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		<title>By: Zach, CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach, CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Dave from CO 
 
We actually do have a pretty good big picture of the Earth&#039;s temperature, and some decent ideas about its climate.  Just because no one was studying climate before modern science doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s impossible to know what the climate was like hundreds, thousands, even millions of years ago. 
 
This chart is a good place to start when thinking about global temperature records:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Tempera...&lt;/a&gt;  
 
A much more technical analysis can be found here:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://sheba.geo.vu.nl/users/peef/teaching/orbital_forcing/assets/Lisiecki_Raymo_2005_Pal.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://sheba.geo.vu.nl/users/peef/teaching/orbita...&lt;/a&gt;  
 
To be honest, I don&#039;t understand most of this paper, but the gist of it is that they&#039;ve constructed a temperature record going back 750,000 years, and make a pretty compelling argument that their record is good. 
 
Again-- anyone who feels strongly on the issue of global warming should absolutely go do a little scientific research. Its amazing how much your understanding of this issue can improve with a little time looking at the instrument and geologic temperature records. 
 
The scientists say there&#039;s overwhelming evidence of anthropogenic global warming, but there&#039;s absolutely no harm in going back and checking their work.  Read some papers and look at some charts.  If you feel ambitious, try a little number crunching on your own! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Dave from CO</p>
<p>We actually do have a pretty good big picture of the Earth&#039;s temperature, and some decent ideas about its climate.  Just because no one was studying climate before modern science doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s impossible to know what the climate was like hundreds, thousands, even millions of years ago.</p>
<p>This chart is a good place to start when thinking about global temperature records:<br />
  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Tempera&#8230;</a>  </p>
<p>A much more technical analysis can be found here:<br />
  <a href="http://sheba.geo.vu.nl/users/peef/teaching/orbital_forcing/assets/Lisiecki_Raymo_2005_Pal.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://sheba.geo.vu.nl/users/peef/teaching/orbita&#8230;</a>  </p>
<p>To be honest, I don&#039;t understand most of this paper, but the gist of it is that they&#039;ve constructed a temperature record going back 750,000 years, and make a pretty compelling argument that their record is good.</p>
<p>Again&#8211; anyone who feels strongly on the issue of global warming should absolutely go do a little scientific research. Its amazing how much your understanding of this issue can improve with a little time looking at the instrument and geologic temperature records.</p>
<p>The scientists say there&#039;s overwhelming evidence of anthropogenic global warming, but there&#039;s absolutely no harm in going back and checking their work.  Read some papers and look at some charts.  If you feel ambitious, try a little number crunching on your own!</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Gray, South C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Gray, South C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To C3H, 
 
Yours, is one of the better explanations of how useless and wasteful of resources the plan to alter the weather is, 
 
none of these groups receiving all this grant money have been able to predict the future weather but I will say this, any extreme occurence of nature is immediately touted as being caused by greenhouse gasses. 
 
from hot days to hurricanes it&#039;s sickening. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To C3H,</p>
<p>Yours, is one of the better explanations of how useless and wasteful of resources the plan to alter the weather is,</p>
<p>none of these groups receiving all this grant money have been able to predict the future weather but I will say this, any extreme occurence of nature is immediately touted as being caused by greenhouse gasses.</p>
<p>from hot days to hurricanes it&#039;s sickening.</p>
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		<title>By: C3H_Editor</title>
		<link>http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/03/trillions-in-new-taxes-to-accomplish-nothing/#comment-20402</link>
		<dc:creator>C3H_Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The climate models, and present climate science, have proven to be totally wrong and ineffective to base important national policy decisions on. 
 
If that does not sound reasonable, read the additional information about the failures and inadequacies of climate models that can be found here: 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.c3headlines.com/climate-models/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.c3headlines.com/climate-models/&lt;/a&gt;  
 
More importantly, all of us need to recognize and accept that humans are incapable of changing global climate. Humans, and nature&#039;s plant and animal species, are capable of adapting, though. Thus, spending resources wisely to adapt to climate change is a cost efficient means to coping with future climate change. 
 
If one thinks mankind can modify incredibly complex global climate outcomes, then one most also believe that man is capable of stopping a single summer&#039;s thunderstorm. The latter will never be possible; how then can the former be even remotely possible? Spending trillions, literally, in attempt to change or stop the climate is an immoral waste beyond comprehension and it&#039;s important to accept this now - this is indeed settled science. 
 
C3H Editor, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.c3headlines.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.c3headlines.com&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The climate models, and present climate science, have proven to be totally wrong and ineffective to base important national policy decisions on.</p>
<p>If that does not sound reasonable, read the additional information about the failures and inadequacies of climate models that can be found here:</p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.c3headlines.com/climate-models/" rel="nofollow">http://www.c3headlines.com/climate-models/</a> </p>
<p>More importantly, all of us need to recognize and accept that humans are incapable of changing global climate. Humans, and nature&#039;s plant and animal species, are capable of adapting, though. Thus, spending resources wisely to adapt to climate change is a cost efficient means to coping with future climate change.</p>
<p>If one thinks mankind can modify incredibly complex global climate outcomes, then one most also believe that man is capable of stopping a single summer&#039;s thunderstorm. The latter will never be possible; how then can the former be even remotely possible? Spending trillions, literally, in attempt to change or stop the climate is an immoral waste beyond comprehension and it&#039;s important to accept this now &#8211; this is indeed settled science.</p>
<p>C3H Editor, <a href="http://www.c3headlines.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.c3headlines.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Checking George Will: The Perils of Time Travel &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/03/trillions-in-new-taxes-to-accomplish-nothing/#comment-20303</link>
		<dc:creator>Checking George Will: The Perils of Time Travel &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The conservative Heritage Foundation quoted from the Discovery.com piece with the headline, &#8220;Trillions in New Taxes to Accomplish Nothing.&#8221; A lot of the coverage describes the study as showing that global warming stopped in 2001, as Trey [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The conservative Heritage Foundation quoted from the Discovery.com piece with the headline, &#8220;Trillions in New Taxes to Accomplish Nothing.&#8221; A lot of the coverage describes the study as showing that global warming stopped in 2001, as Trey [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave,Colorado</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave,Colorado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 01:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How long have accurate global weather patterns been studied? What, maybe 20-30 years, tops? How old is the earth? Seems to me that we need a few million more years of scientific study to really determine if this whole warming thing has any merit. Was anybody in the 1800s studying weather patterns, temperature ranges, greenhouse gas emmissions, ice cap melting, etc? This is all new observations of a very old earth. Climate change has been going on and will continue to change whether we are here or not. Get the big picture. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How long have accurate global weather patterns been studied? What, maybe 20-30 years, tops? How old is the earth? Seems to me that we need a few million more years of scientific study to really determine if this whole warming thing has any merit. Was anybody in the 1800s studying weather patterns, temperature ranges, greenhouse gas emmissions, ice cap melting, etc? This is all new observations of a very old earth. Climate change has been going on and will continue to change whether we are here or not. Get the big picture.</p>
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		<title>By: ra,ohio</title>
		<link>http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/03/trillions-in-new-taxes-to-accomplish-nothing/#comment-20109</link>
		<dc:creator>ra,ohio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is Greenland called Greenland? The Vikings named it that when THEY FARMED IT! 
Several years ago a team found airplanes from WW2 that crashed landed on Greenland. They were buried under snow and ice. 
 
The climate is controlled by the cycles of the sun. 
Mars is warming,...there&#039;s got to be a factory there somewhere. 
 
This is a money grab, and the biggest HOAX ever perpetrated on mankind ever. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is Greenland called Greenland? The Vikings named it that when THEY FARMED IT!</p>
<p>Several years ago a team found airplanes from WW2 that crashed landed on Greenland. They were buried under snow and ice.</p>
<p>The climate is controlled by the cycles of the sun.</p>
<p>Mars is warming,&#8230;there&#039;s got to be a factory there somewhere.</p>
<p>This is a money grab, and the biggest HOAX ever perpetrated on mankind ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Franklin&#039;s Lock</title>
		<link>http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/03/trillions-in-new-taxes-to-accomplish-nothing/#comment-20100</link>
		<dc:creator>Franklin&#039;s Lock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man-made global climate change agenda has nothing to do with saving the environment. Case in point is the new carbon taxes. Common sense shows the CO2 is not a pollutant. It is plant food. Taxing this part of our air is just a way to get more money for the government. It is wealth redistribution from corporations, businesses, and the wealthy to the poor and unemployed. 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://franklinslocke.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://franklinslocke.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man-made global climate change agenda has nothing to do with saving the environment. Case in point is the new carbon taxes. Common sense shows the CO2 is not a pollutant. It is plant food. Taxing this part of our air is just a way to get more money for the government. It is wealth redistribution from corporations, businesses, and the wealthy to the poor and unemployed.</p>
<p>  <a href="http://franklinslocke.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://franklinslocke.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: BadWolf, New Hope, P</title>
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		<dc:creator>BadWolf, New Hope, P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you read a bit more of Swanson&#039;s paper, you would see that he is talking about just a temporary hiccup in what he acknowledges is rapid global warming. He goes on in his paper to say that, despite the &quot;hiccup&quot; you are celebrating, &quot;human&#039;s penchant for spewing greenhouse gases will certainly come back to haunt us.&quot;  
 
This just shows how cherry-picking of a statement out of context can be used to &quot;prove&quot; the opposite of what is really being said.   Swanson also said in his paper that was the origin of the Discovery News article: 
 
&quot;When the climate kicks back out of this state, we&#039;ll have explosive warming.  Thirty years of greenhouse gas radiative forcing will still be there and then bang, the warming will return and be very aggressive.&quot; 
 
So, even though Swanson believes we may have decades in which the warming doesn&#039;t show statistically because of what he sees as atmospheric anomalies, all during these decades, greenhouse gases will still be pouring into the atmosphere, like banking money for later use, and will still have the effects predicted by virtually all climatologists, only it will all catch up with us at once.   
 
So, it is still just as important to stop putting these gases into the atmosphere - if not for our own wellbeing, then for the wellbeing of our children three decades hence when all three decades worth of greenhouse gases hit them at once. 
 
BTW, in a response to Swanson&#039;s hypothesis - which is all it is right now - Dr. Isaac Held of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in Princeton, NJ, has written Discovery News to dispute Swanson&#039;s 30 year prediction.  He says that based on studies done from 1970 to today, which do show minor periodic fluctuations, &quot;the warming might possibly slow down or even stagnate for a few years before rapid warming commences again.&quot; 
 
It seems that the intellectual Conservatism I remember from my youth has turned into the worship of an extremist ideology that is more interested in bending the facts to fit the ideology than to forming an ideology that accounts for the known facts. 
 
The reason the Republican Party is currently self-destructing is that whenever their &quot;map&quot; differs from the actual &quot;terrain&quot; they blindly and faithfully continue to follow the map.  And they have finally followed it right off of a cliff. 
 
It will be interesting to see if this comment isn&#039;t purged because it doesn&#039;t follow the &quot;map.&quot;  Do you have the intellectual honesty to print a differing view? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read a bit more of Swanson&#039;s paper, you would see that he is talking about just a temporary hiccup in what he acknowledges is rapid global warming. He goes on in his paper to say that, despite the &quot;hiccup&quot; you are celebrating, &quot;human&#039;s penchant for spewing greenhouse gases will certainly come back to haunt us.&quot; </p>
<p>This just shows how cherry-picking of a statement out of context can be used to &quot;prove&quot; the opposite of what is really being said.   Swanson also said in his paper that was the origin of the Discovery News article:</p>
<p>&quot;When the climate kicks back out of this state, we&#039;ll have explosive warming.  Thirty years of greenhouse gas radiative forcing will still be there and then bang, the warming will return and be very aggressive.&quot;</p>
<p>So, even though Swanson believes we may have decades in which the warming doesn&#039;t show statistically because of what he sees as atmospheric anomalies, all during these decades, greenhouse gases will still be pouring into the atmosphere, like banking money for later use, and will still have the effects predicted by virtually all climatologists, only it will all catch up with us at once.  </p>
<p>So, it is still just as important to stop putting these gases into the atmosphere &#8211; if not for our own wellbeing, then for the wellbeing of our children three decades hence when all three decades worth of greenhouse gases hit them at once.</p>
<p>BTW, in a response to Swanson&#039;s hypothesis &#8211; which is all it is right now &#8211; Dr. Isaac Held of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in Princeton, NJ, has written Discovery News to dispute Swanson&#039;s 30 year prediction.  He says that based on studies done from 1970 to today, which do show minor periodic fluctuations, &quot;the warming might possibly slow down or even stagnate for a few years before rapid warming commences again.&quot;</p>
<p>It seems that the intellectual Conservatism I remember from my youth has turned into the worship of an extremist ideology that is more interested in bending the facts to fit the ideology than to forming an ideology that accounts for the known facts.</p>
<p>The reason the Republican Party is currently self-destructing is that whenever their &quot;map&quot; differs from the actual &quot;terrain&quot; they blindly and faithfully continue to follow the map.  And they have finally followed it right off of a cliff.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see if this comment isn&#039;t purged because it doesn&#039;t follow the &quot;map.&quot;  Do you have the intellectual honesty to print a differing view?</p>
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		<title>By: Ozzy6900, CT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ozzy6900, CT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole Global Warming Theory is simply a feeble attempt for Man to control Nature. Only the intelligent understand that Man&#039;s logic means nothing to Nature. The Earth runs on her own schedule and set of laws. It is up to Man to figure out how to live within these laws and not to try and change them.  
 
Also, the political side of Global Warming is simply another way to tax the use of Natural Resources. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole Global Warming Theory is simply a feeble attempt for Man to control Nature. Only the intelligent understand that Man&#039;s logic means nothing to Nature. The Earth runs on her own schedule and set of laws. It is up to Man to figure out how to live within these laws and not to try and change them. </p>
<p>Also, the political side of Global Warming is simply another way to tax the use of Natural Resources.</p>
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		<title>By: J.C. Hughes, Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.C. Hughes, Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The slight majority that handed the keys of the nation&#039;s government to the Demagogic Party are of the same mindset as their Soviet cousins. This leftist majority are sheep that need a chosen one to direct their lives. Unfortunately, sheep have a way of being subjugated and/or slaughtered. Their Looney Tunes upbringing is a fantasy land that offers no protection. Until it becomes personal within their smug lives, they&#039;ll just never get it! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The slight majority that handed the keys of the nation&#039;s government to the Demagogic Party are of the same mindset as their Soviet cousins. This leftist majority are sheep that need a chosen one to direct their lives. Unfortunately, sheep have a way of being subjugated and/or slaughtered. Their Looney Tunes upbringing is a fantasy land that offers no protection. Until it becomes personal within their smug lives, they&#039;ll just never get it!</p>
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