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  • Morning Bell: Geithner in Wonderland

    When President Barack Obama introduced Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH) as his nominee for Commerce Secretary, Obama said of Gregg: “He shares my deep-seated commitment to guaranteeing that our children inherit a future they can afford.” After yesterday’s Senate Budget Committee hearing, we now know why Gregg eventually decided he could not in good faith join the Administration. Referring to the president’s fiscal 2010 budget proposal, Gregg told Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner: “This budget, as it’s presently constructed, pass[es] on to our children a nation which they will not be able to afford. … I think we’re putting at risk not only our children’s future, we’re clearly putting at risk the value of a dollar and our ability to sell debt.”

    Gregg’s tongue lashing should not have come as any surprise. Gregg took to the pages of yesterday’s Washington Times writing:

    The budget the Obama administration has presented to the American people is a new type of budget: it expands our government in unprecedented ways and presents the largest tax increase in history. It raises total spending to $3.9 trillion in 2009, or 28 percent of gross domestic product, the highest level as a share of GDP since World War II.

    In the next five years, the debt will double, and in 10 years, it will triple. This budget creates more debt than under every president from George Washington to George W. Bush combined … the Obama administration’s proposal is not a budget that the rest of America would recognize as a document for living within one’s means. It simply spends too much, taxes too much and borrows too much. It is a game plan for an explosive expansion of the size and intrusiveness of the national government based on a belief that bureaucrats can more effectively manage large segments of our economy and our daily lives than the private sector or the individual.

    Gregg was far from the only Senator to voice concerns about Obama’s tax, borrow, and spend budget plan. Budget Committee Chair Kent Conrad (D-ND) told reporters after the hearing he was highly skeptical about Administration claims that their major health care reform could stave off massive costs that will burden the government in future years: “Is this really a move to save money or is it just going to cost more money?” Conrad told the DC Examiner.

    For his part, Geithner seemed blissfully unwilling to acknowledge how unworkable the Obama budget is, telling the panel: “We share more in common than you believe.” Gregg was having none of it. Responding to Geithner’s assertion that Obama’s budget would cut taxes for 95% of Americans, Gregg replied: “The argument that this budget doesn’t have tax increases is, I think, an Alice in Wonderland view of the budget.” Perhaps it is time for Geithner to come out of his rabbit hole.

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    41 Responses to Morning Bell: Geithner in Wonderland

    1. ozzy6900 says:

      The Budget that the Obama Administration is giving us is so far fetched, it is impossible to fathom how the whole thin can be supported. This is the problem with Liberals, they don't think of how things will get paid for because they believe that the Government is a bank…. a never ending bank at that! Liberals think the Government can never run out of money because when money gets low, they just print more!

      Strange, but maybe in eons gone by, that is why we were a gold based system. All the money was backed by the appropriate amount of gold and or silver. Back then, you could not just print money without backing it. Wouldn't THAT throw a monkey wrench into the Obama Administration!

    2. SteveM, Saginaw, MI says:

      Is it just me or does it seem that Geithner has already seen the writing on the wall concerning Obama's fiscal policies and has already checked out. Going through the motions at our children's expense no less.

      I will not be surprised to see him step down in the near future.

    3. Ken Jarvis - Las Veg says:

      HF – "it expands our government in unprecedented ways

      and presents the

      largest tax increase in history."

      TELL US -




    4. MC Draheim, TEXAS says:

      What do we expect from a heritage of United States conspirators to now be in the seat of power to bring our ultimate failure?? And to act so cooly as-a-matter-of-fact-ly; ignoring reason, whose mission is to set us up without considering sense because it is the democrats turn to fly us into the ground without anyone stopping them. In such a mess; we can only expect divine deliverance. We are experiencing humility as reality hits home. Pray for courage.

    5. Fernando, Houston says:

      Have you seen the movie "Zoolander"? The part when Will Ferrell said, "Is everyone taking crazy pills!". His statement couldn't be more applicable.

      Does anyone really believe Obama, Geithner, and the Democratic Congress are actually on top of the situation? What a blatant, greedy, fiasco! And worse of all, they're spending as fast as they can before Americans discover what's happening. How selfish!

      This is happening before our eyes and we can't stop the bleeding fast enough. I typically don't wish time to pass quickly, but November can't get here fast enough. My concern is that November may be too late to protect the United States from the self inflicted destuction imposed by these out of control "children".


    6. Richard Cancemi,Arli says:

      Washington has been growing increasingly corrupt over the years; now we are witnessing that it is growing increasingly incompetent also! We suffer the consequences of both!

      This new administration has hurt us more in the first 50 days of its installation than even ex-President Carter did in his miserable performance over 4 years!

    7. James Mc MANAMA says:

      Recently I have lost all trust in the republican party. It would seem to me that their willing to apease their conservative base with one vote; only to go back to their rino ways. I refuse to support a party who does not represent my conservative princples and stand firm against those who would spend our country into oblivion.

      Is Mr. Steele the man for the job? Maybe a conservative third party is the answer.

      Thankyou for listening.


    8. Ken Jarvis - Las Veg says:

      WSJ – 3-9-09

      "The wealth of American families plunged nearly 18% in 2008,"

      "The wealth of American families plunged nearly 18% in 2008,"

      "The wealth of American families plunged nearly 18% in 2008,

      erasing years of sharp gains on housing and stocks and marking the biggest loss since the Federal Reserve began keeping track after World War II."



      WAS PREZ IN 2008?

      BuSh was – So WHY BLAME Obama?


    9. Ron, Derry , NH says:

      The whole country seems to be visiting Alice too. Gregg is sounding more like an outsider to reality as the cool aide drinkers are drunk with Utopian idealism and so few really understand that debt is devaluation in real time. The drunken stupor is like Katrina victims waiting to be saved, when all they need do is act.

      All I hear from the droning beat of rhetorical worship is; "Give him a chance, its only been a few weeks". It's like listening to naive children spewing out "Give peace a chance" while killers are taking over the neighborhood and destroying civilization with out resistance. Only that they are not in the cross hairs yet do they enjoy the luxury of such pathetic ignorant nonsense.

      Phil Ochs was right, in his song a small circle of friends. No one cares as the girl is being raped outside the window as they are playing monopoly and would hate to interrupt the game.

      A raping is going on and no one wishes to act, as it would upset their beliefs that America could never have hatched such deceivers.

      The confirmation of all we feared is that a subculture of thieves, that will spend your money on themselves through extorted power, approving themselves as lords over all, will now have the reigns of this country to bleed it dry for a minimum of 4 years. All in the name of Democracy. Demagoguery would be a more representative title.


      This is fiscal irresponsibility taken to a level of arrogance like never before by a party that steals earned human value and uses extortion to favor its ideals. We are not just being fleeced but set up to fail.

      And I'm an optimist.

    10. Jamey, Central Calif says:

      Third party is my vote too. Conservative party. obama is a puppet. Just wait till this stuff comes to roost. Silly man.

    11. TC South Carolinaoul says:

      Geithner looks dazed and confused. As though he thought he was being invited to a fraterity party and found out it was a lynching. I agree, he'll be gone sooner than later.

      It's our money Obama wants, we the people need to "just say no", and we need a strong force in Washington, with a backbone, to shoot this out loud and clear until he (Obama) and his greedy followers back off.

      Obama has missed the opportunity of a lifetime, he could have put forth sound, fically responsible policies that fix this probelm, but instead, has chosen to take advantage

      of the situation and pile on every spending item on the liberal wish list from the past 30 years.

    12. Ozzy6900, CT says:

      Mr. Jarvis, I am not the HF, I am just a simple Conservative so I hope this will help you along.


      Every time you ask the Government to help, set a policy, oversee, delegate, etc., your are increasing Government Control. When you increase Government Control, you are asking it to take over a job that should be handled (in 99.9% of the cases) by the People. Also, the Government physically grows because the Government cannot do anything in a simple fashon. Government expansion also reduces Freedom because when Government controls something, Government must make rules and/or laws. Rules and laws restrict freedom – sometimes this is good, most times this is bad.


      I'm sure you are an intelligent person who, like all of us, has bills and (hopefully) a job. When you receive your bills, do you pay them or do you defer them? Chances are you pay them from the money you earn. Also, you want to be careful that you do not spend more than you can afford so you do not wind up in debt.

      The Federal Government is similar to us in that they collect taxes to pay for the projects they develop. If you take in say $1 billion in taxes and propose to spend $1 trillion in projects, you will be in debt unless you either raise your income. The only ways the Federal Government can raise it's income is;

      1. Print money – not a smart thing to do without backing

      2. Call in World Debts – not very likely

      3. Raise taxes on its Citizens

      Which of the three choices, Mr. Jarvis, do you think will be done? Correct Mr. Jarvis, the answer is number 3!

      Now President Obama says (this week) that only those who earn above $250k will see a raise in taxes. Now, Mr. Jarvis, how long do you think that will last? There aren't enough people earning above $250k to "cover the bet". Meanwhile, these people being the business owners, the CEO's – you know those terrible, horrible people that employ the rest of us – are going to have to: lay off workers and raise prices. Yes, we will all pay for that because as you know, the increase is paid by the consumer.

      Soon the Government will see that it is not taking in enough money so President Obama will have to go back on ANOTHER promise and raise the taxes of those who make less than $250k. But don't worry, soon we will all be okay, the President has told us so. He is always thinking about us and will take care of us. Just wait and see, Mr. Jarvis….. just wait….. and see!

    13. Franklin's Lock says:

      It is astonishing to me to see how dumb this Administration thinks we are. It is as if we cannot read nor do simple math. Look, by allowing the Bush tax cut to expire, that raises taxes on everyone who pays taxes. That is an increase. So, yes, Geithner should start looking for that tardy rabbit and a lost girl to help him find realty.

      Also, for anyone who debates that Obama is not responsible for this, remember since the Inauguration, the U.S. has lost $3 trillion dollars of wealth in the stock market and has gone down 30%. Bush is nowhere to be seen. Can’t blame him when he is not here. Nice try.


    14. Lady Di says:

      Did I blink and miss a stimulous payment? The Only

      thing STIMULATED is my OUTRAGE of our Predicament!!

      My husband and I both own businrsses with 3

      Employees, and can't even afford to pay ourselves!

      We MUST GET A GRIP ……

      THIS IS AMERICA!! Have we all lost our sanity,

      while the CRIMINALS get MILLIONS????

    15. Ardell Nagle , Rexbu says:

      Heard on the radio about one of Obama's appointees is being investigated by the FBI, he can sure pick em.

      Glad to hear that Gregg didn't want any part of this administration.

      A quote from Eisenhower " Republicans believe everyday is the 4Th of July, Democrats believe everyday is April 15.

    16. Phil, North Carolina says:

      What is the purpose of all these hearings if the wrongs exposed are not going to be made right?


    17. Painesright, Texas says:

      If you haven't watched it yet (almost 1.3 million people have), you will be shocked at how wrong the "experts" were and how right Peter Schiff has been in predicting the current crisis over the past 8 years: Watch the classic "Peter Schiff was right 2006 – 2007 (2nd edition)" here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I0QN-FYkpw&fe

      If you liked that one, be sure to watch this one too: "Peter Schiff was right 2006 – 2007 – CNBC edition": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0YTY5TWtmU

      So what is Peter Schiff predicting now? He says the crisis is "just getting started", while the so-called experts are saying that the market has bottomed and will recover soon. Who are you going to believe?? Only time will tell who's right…

      For much more insight from Peter Schiff, visit his company website at http://www.europac.net where Peter posts a Commentary every Friday and posts economy-related articles from many different sources every weekday. Also, check out an excellent blog that posts all videos by Peter Schiff, Ron Paul, Jim Rogers and Mark Faber at: http://financialtruth0.blogspot.com/.

      Stay informed. Knowledge is power!

    18. ra,ohio says:

      Ozzy, you are exactly right.

      You can't believe anything Obama says because he doesn't know what "HE" is doing until his advisers tell him, thru his teleprompter.

      His administration is either in flux or they are keeping the economy off it's feet on purpose.

      The fact that Turbo Timmy is at the G20 is scary to me.

      On the other hand,…Maybe TurboTax wrote new software to help him out.

    19. Bob R Geologist, Tuc says:

      Obama is doing what he promised you Democrats to do so what can you expect?

    20. Bob R Geologist, Tuc says:

      You Democrats elected Obama, now we all have to live with him and his outrageous policies.

    21. Ken in Santa Barbara says:

      This really is getting ridiculous. I sometimes wonder if I'm visiting an elementary school discussion group. Ozzy6900 I don't find everything you say completely wrong but the problem is that you seem to have waited too long and what your are saying is not principally correct, only "right". I assume your are calling Richard Nixon a liberal in your remarks addressing the Gold Standard. I'm thinking that's a stretch. I'll follow your train of thought a little further and see if I can figure out how one blames liberals for the current debt and domestic problems.

      Conn…..nice push to misrepresent us on the economy is “not as bad as we think.“

      In your reference to Breibart.com (good grief!) THe quote lays out like this.

      "I don't think things are ever as good as they say, or ever as bad as they say," Obama added. "Things two years ago were not as good as we thought because there were a lot of underlying weaknesses in the economy. They're not as bad as we think they are now."

      As for deficit spending and taxes, wasn't it a republican 5 star general/President who refused to lower taxes until the budget was balanced. Have clue what the upper tax rate was then? 34 -39% for the wealthiest (however anyone cares to define that class) doesn't seem quite so bad.

      As long as we are quoting General Eisenhower let us not forget

      "We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex." (although he did not wish to offend the congress and left out "congressional)

      "We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security."

      When defining simple conservative Ozzy, are you more of the adjective or more of the noun "simple conservatve"?


      It helps me to know.

      Lady Di of Lady Di writes: "Good Luck" I've been through it and I hope the criminals are subdued. I survived the years of promised trickle down economics despite the lack of trickle down…..I hope you can hang in there.

    22. Spiritof76, New Hamp says:

      Ken Jarvis thinks that by saying that Bush was the president last eight years, everything that we see today can be blamed on him. Certainly, some of the blame belongs to him. But the Democrats have been in charge of the US Congress since 2006. The very little that is left of our Constitution places the spending on the Congress. Why didn't the Democrats control the spending? Why didn't the Congress repeal the CRA that was the reason for the sub-prime bubble? Democrats stood in the way of reforming the Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Check the Congressional records. Why didn't the Congress goaded the Feds to get rid of the easy money that had brought so much ruin to our economy?

      It is a nice try. It is not going to wash as we see triple double next year-double digit unemployment, inflation and interest rates. What we will end up with a double-down on Carter malaise. I hope you are preparing for it. It wouldn't matter how euphoric you feel about the Obama administration now and how hateful about Bush administration when we are faced with bleak outlook next year.

    23. Olathe, KS says:

      Obama is obviously 'not' prepared to be President…Sadly, He is Lost and it Shows.

      Conservative Values are good and strong, but it is our responsibility to not only live them, but speak out for them.

      GOD was and IS the backbone of this Country…and We must not allow ourselves to cower under the opposing view.


    24. Carlos R. Arvizu Sr. says:

      All I can say, it is ashame that we have these smart people running the government, who have education and No Common Sense!

      If a free society can not pays it's bills, and the government continues to spend, raises taxes and can not afford to pay its' own bills, what will be the final outcome be for that free society? Anarchy? The Big question is: How does a government exist?

      Carlos R. Arvizu Sr.


    25. Mike, Hickory, NC says:

      Question: Do you, and any of the rest of us, really and honestly expect such a Soclialist Left government elitist hypocrite of a tax cheat and crook as Comrade Secretary of the Treasury Timothy Geithner to ever "come out of his rabbit hole"?

      Well, as the saying goes, "Don't hold your breath waiting for that, or you'll suffocate yourself to death".

      Why? Because Comrade Secretary Geithern knows that Obama and his Comrades are the ones who helped him get where he is through their making sure certain things happen. Such as: Geithner's big ticket tax-cheating, etc, being practically "forgiven" instead of the IRS "garnishing" from him and having him imprisoned for "tax evasion", when, as already demonstrated countless times, most people, (especially any Republicans seeking, nominated for, or already in "public office") would end-up under "garnishment" by the IRS, and facing imprisonment for "tax evasion".

      In fact, not only does Comrade Secretary Geithner know it's Obama and his Comrades who made it possible for him to be where he is, but he himself makes it evident on a practically daily basis how he is also a power and money-grabbing Socialist government elitist, so of course he's not about to actually and really "come out of his rabbit hole".

      Not only that, but being a Leftist government elitist himself, and having a matching desire for power, money, and self-preservation, Geithner certainly has neither our best interests at heart nor any interest in meeting the same fate as others who have really displeased their Leftist Comrades and benefactors and ended-up paying for it through their Comrades and benefactors arranging for their destruction in any way.

      So let's all "wake up and smell the coffee" and not make any self-destructive efforts, such as "holding our breath" expecting and waiting for such a Socialist Left government elitist as Comrade Secretary Geithner to actually and really "come out of his rabbit hole".

    26. David Jacquot, Pries says:


      Federal Case Alleges Political Elite Get Favorable Tax Treatment Over Ordinary Citizens

      On 5 March 2009 a Motion was filed in U.S. v. David Jacquot, Case # CR 08-1171, in the Federal District Court, in San Diego, California seeking to dismiss a false tax return indictment on the grounds that the Defendant was not treated in the same manner as politically prominent individuals. A hearing on this matter is set for 30 March 2009 in San Diego and the Defendant in this case intends to subpoena Secretary of the Treasury Timothy Geithner, House Ways and Means Chairman Charles Rangel, former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, and others.

      The Defendant in this case is David Jacquot, an attorney and retired Army Officer. He is a decorated disabled Desert Storm veteran living in rural Idaho with his family.

      This “Geithner Motion” cites HR 735 titled the “Rangel Rule Act of 2009,” which if enacted, would eliminate penalties and interest for common citizens to allow them to be treated in the same manner as House Ways and Means Chairman Representative Charles Rangel. The Geithner Motion also quotes President Obama stressing the need to “treat common citizens in the same manner as politically prominent individuals in regards to tax matters”.

      The Geithner Motion details how Mr. Jacquot was vindictively indicted in retaliation for his successful defense of his clients against the IRS. The tax returns of his corporate law firm for the four (4) years of 2001 to 2004 were investigated and the government alleges that the law firm declared almost $200,000 TOO MUCH income during this time period. The Geithner Motion contains descriptions of numerous actions by the government and Assistant U.S. Attorney (AUSA) Faith Devine that are the basis for the claim of retaliation against Mr. Jacquot for his zealous representation of his client’s Constitutional and statutory rights. The improper actions of AUSA Devine have been reported to the DOJ Office of Professional Responsibility for disciplinary action and are currently under review.

      A copy of the Geithner Motion and the complaint against AUSA Faith Devine can be downloaded at:


    27. michael hutchings says:















    28. John Rosina, Bordent says:

      For Ozzy6900: You, my friend, have drunk the KoolAde of the well financed and information controlling Wealthy and Economic Globalists.

      Just who do you think took us off the Gold Standard my misguided Feaux-unionized friend? A republican, Richard M. Nixon.

      Just who do you think took us into Trickle Down Economics and away from meaningful control of the unpatriotic Banks? (The Money First Party) Ronald Reagan – supported by Slick Willie.

      When is the last time the middle classes real income grew? (after adjustment for inflation)It was in the mid 1970's! Oz. Since then our real income has declined 14%, and yet you still rail for unfettered capitalism. We've become the lap dog of the super rich!

      Meanwhile – Corporate and Wall Street America went on a deregulated Globalization Binge that sucked the discretionay purchasing power out of working fools like you and I, shipped the vast majority of wealth generating manufacturing jobs overseas and told you and I we were too costly. In the same breath they told us our Corporate CEO's rightfully commanded multi-million dollar wage and benefit packages. And the average gullible American buys that crap.

      The attached url should serve to remind you and your conservative Republican neocon narcissists

      "Outs" on our Gold Standard. I suggest you read it and a whole bunch more before taking on issues you know little or nothing about.

      In 40 years, from FDR's day, the money supply almost doubled. In the post Nixon era, the money supply redoubled 13 times. And our Fed Gov't took us off what used to be the publiscized money supply! Ask yourself why? Get a Grip, Ozzy.

      HF – we are largely agreed on "funny money". I just wish you'd highlight big businesses complicity as the main driver of this cancerous growth of currency.

    29. John Rosina, Bordent says:

      Sorry, forgot to add the "permission granted" url.

      Thank you HF


    30. Jean, Bridgewater, M says:

      This week I heard that Mr. Geithner is going to close up the loopholes for those people who are making money internationally–Who Better to do that!

      How is it possible for 95% of the people to get a tax break and the government still pay their bills? 5% of the people cannot support everyone, including themselves. How soon do you think the middle class will have their taxes increased?

      I have worked for small businesses all of my life. If I don't properly help them prosper, they cannot "share the fruits of their prosperity" with me and my coworkers. And if I don't receive any "fruit", I will not be stimulating the economy!

    31. don-lacrosse, wi says:

      i'm amazed at how so many americans were hoodwinked by obama. for the first time in my 57 years, i'm truly fearful of this great nations future. never seen or felt so much pessimism in this country!

    32. Craig, Albuquerque says:

      Udall and Bingaman, I hope you guys are listening. Tea Parties and "We Surround Them" meetings are just the beginning. American Public is tired of corrupt politicans not just spending our money but wasting it. We are tired of liberal justice and liberal judges who interpret the law to advance some social agenda. The millions being spent in New Mexico (stimulus) comes with a price tag, it's not free money. What's worse is that much of it will end up in the back pocket of someone like Manny Aragon. Waste, waste, waste. One should ask, "for whom the bell tolls". We tax payers are about to change life as most politicans have known it.

    33. John B, Arlington, V says:

      Documentary "The great climate change swindle" a must see for those with a brain like a parachte. You know the one that works because it is open!!!

    34. Kenneth, NW says:

      I would have like to see Timmy G. bow out and guys like Dashel and Freeman hang on. Dashel paid a great deal of taxes on a car and driver and his task was in health care. Freeman stepped down from nomination because the well organized guys were gonna harp on him despite the fact he did nothing wrong,. Timmy G is a financial guy with a financial job that didn't pay his fair share. Tim may be brilliant but his actions bring that into question.

    35. John Rosina, Bordent says:

      John B,Arlington – Why don't you broaden my horizon's and give me YOUR opinion – instead of a positional sound byte on "parachtes" and "brains".

      I sense you are holding back a wealth of insight into our planets status and future. My mind is open – and I anxiously await YOUR position. I can get the opinion of a canned documentary production (and they all usually have a position for or against a thing) as easy as the next guy.

      For instance, a question, what is your take on the ice core samples at the poles that dramatically demonstrate our recent (last 40 years) switch from "Leaded fuels" to Non Leaded fuels??? Or is there natural airborne lead in, say, Arlington Va.

      Question #2: What did YOU think of the actual article in HF on Friday?

      You and I could Team up with Ozzy and see if we can get us on a Green and Gold Standard – reverse Nixon's decision? I'm in.

    36. ella quinn kinston n says:

      Ken Jarvis your democratic congress were in charge in 2008. They would not let bush do anything. Quit blaming bush.

    37. Barb -mn says:

      Good one, ella! Now all lvken7 has to do is study the government process! And come to realize there is no such thing as a competent, efficient democrat in today's world. It was a democrat that said what he did about a crisis…i forgot, but will always remember the principle of what he was saying.


    38. John B, Arlington, V says:

      Hello, John Rosina answer to your question..

      " Why don’t you broaden my horizon’s and give me YOUR opinion?"

      1. that is the problem too many opinions. I am not a professional in this area BUT i am a thinker. Hope you are the same..

      2 How do you explain the erronious facts that NASA used for there temperature readings last summer. To help our tax payer funds to keep rollin in for more research? Follow the money right?

      3. Alot of self interest b.s. out there buddy.

      Check out the movie and please get back to me.


    39. John Rosina, Bordent says:

      ella of NC – Fool us once, shame on us, fool us twice shame isn't, er you know – aw heck, no more foolin' us!

      So Sayeth the Public – Massively!

    40. John Rosina, Bordent says:

      John B – You are correct, although I am unaware of the NASA Datum! You gotta deal.

      Lead in the atmosphere, meanwhile, is something my parents generation of citizens and politicians were mature enough and politically responsible enough to do something about. And that datum is coming in from the ever shrinking ice cap.

      I wish our generation (I'm a 1948 model) would be less self serving, greedy and just plain incompetent.





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