Comments on: Cap and Trade Was Never About Climate http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/06/cap-and-trade-was-never-about-climate/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:29:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Chris, Idaho http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/06/cap-and-trade-was-never-about-climate/#comment-44753 Chris, Idaho Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:54:54 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=3475#comment-44753 Sorry, not WCI.org, it's westernclimateinitiative.org Sorry, not WCI.org, it's westernclimateinitiative.org

]]> By: Chris, Idaho http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/06/cap-and-trade-was-never-about-climate/#comment-44752 Chris, Idaho Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:53:29 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=3475#comment-44752 If the Federal Cap and Trade goes through or not, if you live in the West you should check out WCI.org. It's our own 'homegrown' Cap and Trade, and it's coming sooner than the Federal Legislation. What I can't figure out is if these overlap, if one overrides the other, or if they will each take a big bite out of our economic prosperity. Any feedback would be appreciated. If the Federal Cap and Trade goes through or not, if you live in the West you should check out WCI.org. It's our own 'homegrown' Cap and Trade, and it's coming sooner than the Federal Legislation. What I can't figure out is if these overlap, if one overrides the other, or if they will each take a big bite out of our economic prosperity. Any feedback would be appreciated.

]]> By: sean http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/06/cap-and-trade-was-never-about-climate/#comment-29663 sean Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:38:49 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=3475#comment-29663 Question? Can individual states opt-out of cap and trade? Here in south carolina we have some co opts. Where the individuals citizens pay and set up there energy supply ran by a electic company where they have the say so on what kind of energy they want to receive. Can a energy company within a state like this refuse to send tax money to Washington without reprocussions? What if it was put into the state constitution that any form of energy obtained by the people of it's state can be sole property of it's people of the state and can be used to build it's infistructure without federal taxation to distribute that revenue to another company with a higher overhead cost or governmental social program to another state? The 10th ammendment containing to states rights should be upheld!!!!Would the governor's of such state's stand behind the energy companys not to pay federal taxes under a cap & trade sceme to send money out of one state to support a energy or social program to another state/country while impacting the people of the state that they were elected to represent? If so they should not have a second term in office without reprocussions to the growth of it's state welfare. I said states welfare; not a welfare system for you leaches,but a system that is able to produce revenue for a state's necessitys to opperate and keep order. This is done by keeping energy prices low inorder to increase buisnesse's to move into a commmunity with low taxation on corporate profits and abundant energy with a willing working populaltion without explotation. This working population will be then paying lower energy rates also, employed and be able to pay for there morgage(with property taxes payed to the state). Question? Can individual states opt-out of cap and trade? Here in south carolina we have some co opts. Where the individuals citizens pay and set up there energy supply ran by a electic company where they have the say so on what kind of energy they want to receive. Can a energy company within a state like this refuse to send tax money to Washington without reprocussions? What if it was put into the state constitution that any form of energy obtained by the people of it's state can be sole property of it's people of the state and can be used to build it's infistructure without federal taxation to distribute that revenue to another company with a higher overhead cost or governmental social program to another state? The 10th ammendment containing to states rights should be upheld!!!!Would the governor's of such state's stand behind the energy companys not to pay federal taxes under a cap & trade sceme to send money out of one state to support a energy or social program to another state/country while impacting the people of the state that they were elected to represent? If so they should not have a second term in office without reprocussions to the growth of it's state welfare. I said states welfare; not a welfare system for you leaches,but a system that is able to produce revenue for a state's necessitys to opperate and keep order. This is done by keeping energy prices low inorder to increase buisnesse's to move into a commmunity with low taxation on corporate profits and abundant energy with a willing working populaltion without explotation. This working population will be then paying lower energy rates also, employed and be able to pay for there morgage(with property taxes payed to the state).

]]> By: Pegasus66, South Car http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/06/cap-and-trade-was-never-about-climate/#comment-26458 Pegasus66, South Car Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:07:34 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=3475#comment-26458 Cap&Trade/a tax on carbon, like inflation is a cruel, hidden tax that harms everyone. C&T will make Algore and his firends, heavily invested in alternative energy companies obscenely wealthy. The rest of us will be crippled financially when we try to fuel our cars, light, heat and cool our homes, schools and businesses, cook our food, manufacture products, run farm equipment so we can have something to eat, whatever . . . Inflation is caused by the Federal Reserve printing money, which it has been doing for years so the government can meet its daily obligations, let alone the interest on the DEBT. The dollars held by EVERYONE are worth less every day. It is the same as if your money was taxed away from you - - you have less purchasing power. NO ONE ESCAPES. The entire banking system is designed so that no matter what happens, the taxpayers get stuck with the bill - - even FDIC. Face it. The "crew in Washington, DC aren't stupid, they have an agenda - - make us so dependent upon government that there is nothing we can do (The new term is COMMUNITARIANISM - - Google it.) My best advice is to read "The Creature From Jekyll Island" by Griffin, and "Economics in One Lesson" by Hazlett. Then go to a Tea Party on April 15th and speak up. You should also Google: Cloward/Piven Strategy, Hegel's Dialectic, and Pavlov's Children (why children in government schools can't read and hate America.) We are victims of a vast, long-term strategy; we had better wake up, study hard, and fight back quickly. If conservative American values and common sense do not prevail in the 2010 midterm elections it will be our fault and our doom. (See ya on the government plantation with all the rest of the serfs.) Cap&Trade/a tax on carbon, like inflation is a cruel, hidden tax that harms everyone. C&T will make Algore and his firends, heavily invested in alternative energy companies obscenely wealthy. The rest of us will be crippled financially when we try to fuel our cars, light, heat and cool our homes, schools and businesses, cook our food, manufacture products, run farm equipment so we can have something to eat, whatever . . .

Inflation is caused by the Federal Reserve printing money, which it has been doing for years so the government can meet its daily obligations, let alone the interest on the DEBT. The dollars held by EVERYONE are worth less every day. It is the same as if your money was taxed away from you – - you have less purchasing power. NO ONE ESCAPES.

The entire banking system is designed so that no matter what happens, the taxpayers get stuck with the bill – - even FDIC.

Face it. The "crew in Washington, DC aren't stupid, they have an agenda – - make us so dependent upon government that there is nothing we can do (The new term is COMMUNITARIANISM – - Google it.)

My best advice is to read "The Creature From Jekyll Island" by Griffin, and "Economics in One Lesson" by Hazlett. Then go to a Tea Party on April 15th and speak up.

You should also Google: Cloward/Piven Strategy, Hegel's Dialectic, and Pavlov's Children (why children in government schools can't read and hate America.)

We are victims of a vast, long-term strategy; we had better wake up, study hard, and fight back quickly. If conservative American values and common sense do not prevail in the 2010 midterm elections it will be our fault and our doom. (See ya on the government plantation with all the rest of the serfs.)

]]> By: A. J. MOFFAT - IDAHO http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/06/cap-and-trade-was-never-about-climate/#comment-26047 A. J. MOFFAT - IDAHO Tue, 07 Apr 2009 12:28:15 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=3475#comment-26047 Carbon dioxide is not a polutant. Is there too much carbon dioxide in the air? NO. What is the dominant green house gas in the atmosphere? WATER not carbon dioxide. Is there danger in lowering the carbon dioxide level too much. YES. People will starve. But, I'm not too worried about it. I think that our leaders can spent many billions of dollars to lower atmospheric carbon dioxide with little success. Their greatest talent is spending money, not solving problems. Also, the vast majority of carbon dioxide is produced by MOTHER NATURE and not by fossil fuel combustion. Carbon dioxide is not a polutant. Is there too much carbon dioxide in the air? NO. What is the dominant green house gas in the atmosphere? WATER not carbon dioxide. Is there danger in lowering the carbon dioxide level too much. YES. People will starve. But, I'm not too worried about it. I think that our leaders can spent many billions of dollars to lower atmospheric carbon dioxide with little success. Their greatest talent is spending money, not solving problems. Also, the vast majority of carbon dioxide is produced by MOTHER NATURE and not by fossil fuel combustion.

]]> By: Senator Thune Protects Taxpayers from Global Warming Tax http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/06/cap-and-trade-was-never-about-climate/#comment-25397 Senator Thune Protects Taxpayers from Global Warming Tax Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:13:04 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=3475#comment-25397 [...] the Heritage Foundation has pointed out, it is interesting that Obama’s budget plan only shows $150 billion of that [...] [...] the Heritage Foundation has pointed out, it is interesting that Obama’s budget plan only shows $150 billion of that [...]

]]> By: Fred, Simi Valley http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/06/cap-and-trade-was-never-about-climate/#comment-21773 Fred, Simi Valley Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:43:59 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=3475#comment-21773 to PB sf: The Discovery, History and National Geographic Channels, are in the tank for the Enviro-Fascists (a.k.a. watermelons). These environmental program producers refuse to put up opposite data or scientists to refute the “sky is falling” claims. They are all part of the Green propaganda machine to proselytize to the under educated among us. Cap in trade will affect all industries: steel, copper, cement, rubber, recycling, paper, electronics.....ect, all that America still produces, so expect to pay more for everything! Look this up, if you care to: the 1960s, the Report from Iron Mountain “Iron Mountain: A Hoax or Betrayal?” By: Paula Demers <a href="http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/iron_mountain.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/ir...</a> to PB sf:

The Discovery, History and National Geographic Channels, are in the tank for the Enviro-Fascists (a.k.a. watermelons). These environmental program producers refuse to put up opposite data or scientists to refute the “sky is falling” claims. They are all part of the Green propaganda machine to proselytize to the under educated among us. Cap in trade will affect all industries: steel, copper, cement, rubber, recycling, paper, electronics…..ect, all that America still produces, so expect to pay more for everything!

Look this up, if you care to: the 1960s, the Report from Iron Mountain

“Iron Mountain: A Hoax or Betrayal?” By: Paula Demers
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/ir…

]]> By: Joseph Gentry, Houst http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/06/cap-and-trade-was-never-about-climate/#comment-21661 Joseph Gentry, Houst Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:01:05 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=3475#comment-21661 The idea of global warming and the purported consequences are nonsense. Government policies related to climate change are purely detrimental to the world economy, with no benefit of any kind whatsoever to society. - Global warming is not a proven scientific phenomena. Recent evidence points to global cooling. - Even if there were slight global warming, this is within the normal cycles of the earth's atmospheric change, and are of no consequence. - It is preposterous to think that we can adjust our energy mix and lifestyle to have an impact on climate change in any case. The idea of global warming and the purported consequences are nonsense. Government policies related to climate change are purely detrimental to the world economy, with no benefit of any kind whatsoever to society.

- Global warming is not a proven scientific phenomena. Recent evidence points to global cooling.

- Even if there were slight global warming, this is within the normal cycles of the earth's atmospheric change, and are of no consequence.

- It is preposterous to think that we can adjust our energy mix and lifestyle to have an impact on climate change in any case.

]]> By: ahem http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/06/cap-and-trade-was-never-about-climate/#comment-21193 ahem Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:57:55 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=3475#comment-21193 PB: 'Privately funded?' In what universe? PB: 'Privately funded?' In what universe?

]]> By: PsySciGuy - South Da http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/06/cap-and-trade-was-never-about-climate/#comment-21155 PsySciGuy - South Da Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:04:35 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/?p=3475#comment-21155 I'm waiting for the gun control shoe to drop. I'm afraid it's going to be a cheap Saturday Night Special. It's going to go off... Has anyone noticed that Home Land Security claims that the war going on in Mexico is caused by the US exporting guns to the drug dealers (And those guns are fully automatic guns that we don't actually manufacture for public sale in the US!). It's a small step for Obama to use the logic that halting the fearful Mexican chaos urgently requires ending private ownership of guns in the US. I'm waiting for the gun control shoe to drop. I'm afraid it's going to be a cheap Saturday Night Special. It's going to go off…

Has anyone noticed that Home Land Security claims that the war going on in Mexico is caused by the US exporting guns to the drug dealers (And those guns are fully automatic guns that we don't actually manufacture for public sale in the US!). It's a small step for Obama to use the logic that halting the fearful Mexican chaos urgently requires ending private ownership of guns in the US.

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