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		<title>By: Global Warming Hoax Weekly Round-Up, Jan. 30th 2009 &#171; The Daily Bayonet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Warming Hoax Weekly Round-Up, Jan. 30th 2009 &#171; The Daily Bayonet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is hard for climate modelers, so why not support their $140 million &#8216;stimulus&#8217;?  I&#8217;m quite certain that with the extra incentive we will all soon be learning of a new [...]</description>
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		<title>By: October 16, snowing here in Boston, Global Warming - Politics and Other Controversies - Page 10 - City-Data Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>October 16, snowing here in Boston, Global Warming - Politics and Other Controversies - Page 10 - City-Data Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hey have no vested interest.    Really..  Stimulus Plan: Non-Existent Unemployed Climate Modelers Get $140 Million ? The Foundry [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] hey have no vested interest.    Really..  Stimulus Plan: Non-Existent Unemployed Climate Modelers Get $140 Million ? The Foundry [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://blog.heritage.org/2009/01/26/stimulus-plan-non-existent-unemployed-climate-modelers-get-140-million/#comment-22877</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one...and there are many others that feel we are driving our Great Country to it&#039;s knee&#039;s from within, if you look at what are current deficit was 3 months ago and look what it is now... of course you really need to look at a chart and be able to understand it, you will see our current president ( You know the one that refused to Pledge aligiance to our Nations Flag ) is in the process of deflating the dollar to the standing of being worthless, what is it going to take for America to wake and see we are dooming our children and grandchildren with debt that they will have to work a lifetime to repay, I cannot believe anyone who is an American could actually be proud of what we have done and allowed, Obama is not taking any accountability for the money he is throwing away??? he&#039;s the one who approved it for crying out loud, don&#039;t make me give you your sign America.........Never Mind.......... Here&#039;s Your Sign.   ( Stupid ) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one&#8230;and there are many others that feel we are driving our Great Country to it&#039;s knee&#039;s from within, if you look at what are current deficit was 3 months ago and look what it is now&#8230; of course you really need to look at a chart and be able to understand it, you will see our current president ( You know the one that refused to Pledge aligiance to our Nations Flag ) is in the process of deflating the dollar to the standing of being worthless, what is it going to take for America to wake and see we are dooming our children and grandchildren with debt that they will have to work a lifetime to repay, I cannot believe anyone who is an American could actually be proud of what we have done and allowed, Obama is not taking any accountability for the money he is throwing away??? he&#039;s the one who approved it for crying out loud, don&#039;t make me give you your sign America&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Never Mind&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. Here&#039;s Your Sign.   ( Stupid )</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald, Illinois</title>
		<link>http://blog.heritage.org/2009/01/26/stimulus-plan-non-existent-unemployed-climate-modelers-get-140-million/#comment-17140</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald, Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 03:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, 
 
Glad to help, we need to get the green freaks out of here, before they screw things up even more. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas,</p>
<p>Glad to help, we need to get the green freaks out of here, before they screw things up even more.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Gray South Ca</title>
		<link>http://blog.heritage.org/2009/01/26/stimulus-plan-non-existent-unemployed-climate-modelers-get-140-million/#comment-16887</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Gray South Ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerald, 
 
Thanks, I could not have said it better. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerald,</p>
<p>Thanks, I could not have said it better.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald, Illinois</title>
		<link>http://blog.heritage.org/2009/01/26/stimulus-plan-non-existent-unemployed-climate-modelers-get-140-million/#comment-16755</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald, Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am tired of all the lies and media hoopla about Al Gore and others of his kind, hyping up supposed global warming. And of course, bad old countries that are prosperous, and advanced, (like US!) are of course to blame.  
Al Gore needs to stop yammering, and practice what he preaches, before telling everyone else to go without, so HE doesn&#039;t have to. 
And the fact that there is not one shred of real proof that man made activites influence worldwide climate patterns, tells me all I need to know about this green sham. 
If any climate changes occur, it is only because of the cyclical nature of the Earth&#039;s climate. This planet has been through countless warming and cooling cycles, long before man, and will continue to do so, long after we are gone. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am tired of all the lies and media hoopla about Al Gore and others of his kind, hyping up supposed global warming. And of course, bad old countries that are prosperous, and advanced, (like US!) are of course to blame. </p>
<p>Al Gore needs to stop yammering, and practice what he preaches, before telling everyone else to go without, so HE doesn&#039;t have to.</p>
<p>And the fact that there is not one shred of real proof that man made activites influence worldwide climate patterns, tells me all I need to know about this green sham.</p>
<p>If any climate changes occur, it is only because of the cyclical nature of the Earth&#039;s climate. This planet has been through countless warming and cooling cycles, long before man, and will continue to do so, long after we are gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Gray South Ca</title>
		<link>http://blog.heritage.org/2009/01/26/stimulus-plan-non-existent-unemployed-climate-modelers-get-140-million/#comment-16575</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Gray South Ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It all sounded almost believable until you said solar and wind can benefit the economy, to much kool aid. 
 
  No one here denies climate change,  but the disagreement starts at the teaching that all of a sudden man is causing it to change or that it will change [ for the worse ] if we do not stop producing greenhouse gasses. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all sounded almost believable until you said solar and wind can benefit the economy, to much kool aid.</p>
<p>  No one here denies climate change,  but the disagreement starts at the teaching that all of a sudden man is causing it to change or that it will change [ for the worse ] if we do not stop producing greenhouse gasses.</p>
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		<title>By: Chicago</title>
		<link>http://blog.heritage.org/2009/01/26/stimulus-plan-non-existent-unemployed-climate-modelers-get-140-million/#comment-16516</link>
		<dc:creator>Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of Lay-Scientists out there who don&#039;t believe in Global Warming (it&#039;s actually more accurate to say Climate Change). 
I work at a research University in the Physical Sciences department.  Our modeling doesn&#039;t disprove Climate change, it supports it.  The vast consensus in the Scientific community (though apparently not the blogger community) is that Climate Change is real and caused or abetted by Humans.  That&#039;s reality, not a partisan position.  It&#039;s really a shame that the Right wing puts partisan hatred over science. 
 
Personally, I don&#039;t think Climate research computing is a good use of near-term stimulus dollars though I would love to have more computing funds available. A couple points of fact though.. 
 
There are more than professors that are involved in research computing.  There are staff researchers who don&#039;t get tenure (or even the guarantee that they can find jobs).  There are also IT Support staff that run the computer systems.  I&#039;ve had a significant increase in people asking about job opportunites in IT recently because they&#039;re getting laid off. 
 
There is also the broader IT industry that would immediately benefit.  Most of the compute clusters we see are assembled from commodity components from U.S. vendors.  Pogo Linux, ASA, PSSC.  These are American jobs.  Of course there are also the ancillary economic benefits to construction/maintenance (data center-power, space, cooling, operations monitoring..)  
 
This would create jobs, and pull people off the unemployment rolls. 
 
Research Universities run on Grants and Donations, not tuition.  Without Grants, you&#039;d probably still be taking tonics for viral infections.  You&#039;d certainly not get weather forecasting and a million other modern-day conveniences because even private-sector research is built on &#039;pure research&#039; done at Universities. 
 
P.S.  &#039;Global Warming&#039;, if true, would create weather instability.  It doesn&#039;t turn Chicago into a Tropical Rain forest.  I suspect the detractors know this, they&#039;re just being dishonest.  One of the most striking predictions would be another European mini-ice age (like the one that happened naturally in the late middle ages).  This would be caused by changes in the Atlantic thermohaline currents. 
 
P.P.S.  If Global Warming is, in fact, a hoax it&#039;s the best hoax ever perpetrated.  If you really believe this is a hoax you first have to assume that 95+% of climatologists are involved in a vast conspiracy with no-one on the inside breaking ranks.  You also have to have no understanding that a researcher with overwhelming strong research results disproving Climate change would not be suppressed but, rather, would become a &#039;rock star&#039; in scientific circles.  Tangentially the same would be true of someone who had real (any) research evidence disproving Evolution. 
 
That said, if Climate Change IS a hoax, it&#039;s still the best hoax ever perpetrated on man.  Global Warming advocates demand a decrease in technologies that are polluting to the environment.  The results would be, obviously, decreased pollution (and resultant decrease in infrastructure damage and reduced medical costs for asthma, emphysema, cancer...).  It would also force the United States to become more energy independent from nations who actively conspire against our interests.  Long term benefits of energy independence include cost savings as other fuel sources are finite and their cost must go up as supplies dwindle.  Additional cost savings to our economy would occur as technology improves (becomes more efficient, spurred by investment dollars in a competitive market, as larger efficiencies of scale are realized).   
And finally (as far as I can manage off the top of my head), an energy migration from polluting to &#039;green&#039; technologies would require investment and job creation as claimed by the President. 
 
Sure, solar and wind can never replace existing power infrastructure completely.  No one claims that.  They can, however, benefit the economy, the environment, and the geo-political forces aligned against the US. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of Lay-Scientists out there who don&#039;t believe in Global Warming (it&#039;s actually more accurate to say Climate Change).</p>
<p>I work at a research University in the Physical Sciences department.  Our modeling doesn&#039;t disprove Climate change, it supports it.  The vast consensus in the Scientific community (though apparently not the blogger community) is that Climate Change is real and caused or abetted by Humans.  That&#039;s reality, not a partisan position.  It&#039;s really a shame that the Right wing puts partisan hatred over science.</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#039;t think Climate research computing is a good use of near-term stimulus dollars though I would love to have more computing funds available. A couple points of fact though..</p>
<p>There are more than professors that are involved in research computing.  There are staff researchers who don&#039;t get tenure (or even the guarantee that they can find jobs).  There are also IT Support staff that run the computer systems.  I&#039;ve had a significant increase in people asking about job opportunites in IT recently because they&#039;re getting laid off.</p>
<p>There is also the broader IT industry that would immediately benefit.  Most of the compute clusters we see are assembled from commodity components from U.S. vendors.  Pogo Linux, ASA, PSSC.  These are American jobs.  Of course there are also the ancillary economic benefits to construction/maintenance (data center-power, space, cooling, operations monitoring..) </p>
<p>This would create jobs, and pull people off the unemployment rolls.</p>
<p>Research Universities run on Grants and Donations, not tuition.  Without Grants, you&#039;d probably still be taking tonics for viral infections.  You&#039;d certainly not get weather forecasting and a million other modern-day conveniences because even private-sector research is built on &#039;pure research&#039; done at Universities.</p>
<p>P.S.  &#039;Global Warming&#039;, if true, would create weather instability.  It doesn&#039;t turn Chicago into a Tropical Rain forest.  I suspect the detractors know this, they&#039;re just being dishonest.  One of the most striking predictions would be another European mini-ice age (like the one that happened naturally in the late middle ages).  This would be caused by changes in the Atlantic thermohaline currents.</p>
<p>P.P.S.  If Global Warming is, in fact, a hoax it&#039;s the best hoax ever perpetrated.  If you really believe this is a hoax you first have to assume that 95+% of climatologists are involved in a vast conspiracy with no-one on the inside breaking ranks.  You also have to have no understanding that a researcher with overwhelming strong research results disproving Climate change would not be suppressed but, rather, would become a &#039;rock star&#039; in scientific circles.  Tangentially the same would be true of someone who had real (any) research evidence disproving Evolution.</p>
<p>That said, if Climate Change IS a hoax, it&#039;s still the best hoax ever perpetrated on man.  Global Warming advocates demand a decrease in technologies that are polluting to the environment.  The results would be, obviously, decreased pollution (and resultant decrease in infrastructure damage and reduced medical costs for asthma, emphysema, cancer&#8230;).  It would also force the United States to become more energy independent from nations who actively conspire against our interests.  Long term benefits of energy independence include cost savings as other fuel sources are finite and their cost must go up as supplies dwindle.  Additional cost savings to our economy would occur as technology improves (becomes more efficient, spurred by investment dollars in a competitive market, as larger efficiencies of scale are realized).  </p>
<p>And finally (as far as I can manage off the top of my head), an energy migration from polluting to &#039;green&#039; technologies would require investment and job creation as claimed by the President.</p>
<p>Sure, solar and wind can never replace existing power infrastructure completely.  No one claims that.  They can, however, benefit the economy, the environment, and the geo-political forces aligned against the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Gray South Ca</title>
		<link>http://blog.heritage.org/2009/01/26/stimulus-plan-non-existent-unemployed-climate-modelers-get-140-million/#comment-16435</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Gray South Ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lloydrmc Denver,  you are absolutely right, I have kept up with GWB and everything he did becouse I knew he was an oil man and he took a great interest in energy as I have also,  the problem now is all that money is gone. 
 
  The builders that built all those homes that nobody can pay for spent that income and are now looking for jobs.  I see the problem but I have no answers as to what to do now. 
 
  Our new president is only trying doing what he knows how to do, loan money to gain power over those who take it, something I learned long ago when I was self employed and got stung by this common practise. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lloydrmc Denver,  you are absolutely right, I have kept up with GWB and everything he did becouse I knew he was an oil man and he took a great interest in energy as I have also,  the problem now is all that money is gone.</p>
<p>  The builders that built all those homes that nobody can pay for spent that income and are now looking for jobs.  I see the problem but I have no answers as to what to do now.</p>
<p>  Our new president is only trying doing what he knows how to do, loan money to gain power over those who take it, something I learned long ago when I was self employed and got stung by this common practise.</p>
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		<title>By: lloydrmc, Denver</title>
		<link>http://blog.heritage.org/2009/01/26/stimulus-plan-non-existent-unemployed-climate-modelers-get-140-million/#comment-16382</link>
		<dc:creator>lloydrmc, Denver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Let&#8217;s not forget whose fault it is that the economy is screwed in the first place- everyone who supported bush&#8217;s campaigns!&quot; 
 
Pure fiction!  This was caused by the CRA, the more aggressive CRA, which caused FNMA and Freddie Mac to fail, which essentially took all the banks down with them.  The Bush administration tried repeatedly to fix this before it happened.  OFEO reported, year after year, about the shenanigans that were happening at FNMA and Freddie Mac.  Only a couple of years ago, Barney Frank said, over and over, in a public hearing that FNMA was doing just fine. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Let&rsquo;s not forget whose fault it is that the economy is screwed in the first place- everyone who supported bush&rsquo;s campaigns!&quot;</p>
<p>Pure fiction!  This was caused by the CRA, the more aggressive CRA, which caused FNMA and Freddie Mac to fail, which essentially took all the banks down with them.  The Bush administration tried repeatedly to fix this before it happened.  OFEO reported, year after year, about the shenanigans that were happening at FNMA and Freddie Mac.  Only a couple of years ago, Barney Frank said, over and over, in a public hearing that FNMA was doing just fine.</p>
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