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	<title>Comments on: There&#8217;s Socialized Medicine Buried in Obama&#8217;s Trillion Dollar Debt Plan</title>
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		<title>By: julie/Medford Oregon</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie/Medford Oregon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please help Americans to achive getting socialized Medicine. PLEASE 
 
 
                      Thank You for all            your                  Help  
                  Julie </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please help Americans to achive getting socialized Medicine. PLEASE</p>
<p>                      Thank You for all            your                  Help </p>
<p>                  Julie</p>
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		<title>By: Dez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am grateful that Obama wants to reform the US system because its a joke.  Even with employee health care my wife had to jump through hoops and bureaucracy to get something as simple as a hearing test paid for out of our health provider, everything needs to be pre-approved and put in category x or y just to get an appointment at the doctor for our autistic son. 
 
Bring on socialized health care, it cant be worse than the system we have. 
 
My wife has just been accepted to a 3 year nursing school which hopefully we will get loans for if the credit market is still there, because she wants to help mothers who who have autistic kids and miss the signs because its just to difficult to go to the doctors in this messed up system, you spend more time with the administrative staff than you do seeing a Dr or Nurse...is that really medicine! 
 
Also reform the education system so it doesnt cost $90K - $200K to train a Dr or a Nurse, when it costs that much only the wealthy or insane(my family) can afford to go into medicine.  I like Obamas plan to let people pay off their loans by working in high need areas, hopefully that can help us out.... 
 
Because I will have to quit my job in 2 months just for my wife to go to nursing school in another state, and that ain&#039;t looking too pretty with 2 kids and no job lined up (Ive been trying but who hires an out of state employee in a recession!). 
For those who think I have a choice, try applying for nursing school my wife was rejected from some of her less expensive, closer, first choice schools...and has spent 3 years doing the pre-requisits needed just to apply, it would take her another 12-18 months just to reapply to another school and she may not get in... its like the system is stacked up so that only the wealthy or upper middle class can become Drs or Nurses! 
 
Anyway the whole thing needs reforming, nursing school, med school... and the whole medical system. 
 
Bring on socialized medicine. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am grateful that Obama wants to reform the US system because its a joke.  Even with employee health care my wife had to jump through hoops and bureaucracy to get something as simple as a hearing test paid for out of our health provider, everything needs to be pre-approved and put in category x or y just to get an appointment at the doctor for our autistic son.</p>
<p>Bring on socialized health care, it cant be worse than the system we have.</p>
<p>My wife has just been accepted to a 3 year nursing school which hopefully we will get loans for if the credit market is still there, because she wants to help mothers who who have autistic kids and miss the signs because its just to difficult to go to the doctors in this messed up system, you spend more time with the administrative staff than you do seeing a Dr or Nurse&#8230;is that really medicine!</p>
<p>Also reform the education system so it doesnt cost $90K &#8211; $200K to train a Dr or a Nurse, when it costs that much only the wealthy or insane(my family) can afford to go into medicine.  I like Obamas plan to let people pay off their loans by working in high need areas, hopefully that can help us out&#8230;.</p>
<p>Because I will have to quit my job in 2 months just for my wife to go to nursing school in another state, and that ain&#039;t looking too pretty with 2 kids and no job lined up (Ive been trying but who hires an out of state employee in a recession!).</p>
<p>For those who think I have a choice, try applying for nursing school my wife was rejected from some of her less expensive, closer, first choice schools&#8230;and has spent 3 years doing the pre-requisits needed just to apply, it would take her another 12-18 months just to reapply to another school and she may not get in&#8230; its like the system is stacked up so that only the wealthy or upper middle class can become Drs or Nurses!</p>
<p>Anyway the whole thing needs reforming, nursing school, med school&#8230; and the whole medical system.</p>
<p>Bring on socialized medicine.</p>
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		<title>By: John, Tampa</title>
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		<dc:creator>John, Tampa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God sent his only beggotten Son Jesus to show us how to live.  Jesus did not charge money to heal the sick.  Jesus healed the poor and wealthy alike regardless of the ability to pay.  If you are against providing health care to people regardless of the ability to pay, you are against the example of Jesus. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God sent his only beggotten Son Jesus to show us how to live.  Jesus did not charge money to heal the sick.  Jesus healed the poor and wealthy alike regardless of the ability to pay.  If you are against providing health care to people regardless of the ability to pay, you are against the example of Jesus.</p>
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		<title>By: John, North Carolina</title>
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		<dc:creator>John, North Carolina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 06:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an American who has lived in countries where there has been universal health care, and it has worked just fine for me, and that includes being treated for cancer (I&#039;m approaching five years cancer free).  Now, I&#039;m back in the US, and luckily I have health insurance through my employer, but I have a lot of sympathy for the people here who can&#039;t afford it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m an American who has lived in countries where there has been universal health care, and it has worked just fine for me, and that includes being treated for cancer (I&#039;m approaching five years cancer free).  Now, I&#039;m back in the US, and luckily I have health insurance through my employer, but I have a lot of sympathy for the people here who can&#039;t afford it.</p>
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		<title>By: rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Socialized medicine works great if you want low wages for health care professionals. W e, in  AMERICA are laughing at you  because you are content with so little. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Socialized medicine works great if you want low wages for health care professionals. W e, in  AMERICA are laughing at you  because you are content with so little.</p>
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		<title>By: Noel CT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noel CT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you all afraid of. Weak, uneducated Americans, all of you !!! The Socialised Medical system works in every Country that has it you ignorant fools. Americans are getting more stupid as time goes by. It&#039;s no wonder the rest of the World just laughing their heads off at you!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you all afraid of. Weak, uneducated Americans, all of you !!! The Socialised Medical system works in every Country that has it you ignorant fools. Americans are getting more stupid as time goes by. It&#8217;s no wonder the rest of the World just laughing their heads off at you!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki, California</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicki, California</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea how to fix the system without top people having to take a pay cut, no more big bonuses for CEOs and doctors making a decent wage.  They&#039;re screaming no socialized system because they know what it entails.  They scare the American people with it thinking we&#039;re going to be a communist country.  I have lived in a foreign country with a socialized medical system and it was nice not being afraid of going to the doctor and getting treated without having a large medical bill.  Right now WITH INSURANCE, I have several large medical bills right now that I have no idea how I&#039;m gonna pay when I&#039;m already struggling to make ends meet now.  I can&#039;t get supplemental life insurance because I was treated for &quot;depression&quot; in the past.  I can&#039;t get medical insurance outside of my employer because my daughter has asthma and it&#039;s considered a pre-existing condition.   
 
Make it a socialized system, yes.  First off, get rid of all these profit-making insurance companies and make it one universal care.  Retire all these old ass CEOs give them some money to shut them up and let&#039;s start from the ground up.  I wanna feel proud to be American again because right now I don&#039;t.  Because to the American government, I&#039;m nothing more than an expendable human, someone who pays taxes to make them rich, but one of the first people they&#039;d kill if it can save their company money.  I feel jealous of other countries and I&#039;m seriously considering going back there. 
 
I have so many bills right now that I may as well be locked up doing time.  All because I came down sick with a malady I didn&#039;t foresee.  That for as much healthy food you eat or exercise you do, you can still get sick and if you&#039;re a middle class wage earner with insurance, you can still wind up with bills you can&#039;t afford. 
 
It isn&#039;t just for me.  My co-worker is in the hospital battling cancer that has spread all over her body.  They probably could have caught it earlier, but the doctor who treated her melanoma years before didn&#039;t bother to keep monitoring her, probably to save money.  In April she&#039;ll lose her job and her health insurance.  I called Medicare - she can&#039;t get it until the 25th month after she&#039;s been accepted by social security.  She can&#039;t get Medi-Cal because she&#039;s under 65 and doesn&#039;t have children under 18.  Outside of a few hospitals that offer aid to uninsured individuals, I doubt they will treat her for her cancer.  So basically, she&#039;s screwed and she&#039;ll most likely die, not even having enough money for her care. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea how to fix the system without top people having to take a pay cut, no more big bonuses for CEOs and doctors making a decent wage.  They&#039;re screaming no socialized system because they know what it entails.  They scare the American people with it thinking we&#039;re going to be a communist country.  I have lived in a foreign country with a socialized medical system and it was nice not being afraid of going to the doctor and getting treated without having a large medical bill.  Right now WITH INSURANCE, I have several large medical bills right now that I have no idea how I&#039;m gonna pay when I&#039;m already struggling to make ends meet now.  I can&#039;t get supplemental life insurance because I was treated for &quot;depression&quot; in the past.  I can&#039;t get medical insurance outside of my employer because my daughter has asthma and it&#039;s considered a pre-existing condition.  </p>
<p>Make it a socialized system, yes.  First off, get rid of all these profit-making insurance companies and make it one universal care.  Retire all these old ass CEOs give them some money to shut them up and let&#039;s start from the ground up.  I wanna feel proud to be American again because right now I don&#039;t.  Because to the American government, I&#039;m nothing more than an expendable human, someone who pays taxes to make them rich, but one of the first people they&#039;d kill if it can save their company money.  I feel jealous of other countries and I&#039;m seriously considering going back there.</p>
<p>I have so many bills right now that I may as well be locked up doing time.  All because I came down sick with a malady I didn&#039;t foresee.  That for as much healthy food you eat or exercise you do, you can still get sick and if you&#039;re a middle class wage earner with insurance, you can still wind up with bills you can&#039;t afford.</p>
<p>It isn&#039;t just for me.  My co-worker is in the hospital battling cancer that has spread all over her body.  They probably could have caught it earlier, but the doctor who treated her melanoma years before didn&#039;t bother to keep monitoring her, probably to save money.  In April she&#039;ll lose her job and her health insurance.  I called Medicare &#8211; she can&#039;t get it until the 25th month after she&#039;s been accepted by social security.  She can&#039;t get Medi-Cal because she&#039;s under 65 and doesn&#039;t have children under 18.  Outside of a few hospitals that offer aid to uninsured individuals, I doubt they will treat her for her cancer.  So basically, she&#039;s screwed and she&#039;ll most likely die, not even having enough money for her care.</p>
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		<title>By: David, Seattle Washi</title>
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		<dc:creator>David, Seattle Washi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I am all for universal health care or if you like socialized medicine. I have full health care through my employer and it is garbage for the price that I pay. My health care premium for my wife and myself is the second largest check we pay every month. It is a rip-off. I do not want the best health care in the world as some people like to think. I just want it to be affordable for me and my wife. 
  
I love the fact that President Obama is driving you Republicans crazy, I love it. President Bush, was driving us Dems crazy now you folks can share the pain. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I am all for universal health care or if you like socialized medicine. I have full health care through my employer and it is garbage for the price that I pay. My health care premium for my wife and myself is the second largest check we pay every month. It is a rip-off. I do not want the best health care in the world as some people like to think. I just want it to be affordable for me and my wife.</p>
<p>I love the fact that President Obama is driving you Republicans crazy, I love it. President Bush, was driving us Dems crazy now you folks can share the pain.</p>
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		<title>By: RedActor</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedActor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 06:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although this is not a discussion forum, I hope that the Moderator will bear with us... Thank you Steve Bond for this broad view. Getting some of my pension from Uncle Sam, I know enough of the inner workings of the USA public spending to agree that your resoning makes sense. History, deep rooted traditions play a great role in all countries and a National Health provider would be difficult to fit in. Some would say impossible. The HMOs however, give an indication of at least one attempt at narrowing the gap between the dream of health care on equal terms for all and market medicine. The European liberal tradition focuses its critizism of the American health care on issues of preferrences. A nation that is richiest on earth, having an astronomical defence budget (including the Israeli) and aspiring to send people to Mars will not let some of these oceans of money trickle down to provide health care for the poorest of its own people, but prefers to use them to smashing and bullying displeasing third world countries. That looks with Swedish eyes like a strange ranking of needs. Mind you, I try not to be rude, but Swedes simply have a hard time understanding such preferrencial choices. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although this is not a discussion forum, I hope that the Moderator will bear with us&#8230; Thank you Steve Bond for this broad view. Getting some of my pension from Uncle Sam, I know enough of the inner workings of the USA public spending to agree that your resoning makes sense. History, deep rooted traditions play a great role in all countries and a National Health provider would be difficult to fit in. Some would say impossible. The HMOs however, give an indication of at least one attempt at narrowing the gap between the dream of health care on equal terms for all and market medicine. The European liberal tradition focuses its critizism of the American health care on issues of preferrences. A nation that is richiest on earth, having an astronomical defence budget (including the Israeli) and aspiring to send people to Mars will not let some of these oceans of money trickle down to provide health care for the poorest of its own people, but prefers to use them to smashing and bullying displeasing third world countries. That looks with Swedish eyes like a strange ranking of needs. Mind you, I try not to be rude, but Swedes simply have a hard time understanding such preferrencial choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Bond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Bond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Socialized medicine in the USA will not work for many reasons.  First is the onerous tax that will be extracted from our paychecks.  Second, our population is much larger than Sweden&#039;s and Americans are used to getting what they pay for.  This will change human behavior.  Whereas, more and more people will want to see a doctor because they will feel entitled to it.  This will create a viscious cycle of provider use and government expense.  More and more freedom limiting taxes will be required to fund this change of behavior. 
 
Then come the politicians....to set price controls....tell the physicians and hospitals what they can charge.  To compensate, the hospitals will reduce services and staff, and this will cause rationed care.....waiting lines...as it does in Great Britain, France, Canada and other populous countries.  Then Government bureaucrats will start to tell the public they have to cut services so as not to raise taxes......and what should be covered....all reducing our perceived freedoms. 
 
This cycle will continue to get worse.......you cannot remove capitalism from capitalism.  Asking how much a procedure costs is important in a capitalistic society.  Spending other people&#039;s money will only exacerbate the problem....as we have seen with our current insurance fiasco. Medicare and Medicaid does not pay the providers of care enough money to survive...so they charge the uninsured and the private insurance policyholders more to make up for their loses.  This causes human behavior to change and we feel as though we need to get something for our high premiums being charged to us by the health insurance companies....who have virtually eliminated most of the competition through government mandates....along time ago.... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Socialized medicine in the USA will not work for many reasons.  First is the onerous tax that will be extracted from our paychecks.  Second, our population is much larger than Sweden&#039;s and Americans are used to getting what they pay for.  This will change human behavior.  Whereas, more and more people will want to see a doctor because they will feel entitled to it.  This will create a viscious cycle of provider use and government expense.  More and more freedom limiting taxes will be required to fund this change of behavior.</p>
<p>Then come the politicians&#8230;.to set price controls&#8230;.tell the physicians and hospitals what they can charge.  To compensate, the hospitals will reduce services and staff, and this will cause rationed care&#8230;..waiting lines&#8230;as it does in Great Britain, France, Canada and other populous countries.  Then Government bureaucrats will start to tell the public they have to cut services so as not to raise taxes&#8230;&#8230;and what should be covered&#8230;.all reducing our perceived freedoms.</p>
<p>This cycle will continue to get worse&#8230;&#8230;.you cannot remove capitalism from capitalism.  Asking how much a procedure costs is important in a capitalistic society.  Spending other people&#039;s money will only exacerbate the problem&#8230;.as we have seen with our current insurance fiasco. Medicare and Medicaid does not pay the providers of care enough money to survive&#8230;so they charge the uninsured and the private insurance policyholders more to make up for their loses.  This causes human behavior to change and we feel as though we need to get something for our high premiums being charged to us by the health insurance companies&#8230;.who have virtually eliminated most of the competition through government mandates&#8230;.along time ago&#8230;.</p>
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