigration reform granted amnesty to 2.7 million illegal aliens and sent the message that we are not serious about enforcing our immigration laws. By 2006 the number of illegal immigrants in this country had risen to 20 million.

    2) Illegal Immigration and Federal Deficits – Rosenberg writes:

    Putting the undocumented population on the road to citizenship will also increase tax revenue in a time of economic crisis, as the newly legal immigrants will pay fees and fines, and become fully integrated into the U.S. tax-paying system.

    This assumes that these individuals will not take anymore social services than they do as illegals. But with an unemployment rate of 8.5% it is difficult to assume that people that are largely high-school dropouts would be able to get jobs with millions of Americans looking for work. In reality, they are more likely to be on unemployment. Furthermore, statistics that are used to show they would bring more money fail to recognize the cost of providing entitlements like Social Security and Medicare to 11 million more people—already broken systems. Overall, amnesty will cost taxpayers at least $2.6 trillion.

    3) Illegal Immigration and Border Violence – Rosenberg writes:

    Tackling the growing influence of the drug cartels in Mexico is going to be hard, cost a great deal of money, and take a long time. One quick and early step toward calming the region will be to take decisive action on clearing up one piece of the problem — the vast illegal trade in undocumented migrants.

    We do need to reform our immigration system. But not through an amnesty which is what most of the left calls “comprehensive immigration reform.” We need to 1) secure the border and enforce workplace laws (2) support economic development and governance reforms in Latin America (3) reform USCIS (4) strengthen citizenship and (5) improve legal worker programs.

    4) U.S.-Latin American relations – Rosenberg writes:

    Just as offering a new policy toward Cuba is part of establishing that it is truly a “new day” in hemispheric relations, ending the shameful treatment of Latin migrants here in the United States will go a long way in signaling that America is taking its relations with its southern neighbors much more seriously than in the past.

    A fundamentally dishonest immigration policy that claims to legalize only those illegal aliens now here is no way to start a “new day” with Latin America. Building a real US-Latin America Partnership takes patience and time.

    5) A Clean Census – Rosenberg writes:

    Passing immigration reform this year would go a long way to ensuring we have a clean and effective census count next year.

    The census does need to be cleaned up. But cleaning up the census isn’t an excuse for amnesty.

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    13 Responses to The Left's New Immigration Talking Points

    1. Ledeen, Long Beach C says:

      This is ridiculous. WE NEED TO ENFORCE OUR CURRENT IMMIGRATION LAWS, PERIOD. Just look at California to see what happens when you allow millions of people to come and use our state and federal resources. Our state and local governments have done everything to invite illegal aliens here, giving them sanctuary.

      Now after more than a decade of this behavior by our local officials, over 10% of Los Angeles is on welfare. Over 50% of Los Angeles people don't have a high school diploma and cannot read or write English.

      First and SECOND Generation Mexicans (that is where most of our illegal alien population is from I am not being racists)continue to have over 50% drop our rates from high school and end up in poverty.

      The bad area's of Los Angeles have gotten worse.The good area's are declining.

      More and more US Citizens are leaving due to over crowding and high taxes. And even though we have the highest tax rates in the nation. They just enacted the largest tax increase in our history, and still cannot balance a budget.

      I hate it here but cannot move because my house is worse less than my mortgage. I am being held hostage by a state I cannot stand to be in.

      Businesses have fled, due to the high taxes and poor worker pool to draw from.

      So if you want to see what will happen to the rest of country should they move forward with legalizing the illegals , instead of being adults about this and enforcing the laws of our country and our sovereignty, just look to Southern CA as what will happen to the rest of the country.

      Plus California has granted amnesty, and look what happened. It didn't solve the problem, it only made it much much worse!

      I invite everyone to come stay in Los Angeles and see if this is what you want for your city and town!

    2. Walter - Erie, Color says:

      We now have two legal systems in our country.

      One for illegal aliens and a more onerous one for legal citizens of the U.S.A.

      Example 1: Annually, as a business owner, I pay my outside CPA over $1,000 to properly prepare and pay my taxes. In 2004, I was audited by the IRS. My CPA represented me, they found NO mistakes and my taxes were paid properly. The audit cost me $850 for my CPA's participation.

      Recently, 1,300 illegal aliens were caught in a raid in Weld County, Colorado. None of them were filing taxes to pay, they were all requesting a non-warranted refund. The Judge threw out the case and ordered the refund requests destroyed. He subsuquently retired so as not to face the santuary city issues.

      Therefore: A legal citizen pays his taxes and pays to prove the payment was correct whereas the illegal aliens file a false return to steal monies from the U. S. Govt and their false statements to the IRS are overlooked with their records destroyed.

      Example 2: My son was arrested for a DUI when the Broomfield Police found him sleeping under the influence of alcohol in his car. He spent 10 days in jail, paid a $1,000 fine, provide 60 hours of community service, and had to complete counseling coursed costing over $2,500. Three years later, he was still being penalized with SR-11 insurance.

      An illegal alien spead through a red light while under the influence of alcohol, killed 2 women on the sidewalk, and killed 1 child sitting in a Basken Robins. This was his 17th time to picked up for DUI. To date, he still has not been deported nor put in prison to pay for the vehicular homisides.

      One discretion for my legal white boy son who just graduated from CU whereas 17 discretions for an illegal alien who todate has not been deported nor sent to prison.

      A simple question. Why are there two sets of justice for legal citizens vs illegal aliens?

    3. Sue, Everett, WA says:

      One can only hope that, as more people become personally affected by the state of our economy, that perhaps fewer people are going to be bleeding heart liberals. When the voters in California passed Prop. 187, denying benefits to illegal aliens, the "Hispanic community" took it on as their cause. The proposition said nothing specifically about illegal immigration from Mexico. I would like to know what keeps the average citizen law-abiding? And these dramatic statements like "deporting illegal aliens tears families apart"? If America were to apply that logic, why stop there? Doesn't incarcerating people tear families apart? Should we begin emptying our prisons?

    4. marcy pompano beach says:

      " passing immigration reform this year would go along way"… and be it not to an effective census- but eight long years of dems in control…what will it cost the taxpayers of the nation and they are growing fewer everyday…be sure we will not last long enough into the future to pay off the debt

    5. fool says:

      If by stealing a social security number anyone can wreak havoc then the SSN system should be fixed first. Make identity theft impossible – else what's the use of having this number, and all this computer technology? Go back to third world ways

    6. Garry Northridge Cal says:

      Why don't more people write to their Congressman or Senators to voice their stance on illegal immigration? In the past week the Sumpreme Court ruled that illegal immigrates can use your social security to gain employment. He E-verify should be mandated on a federal level. Since it is 99.5% effective. Why are we allowing people that are here illegally use our social security numbers? We all know that it cost billions of dollars more to keep these illegal immigrates. What ever happen to the double layer fence the Democratic Congress promised? Why does the Democratic party care more about the illegal immigrate than the American worker? Why does are government continue to grant money to the A.C.L.U. that favors the illegal Immigrate rather than the American worker?

    7. Troy Frugé - says:

      The question I've not yet heard adequately answered is, "WHY?" Why have the Democrats knowingly allowed illegal immigration to burgeon to such crisis levels? What have they to gain from it?

      ANSWER: Power. Few realize what the real "end-game" is here.

      The socialist-democrats in charge view the 12+ million illegals currently here as potential lock-step voters in their party. Think of it, If you wanted to radically change the voting demographics of America practically over-night, how better to do it than to grant amnesty to over 12 million people who have little or no experience with anything but leftist-socialism! It's anything but genuine benevolence which accounts for the Democrats rape of American Citizens, in order to grant social services, jobs, and education to these insurgents.

      Conservatives kid themselves into thinking that 2010 will offer them an opportunity to turn it all around. If the leftist pull this off… our voice will be drowned out, and we the marginalized/dis-enfranchised of America will be a whipped & whimpering slave.

    8. david, omaha says:

      Oh here we go with the bleeding hearts. (LAUGHING) you know this is LAW MONTH I HOPE.

      You say the legalizing won't cause a flood of more ILLEGAL immigrants. Check out your history of what happened after 1986 when Ronald Ragen thought and said the same thing.

      The country was asleep at closing the Border to Mexico and the ant like march of Mexican goes on even to this day.

      Now with Obama and Janet at the head of our countrys Immgration enforcement, Less is even being done. and Janet should loose her job for what DHS has said about citizens of the U.S. and NOT DONE to stop the flow and enforce OUR LAWS.

      The Phrase "Yes we CAN" can apply to sending them all home if they are illegal and letting others for other countries into this country on VISA's. Just because they are land locked with the U.S. is not a FREE PASS.

      Note: I am married to a Foreigner and NO she is not MEXICAN. We did it the legal way.

    9. Anon, Appalachia says:

      The bonding of employers who want slave labor and unicorn-believers who think niceness will change the world is going to sink the U.S. to a third-world country.

      But the employers do not care. They will have their money. And the unicorn-believers will live in the pink clouds until someone in their family is harmed by illegal immigration, and then it will be too late.

      I urge our government to arrest and punish employers of illegal aliens. I urge the unicorns-and-puppies crowd to live by their values: take the doors off your home and the screens from your wide-open windows. See who moves in and how much they contribute to your world. Keep the cell phone handy so you can dial 911 quickly. What is happening is no different from what you are doing to our country and her future.

    10. Norski, MN says:

      Seven Reasons why Simon Rosenberg's "Seven Reasons Why The Congress Should Pass Comprehensive Immigration Reform This Year" are untrue –

      1) In tough economic times, we need to remove the "trap door" under the minimum wage?

      Statistics show that only about 2% of the workforce earned at or below the minimum wage. There is no trap door. The erosive force posed by Illegal Immigrants falls on wages far above the minimum wage. For example, Meatpackers average $12/hr today whereas in 1980 the average wage was $22/hr in today’s dollars.

      2) In a time of tight budgets, passing immigration reform will bring more money into the federal treasury?

      In #1 above it is claimed that Illegal Immigrants are in low paying jobs. Today, people in low paying jobs get more tax money back than they pay because of various tax credits. Legalization would qualify Illegal Immigrants for this same benefit. And incredibly the bottom 40% of U.S. Workers pay no net income tax.

      3) Reforming our immigration system will increasingly be seen as a critical part of any comprehensive strategy to calm the increasingly violent border region?

      Illegal Immigrant smuggling is less profitable than drug smuggling so in fact drugs are the driver of this situation. In our State, Law Enforcement has eradicated most Meth production so it now comes from Mexico.

      4) Fixing the immigration system will help reinforce that it is a "new day" for U.S.-Latin American relations?

      So now we are supposed to tolerate law breaking behavior to make our neighbors feel good? What would make our neighbors feel good is fostering their economic development with jobs, rather than keeping them poor so that those who exploit Illegal Immigration for fun and profit can have a continued supply of cheap labor.

      5) Passing immigration reform this year clears the way for a clean census next year?

      The census is about apportionment, not the sloppy way that the votes are currently counted. None of this would have affected Florida 2000 or Minnesota 2008. In fact, counting Illegal Immigrants is inherently unfair because it adds representation in States with large numbers of people ineligible to vote, thus magnifying the power of those who can vote.

      6) The Administration and Congress will grow weary of what we call "immigration proxy wars," and will want the issue taken off the table?

      If they cannot stand the heat, they should get out of the kitchen – Harry Truman.

      7) Finally, in the age of Obama, we must be vigilant to stamp out racism wherever it appears?

      Black Students in Little Rock were at first denied admittance to the school of their choice because it might have resulted in injury to Black People. That was the position of the Governor of Arkansas, and it was considered to be racist by the Federal Court. Allowing people to violate the law based on race or nationality is inherently racist.

    11. Delaware Bob, Smyrna says:

      I can't say the ILLEGAL ALIENS are completely to blame for the shape of our economy, but they are a BIG part of the problem. The ILLEGAL ALIENS send BILLIONS upon BILLIONS out of this Country every year, money we will NEVER see again. Does this help our economy?

      How about the BILLIONS the American taxpayers fork out for the ILLEGAL ALIEN BABIES, the schooling of them, the medical care and the list goes on, and on, and on.

      How about the MILLIONS upon MILLIONS paid to jail ILLEGAL ALIENS for the crimes, then the cost to deport them. Does this help our economy?

      Then you have these activist groups, the Catholic Church and the ACLU that want AMNESTY for these ILLEGAL ALIENS. It would be absolute suicide for this Country if AMNESTY were granted to the 12-20 million or so ILLEGAL ALIENS. We have more and more people out of work everyday and they want to add another 20 million to this Country? I say, "NO"!

      If AMNESTY were ever granted to these 20 million ILLEGAL ALIENS, you can bet big money that 3 years from now, there would be ANOTHER 3-5 million ILLEGAL ALIENS demonstrating on our soil for AMNESTY.

      An end MUST come to this illegal immigration. The perfect tool we have so far is E-Verify. It MUST be used by ALL businesses and Government Social Services. EVERY employee must be checked! If they are illegal, they are to be dismissed!

      I believe it is time for all 50 States to pass a State law, like Arizona, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Missouri, South Carolina and a few others. It is time for these ILLEGAL ALIENS to go back to their home Country and get out of this Country. The problems they are causing will not go away until the ILLEGAL ALIENS are out of this Country.

      It's time for ZERO TOLERENCE with these ILLEGAL ALIENS. It's time for them to return to their own country where they belong. They DON'T belong here.

    12. Barb -mn says:

      The government pampers us with rhetoric.

      Setting us up seems to be a norm for this ugly, deceitful, unfair government.

    13. paul shaw in s.c. says:

      Wat if we charge 5000 dollars to this illegal aliens to become citizens,and pay the back taxes for the time they have been here,and pass the criminal background test , if all these have done imagine how much revenue it will bring to the economy and also they have to pass ged exam to speak english, and also can't apply for any benefits for atleast 10years ,, by doing all this ,I think it will create more jobs and revenue for the country from this illegals, and also provide enough education of not to come illegally but to come legally in our country,,, afterall there should be some solution of any issues for the country,,,

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