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		<title>By: Joe The Plumber Right On Socialism, Soaring Taxes On Small Businesses Under Obama &#171; Start Thinking Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe The Plumber Right On Socialism, Soaring Taxes On Small Businesses Under Obama &#171; Start Thinking Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] loans.&#8221;  And, &#8220;Government, UAW Own 89% of GM In Restructuring.&#8221;  And, &#8220;Government Power and Control: The One Trillion Dollar Takeover Of Health Care.&#8221;  And, &#8220;Obama&#8217;s cap-and-trade plan a wolf in sheep&#8217;s clothing.&#8221;  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] loans.&#8221;  And, &#8220;Government, UAW Own 89% of GM In Restructuring.&#8221;  And, &#8220;Government Power and Control: The One Trillion Dollar Takeover Of Health Care.&#8221;  And, &#8220;Obama&#8217;s cap-and-trade plan a wolf in sheep&#8217;s clothing.&#8221;  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PatriotB, Utah</title>
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		<dc:creator>PatriotB, Utah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is occurring to America, on a daily basis, is the systematic dismantling of our country, it&#039;s foundation, it&#039;s values &amp; independence. IT  
 
is being accomplished at lightning speed, without sensible debate, research, or scrutiny by all sides. It&#039;s become the mission of ONE  
 
person, to implement HIS WILL &amp; personal AGENDA upon our nation. This IS WRONG, Un-Constitutional, against all that our Fore- 
 
Fathers intended when this democratic republic was created. The President is NOT a Power unto himself - his job to protect this nation,  
 
not force his will upon it. It begs the question:  Has any elected official actually read &amp; studied our founding documents?  IF so, WHY  
 
aren&#039;t they upholding them? They have sworn, under OATH to uphold our Constitution &amp; it&#039;s principles. IF they cannot or will not - they  
 
are Traitors and deserve to be ousted - any and ALL that refuse to abide by our founding principles. That goes for ANYONE, even the one  
 
in the White House. NO one is above the law - No one.  We either ACT and MOVE to hold these traitors to the fire - or we become  
 
SLAVES to the will of others... who are propelling us rapidly toward tyrannical rule &amp; despotism. This is appalling. Those voters only concerned with WORDS got exactly that - superficial words full of promise - now the reality hits and it&#039;s worse than imagined.  Any body care? Petitions won&#039;t do a thing, our VOTE is ignored, TEA Parties are a start - but while we are Tea-Partying, our FREEDOMS are being ripped  from us, piece by piece.  All the talk will not solve anything - THEY ARE NOT LISTENING, NOR DO THEY CARE - those in Weaselton, D.C.  Until those who are selling us out, see the whites of OUR EYES, and are USHERED OUT of our Capitol - they won&#039;t take us seriously. They are enjoying the SPOILS from the fools too lazy to act against their lies and deceit. What will it take for Americans to get up and do something to take back our NATION from marauders and thieves? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is occurring to America, on a daily basis, is the systematic dismantling of our country, it&#039;s foundation, it&#039;s values &amp; independence. IT </p>
<p>is being accomplished at lightning speed, without sensible debate, research, or scrutiny by all sides. It&#039;s become the mission of ONE </p>
<p>person, to implement HIS WILL &amp; personal AGENDA upon our nation. This IS WRONG, Un-Constitutional, against all that our Fore-</p>
<p>Fathers intended when this democratic republic was created. The President is NOT a Power unto himself &#8211; his job to protect this nation, </p>
<p>not force his will upon it. It begs the question:  Has any elected official actually read &amp; studied our founding documents?  IF so, WHY </p>
<p>aren&#039;t they upholding them? They have sworn, under OATH to uphold our Constitution &amp; it&#039;s principles. IF they cannot or will not &#8211; they </p>
<p>are Traitors and deserve to be ousted &#8211; any and ALL that refuse to abide by our founding principles. That goes for ANYONE, even the one </p>
<p>in the White House. NO one is above the law &#8211; No one.  We either ACT and MOVE to hold these traitors to the fire &#8211; or we become </p>
<p>SLAVES to the will of others&#8230; who are propelling us rapidly toward tyrannical rule &amp; despotism. This is appalling. Those voters only concerned with WORDS got exactly that &#8211; superficial words full of promise &#8211; now the reality hits and it&#039;s worse than imagined.  Any body care? Petitions won&#039;t do a thing, our VOTE is ignored, TEA Parties are a start &#8211; but while we are Tea-Partying, our FREEDOMS are being ripped  from us, piece by piece.  All the talk will not solve anything &#8211; THEY ARE NOT LISTENING, NOR DO THEY CARE &#8211; those in Weaselton, D.C.  Until those who are selling us out, see the whites of OUR EYES, and are USHERED OUT of our Capitol &#8211; they won&#039;t take us seriously. They are enjoying the SPOILS from the fools too lazy to act against their lies and deceit. What will it take for Americans to get up and do something to take back our NATION from marauders and thieves?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Fresquez</title>
		<link>http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/05/government-power-and-control-the-one-trillion-dollar-takeover-of-health-care/#comment-21125</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Fresquez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is unfortunate that the American people are still in awe over the President.  I hope organizations like the Heritage Foundation can continue bringing the right stuff to our attention, that will assist the people to wake up, it&#039;s time to be counted. Someone mentioned a march on the White House, well I hope it isn&#039;t to far off.  Obama was a mistake, and like Rush Limbaugh, I hope he doesn&#039;t take to long to show he is failing, the longer he take&#039;s to show his true colors the more we hurt as a nation. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is unfortunate that the American people are still in awe over the President.  I hope organizations like the Heritage Foundation can continue bringing the right stuff to our attention, that will assist the people to wake up, it&#039;s time to be counted. Someone mentioned a march on the White House, well I hope it isn&#039;t to far off.  Obama was a mistake, and like Rush Limbaugh, I hope he doesn&#039;t take to long to show he is failing, the longer he take&#039;s to show his true colors the more we hurt as a nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn B. DeSpain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn B. DeSpain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to think this is the second part of the, &quot;Socialized Medicine.&quot; The fist part is in the, &quot;New Tax Program&quot;, where employers are no longer allowed to deduct the cost of their Malpractice insurance, as a cost of doing business! Our personal MD, a general practicioner, pays one half of her salary for this insurance.  
She will have no choice but to join the Government&#039;s Socialist Group of Practitioners. 
All along the solution has been available by limiting the amounts in Malpractice suits. We all take risks everyday just going to work and shopping and not everything negative that happens to us is a suit! It is just life, and we as Americans have forgotten that and forgotten to teach our children this. 
If you read your history of Hitler, you will see there is but little difference between Obama and him, the Greenhouse effect, Banks being taken over by the Government, businesses  taken over by the Government, roads and other civil projects created to bring down the unemployment numbers by the government, the &#039;Rich&#039; being blamed and taxed out of the country by the Government, Industry and medicine taken over by the government. 
   And it all worked well and everyone was happy untill there was no one left to tax!  
   I&#039;m an American, I live in a Republic where fifty independent Nations are drawn together under a common Charter, the Constitution! I am not nor will I ever be a Fascist nor a Socialst! If &#039;Chicken Littles&#039; want to believe in the &#039;Greenhouse&#039; effect, then let them, but do America and its Nations no harm. 
Hozro </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to think this is the second part of the, &quot;Socialized Medicine.&quot; The fist part is in the, &quot;New Tax Program&quot;, where employers are no longer allowed to deduct the cost of their Malpractice insurance, as a cost of doing business! Our personal MD, a general practicioner, pays one half of her salary for this insurance. </p>
<p>She will have no choice but to join the Government&#039;s Socialist Group of Practitioners.</p>
<p>All along the solution has been available by limiting the amounts in Malpractice suits. We all take risks everyday just going to work and shopping and not everything negative that happens to us is a suit! It is just life, and we as Americans have forgotten that and forgotten to teach our children this.</p>
<p>If you read your history of Hitler, you will see there is but little difference between Obama and him, the Greenhouse effect, Banks being taken over by the Government, businesses  taken over by the Government, roads and other civil projects created to bring down the unemployment numbers by the government, the &#039;Rich&#039; being blamed and taxed out of the country by the Government, Industry and medicine taken over by the government.</p>
<p>   And it all worked well and everyone was happy untill there was no one left to tax! </p>
<p>   I&#039;m an American, I live in a Republic where fifty independent Nations are drawn together under a common Charter, the Constitution! I am not nor will I ever be a Fascist nor a Socialst! If &#039;Chicken Littles&#039; want to believe in the &#039;Greenhouse&#039; effect, then let them, but do America and its Nations no harm.</p>
<p>Hozro</p>
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		<title>By: BT Sterling Va</title>
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		<dc:creator>BT Sterling Va</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let your congressman know you are not only upset with Obama&#039;s agenda, but there will be a march on the Capitol and the White House.   
Start by sending each congressman and senator tea bags and send the remaining box to the White House.  Maybe he will get the message. 
P.S. Enclose a small note with the phrase &quot;Remember Boston, December 16, 1773&quot; and it will not be tea this time! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let your congressman know you are not only upset with Obama&#039;s agenda, but there will be a march on the Capitol and the White House.  </p>
<p>Start by sending each congressman and senator tea bags and send the remaining box to the White House.  Maybe he will get the message.</p>
<p>P.S. Enclose a small note with the phrase &quot;Remember Boston, December 16, 1773&quot; and it will not be tea this time!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Rapkoch, Billin</title>
		<link>http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/05/government-power-and-control-the-one-trillion-dollar-takeover-of-health-care/#comment-20987</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Rapkoch, Billin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Montana. Our senior senator is Max Baucus, Chairman of the Budget Committee. Baucus is an ardent supporter of nationalizing healthcare. Worse, the senator is laying the foundation for socialism by preparing legislation to tax as regular income the currently pre-tax dollars spent by employers on employee health insurance. The senator&#039;s position became public over the weekend although he claims it is just something he is considering and not a position upon which he has made up his mind. Frankly, given Baucus&#039;s record his protestations that this is all merely theoretical can safely be assumed to be a flat out lie. This conclusion is based on his unabashed socialist and nihilistic philosophy. Let me explain. 
 
First, Baucus&#039;s desire for power is much like an alcoholics &quot;thirst.&quot; It can never be satisfied.  
 
Secondly, the very concept of taxing employer paid premiums is the reverse of the left&#039;s claim to wish to create incentives for a larger number of employers to provide health insurance. Subjecting the premium to income taxation would drive up the cost to employers, whose obligation to pay .5% of social security, when coupled with the need to increase salaries to compensate for the rise in employee tax, and adding to the accounting expenses of employers, would be an obvious and INTENTIONAL disincentive for employers. 
 
But lastly, that is the whole point. If the national government were to discourage employer paid health insurance fewer employees would be covered thus affording the left a potent, though sophistical, argument for socialized medicine. 
 
But it is more than fiscal control of healthcare the left desires--the real goal is to grab power over each person right down to the ultimate wish--government control over who will live and who will die. I used the term &quot;nihilist&quot; above purposely. The true hope for the left, the true philosophy of the left, is not &quot;liberal,&quot; a meaningless term anyway. Liberalism is a deceptive device to hide the nihilism that is the true core of the socialist political anti-philosophy. This has been thoroughly proven by Seraphim Rose&#039;s monumental essay on nihilism.  
 
Since, for the nihilist, there is neither God nor Good the only meaning in life is to acquire for oneself the power once recognized as belonging to God. The power to kill, legally recognized, is the ultimate power. As this administration moves stealthfully but steadily toward irreversible legislation to expand power over life (PLEASE, for the sake of Truth, acquaint youself with the &quot;Freedom of Choice Act,&quot; provisions in the stimulus bill for federal acquisition of healthcare information, and ongoing efforts to further physician assisted murder) the nihilist dream is but a step away from reality.   
 
We who see the government as a servant, not a master, and who, regardless of religious views believe in the sanctity of life (and there are many atheists who share that position), must not merely know the Truth, we must declare it from the very hilltop. Exposing the core of the nihilists&#039; designs will anihilate nihilism--for Truth is our greatest weapon and the greatest fear of the Baucuses of our world. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Montana. Our senior senator is Max Baucus, Chairman of the Budget Committee. Baucus is an ardent supporter of nationalizing healthcare. Worse, the senator is laying the foundation for socialism by preparing legislation to tax as regular income the currently pre-tax dollars spent by employers on employee health insurance. The senator&#039;s position became public over the weekend although he claims it is just something he is considering and not a position upon which he has made up his mind. Frankly, given Baucus&#039;s record his protestations that this is all merely theoretical can safely be assumed to be a flat out lie. This conclusion is based on his unabashed socialist and nihilistic philosophy. Let me explain.</p>
<p>First, Baucus&#039;s desire for power is much like an alcoholics &quot;thirst.&quot; It can never be satisfied. </p>
<p>Secondly, the very concept of taxing employer paid premiums is the reverse of the left&#039;s claim to wish to create incentives for a larger number of employers to provide health insurance. Subjecting the premium to income taxation would drive up the cost to employers, whose obligation to pay .5% of social security, when coupled with the need to increase salaries to compensate for the rise in employee tax, and adding to the accounting expenses of employers, would be an obvious and INTENTIONAL disincentive for employers.</p>
<p>But lastly, that is the whole point. If the national government were to discourage employer paid health insurance fewer employees would be covered thus affording the left a potent, though sophistical, argument for socialized medicine.</p>
<p>But it is more than fiscal control of healthcare the left desires&#8211;the real goal is to grab power over each person right down to the ultimate wish&#8211;government control over who will live and who will die. I used the term &quot;nihilist&quot; above purposely. The true hope for the left, the true philosophy of the left, is not &quot;liberal,&quot; a meaningless term anyway. Liberalism is a deceptive device to hide the nihilism that is the true core of the socialist political anti-philosophy. This has been thoroughly proven by Seraphim Rose&#039;s monumental essay on nihilism. </p>
<p>Since, for the nihilist, there is neither God nor Good the only meaning in life is to acquire for oneself the power once recognized as belonging to God. The power to kill, legally recognized, is the ultimate power. As this administration moves stealthfully but steadily toward irreversible legislation to expand power over life (PLEASE, for the sake of Truth, acquaint youself with the &quot;Freedom of Choice Act,&quot; provisions in the stimulus bill for federal acquisition of healthcare information, and ongoing efforts to further physician assisted murder) the nihilist dream is but a step away from reality.  </p>
<p>We who see the government as a servant, not a master, and who, regardless of religious views believe in the sanctity of life (and there are many atheists who share that position), must not merely know the Truth, we must declare it from the very hilltop. Exposing the core of the nihilists&#039; designs will anihilate nihilism&#8211;for Truth is our greatest weapon and the greatest fear of the Baucuses of our world.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad S,, Detroit, MI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad S,, Detroit, MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few talking points that are easy to use in just about any situation. 
 
1.  What program has our government established that has run efficiently ? 
2.  Name one instance of a government-run program or company taken over by the government that has not been wasteful ? 
3.  Why do you think that it would be any different for our Health Care ? 
4.  If we know now that Health Care will be more expensive and less efficient (by tenets #1 thru 3) if run by the government,  how does that benefit your family ?  When you child is extremely sick ? 
This, of course, assumes that the people you are talking to have jobs . . .  
 
I appreciate those on the &quot;inside&quot; providing their insight to the rest of us that know that abuses of our current Medicare and Medicaid occur, but can&#039;t site any anectodal evidence. 
 
Just keep spreading the word - 
&quot;Socialism only works for those who don&#039;t want to (work).&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few talking points that are easy to use in just about any situation.</p>
<p>1.  What program has our government established that has run efficiently ?</p>
<p>2.  Name one instance of a government-run program or company taken over by the government that has not been wasteful ?</p>
<p>3.  Why do you think that it would be any different for our Health Care ?</p>
<p>4.  If we know now that Health Care will be more expensive and less efficient (by tenets #1 thru 3) if run by the government,  how does that benefit your family ?  When you child is extremely sick ?</p>
<p>This, of course, assumes that the people you are talking to have jobs . . . </p>
<p>I appreciate those on the &quot;inside&quot; providing their insight to the rest of us that know that abuses of our current Medicare and Medicaid occur, but can&#039;t site any anectodal evidence.</p>
<p>Just keep spreading the word -</p>
<p>&quot;Socialism only works for those who don&#039;t want to (work).&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis A. Social Cir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis A. Social Cir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 11:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope we all learn how to live in a socialist government, it is the way of the future. May GOD have mercy on this country and our souls. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope we all learn how to live in a socialist government, it is the way of the future. May GOD have mercy on this country and our souls.</p>
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		<title>By: Nelia, Fountain Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nelia, Fountain Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no logical explanation for the actions of President Obama.  He has an agenda that defies common sense because this is his opportunity to be the big kahuna, and to change our form of government by creating more chaos rather than find real solutions.  Better he did nothing than turn the USA into a socialistic nation with extreme government control.  I fear for my children and grandchildren. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no logical explanation for the actions of President Obama.  He has an agenda that defies common sense because this is his opportunity to be the big kahuna, and to change our form of government by creating more chaos rather than find real solutions.  Better he did nothing than turn the USA into a socialistic nation with extreme government control.  I fear for my children and grandchildren.</p>
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		<title>By: Engineer, Mississipp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Engineer, Mississipp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 11:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one would suggest that nothing should be done  about health care; however, the problem should not be made even worse by adopting single payer health care programs like Canada, France, or England.  In those countries quality has gone down (as evidenced by those people trying to come America for treatment) and there is no guarantee very single person will have their needs met (they have health care rationing) and income taxes have been raised to 70 percent to pay for coverage. 
 
I would submit that most of the rising costs are for tests that the doctor has to perform to cover themselves from a malpractice lawsuit and the use of emergency rooms for minor medical problems which currently is a huge cost burden.  
  
If you went to the doctor in the 1950s with a headache, more than likely he would give you some aspirin and send you home. Today, they would order an MRI at a cost of $1,000 to protect themselves on the outside chance (1%) that the patient may have a brain tumor. 
  
To make this system even more successful what needs to be done is remove the burdensome physician oversight from nonprofessionals which is nothing more than overhead from health care providers such as Blue Cross/Blue Shield and allow them only to manage the office (e.g., making appointments, entering data into computer, billing, etc.).  Health care should be kept at the local level. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one would suggest that nothing should be done  about health care; however, the problem should not be made even worse by adopting single payer health care programs like Canada, France, or England.  In those countries quality has gone down (as evidenced by those people trying to come America for treatment) and there is no guarantee very single person will have their needs met (they have health care rationing) and income taxes have been raised to 70 percent to pay for coverage.</p>
<p>I would submit that most of the rising costs are for tests that the doctor has to perform to cover themselves from a malpractice lawsuit and the use of emergency rooms for minor medical problems which currently is a huge cost burden. </p>
<p>If you went to the doctor in the 1950s with a headache, more than likely he would give you some aspirin and send you home. Today, they would order an MRI at a cost of $1,000 to protect themselves on the outside chance (1%) that the patient may have a brain tumor.</p>
<p>To make this system even more successful what needs to be done is remove the burdensome physician oversight from nonprofessionals which is nothing more than overhead from health care providers such as Blue Cross/Blue Shield and allow them only to manage the office (e.g., making appointments, entering data into computer, billing, etc.).  Health care should be kept at the local level.</p>
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