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  • Stimulus Plan: Non-Existent Unemployed Climate Modelers Get $140 Million

    President Barack Obama’s trillion dollar stimulus plan, has morphed into an appropriations bill devoid of debate. The process forgoes any pretense of targeting unemployed people and resources.

    For instance, the bill reads “Provided further, That not less than $140,000,000 shall be available for climate data modeling.” This raises the question of how many unemployed climate modelers are out there pounding the pavement.

    When presented with that question, last Friday, Pat Michaels, former president of the American Association of State Climatologists stated “I don’t know one unemployed modeler.”

    Whether or not another $140,000,000 for climate data modeling is a good idea, it is hard to see an immediate, economy-stimulating impact from this item.

    What’s the rush? Maybe they need to get all their modeling done before another cool year highlights how bad the models are.

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    49 Responses to Stimulus Plan: Non-Existent Unemployed Climate Modelers Get $140 Million

    1. Burghard Schmanck, G says:

      Perhaps the modelers have to find out, that there is no global warming, but global cooling worldwide. We know it by looking outside and the modelers find it by modeling climate-models on their computers. The new religion: Believing by Modeling. O, o Obama! Roll back your specter of a warming planet! You have promised it.

    2. DAVE, PRUDHOE BAY, says:

      WHAT WITH THE GLOBAL WARMING SCAM, BOGUS 'BAILOUTS', MARXIST SOCIALISM RENAMED 'THE PATRIOTIC THING TO DO', AND HYPOCRISY OF OBAMA HIMSELF, MY GAG REFLEX IS NEARLY OUTOF CONTROL!

    3. rtchard traxler wei says:

      Has the whole world gone totally bananas? Al Gore should be in jail for trying to pull off the biggest hoax (and the costliest) in history.

      What really gets me is the little kids coming home from school after being told lies about "global warming" and crying about all those cute polor bears that are dying because there is no ice left for them to stand on. Shame on you, Al Gore and all the rest of you that make a living out of scaring kids out of their wits, all the while making huge dollars.

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    7. Greg--San Carlos, CA says:

      Why would even a very intense climate modeling effort require more than about $10 million to $20 million?

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    10. Bob, jacksonville says:

      There is no such thing as "climate data modeling." There are climate data. And there are climate models.

      But the numbers that come out of models are not "data." Data are real measurements. And should be used to calibrate and verify the models.

      So, Congress can't even get that right.

    11. Dave - Marietta, Ga says:

      I did a computer model and everyone should panic! I put in the amount of daylight every day from June 21 to Dec 31, and the computer model says we will have no daylight left by next August. The days are going away, with nothing but night in your future. We have to stop capitalism and grow government now, before it's too late!

    12. Louis, San franciso says:

      Let's not forget whose fault it is that the economy is screwed in the first place- everyone who supported bush's campaigns!

    13. Sam, COS says:

      Maybe the modeling would stimulate the sales of computer chips and computers!

    14. gregg, Texas says:

      Algore and Madoff, the two biggest swindlers of all time are still not in jail.

      The messiah should just blame this bad bill on GWB and start over.

    15. Claus, Texas says:

      They have to get their money attached to as many as possible so they can pull the strings that come attached to that money when they need to.
      http://www.lawandmarkets.com wrote about this

    16. Rich, Asheville, NC says:

      I know one unemployed climate modeler. Can he get the whole appropriation?

    17. Jeff Chastain, Jacks says:

      PLEASE DO NOT SIDE WITH THE DEMOCRATES ON THE STEMULUS BILL!!!!

      The pork bill if nothing but a trap. They will Lure you into supporting the bill by removing the pork.

      "NO COMPRIMISE ON THIS BUST THE BUDGET BILL".

      "JUST GIVE US TAX RELEIF OR BETTER YET A NEW TAX SYSTEM – ONE THAT DOES'T STRESS YOU OUT EVERY YEAR"

    18. Steve, USA says:

      Louis, San franciso (yeah that's right) writes:

      Let’s not forget whose fault it is that the economy is screwed in the first place- everyone who supported bush’s campaigns!

      2004 Senate hearings video on Fannie & Freddie illegal bookkeeping. . .

      http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=184743

    19. John Richmond, VA says:

      Yes, thats right (LOUIE) it was not Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who caused this whole mess. Just blame it on GWB. Every market downfall can be traced back to the dopes that told our banks to give loans to those who can not pay them back! Please, my liberal friends, read Thomas Sowell's "Economics 101" before you make any more comments about why we are in this mess!

    20. Pepperpike, OH says:

      Americans, you asked for this. We have allowed our emotions to overcome our judgements. It's freaking cold here in Ohio. It's the most snow fall they have had in over half a century. Yet you hear this politicians scream global warming. It's hard for me to understand why we have to pour billions of dollars into this gimic, it's an unproven science. A doctored movie enmeshed with photo tricks called inconvenience truth…..such a misnomer…..perhaps inconvenient lie would be appropriate; sums it all There may be more pollution out there, that is proven, to now tie that down to global warming and climate change beats me. By the way we have been in sub zero celsius temperatures in Ohio in the last few weeks with record snow fall, perhaps we have we have global cooling.

    21. Doug, Ohio says:

      Where are the clouds in the models? How is cloud cover factored? Al Gore is trying to line his pockets scaring the world! Get the torches and pitchforks and lets chase this monster back to his maker's castle and enjoy the warmth of the huge bonfire on these cold winter nights!

    22. J.S., South Carolina says:

      So… if over $140,000,000 comes from a client with an agenda of proving global warming, what data modeling do you think will result if they want more of this pork pie?

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    24. Angel, NM says:

      Don't blame it on GWB, it started with Clinton. If he would have taken more time to run this country instead of running Monica, we would not have half this mess we are in now.

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    26. John, ME says:

      Hey Louis in SF did you even read the subject matter before throwin down your ignoramous Bush bash? Your "Messiah" is in charge now God Help Us!

    27. Mike, Ohio says:

      Release the terrorist and jail the bankers..and Rush!!! Apparently, Rush must be deemed a real threat to the "Progressives"….they can't scramble fast enough to air ads condeming him. He really must have struck a nerve. This bill the dems want to pass..it's a bill alright..of goods that I ain't buy'n.

    28. JAN - JACKSONVILLE says:

      PEOPLE LIKE LOUIS IN SF, NANCY PELOSI, & THE DUMOCRATS OF CA ARE THE REASON I DON'T TELL PEOPLE I LIVED MOST OF MY LIFE IN CA. AS FOR HARRY REID, HE'S THE REASON I DON'T TELL PEOPLE I WAS BORN IN NV.

      WHY IS THE AMERICAN PUBLIC SO WILLING TO BE SOOOO GULLIBLE AND BELIEVE IN THE NEED FOR THE MASSIVE NEW DEMOCRATIC WELFARE PROGRAM BETTER KNOWN AS THE STIMULOUS BILL? OH, I KNOW,THEY REALLY BELIEVE THAT OUR NEW PRESIDENT & THE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS REALLY CARE ABOUT THEM…THE ONLY CHANGE I SEE IS THE ASTRONOMICAL GROWTH OF OUR NATIONAL DEBT. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO REPLAY THE MISTAKES OF FDR, NOR CAN WE AFFORD TO BE IN A DECADE LONG DEPRESSION. OUR NEW PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS JUST NEED TO SHUT UP, SIT DOWN, AND LET THE AMERICAN ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT TAKE OVER…

      BY THE WAY LOUIS – STOP LIVING IN THE PAST! WHINING ABOUT GWB IS WASTING TIME! BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEMS IN OUR COUNTRY, NOT A PART OF THE CONTINUING PROBLEM!

    29. Vicki, CA says:

      Wake up world! God is in control of the entire universe. He is the One Who created billions of galaxies and everything on this earth. Do you seriously think mere man can compete with the sun? Check your history – there have been much warmer periods of time way before automobiles and other man-made "evil" products.

    30. Dave, Kentucky says:

      We need to let our elected officials know that we will not vote for any incumbent as long as the status quo exists. When they start representing the people instead of themselves we should allow them to have a second term… AND THAT IS ALL. Send them your laundry list and then vote the jerks out if you are not satified.

      That's change you can believe in.

      God Bless America

    31. Jerri MacMillian, Es says:

      What gets me going is the hand wringing over the failure of a single Republican to carry the torch for bipartism effort. Well, there was an effort, but the Democrats had their hands in the pocket of the taxpayer and were unable to shake the hand extended to them.

    32. joe cipolone ft wayn says:

      I am an unemployed climate modeler. Don't use a computer, and don't need $140 million. Since I am the only one I should get all of the $140 million. I'll donate all of it to food banks who will only give food to confirmed poor people. The calories consumed and the energy expended will help raise the planets temperature and help end this long term cooling cycle that is going to last for 7 to 8 years. The same length of this just starting recession. To survive, only buy what you can eat or what can keep you warm. If you have any paper (used to be called money) convert it into the only true measure of wealth: Gold or silver.

    33. jim smith new york says:

      Algore and Bernie Madoff, separated at birth, but in full possession of the dreaded "Scam Gene". Global Warming is one of those Hitler deals wherein telling the same lie repeatedly, it becomes the truth. It works quite a bit faster with liberals. You can tell GW is bogus simply because a bunch of "scientists" voted on it. Climate is brought to you and me, courtesy of God. He also does all the options: rain, snow, sleet, earthquakes, tidal waves, tsunamis (a tidal wave with egg roll)cyclones, tornadoes, but not your pestilence. "And Mom, please pass the rutabegas".

    34. Big Bear, Bearsden, says:

      The Government no longer represents me. They represent special interests. They do not represent me. The government has failed the people. It is a colossal failure. I can no longer in good faith give it any support. Government no longer represents anyone who doesn't have an agenda or want a handout. It is not my government.

    35. Nathan says:

      Perhaps the payoff is for AL GORE, for his non-competence in the 2008 POLLS.

    36. Mike, Ohio says:

      Unemployed climate modelers? PLEASE!!! Millions to them, ACORN,and other special interest groups. I say re elect NO ONE!!! We need to clean house (and Senate).

    37. Robert Montgomery fo says:

      well,this is what the liberals foisted on the nation. freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. the good thing about FDR's terms pn office was that there was a world wide catastophre to deal with in the world war. that took the domestic pressure off of him. Obama has no such distraction. all eyes will be on him and the nation will see what a failure he is.

    38. David Schroeder of B says:

      CLIMATE MODELLING (MOLDED AND SHAPED)

      Let us see how this might work…

      The Earth rotates on an approximate and VARYING 23 DEGREE TILT based on the plane of its eccentric or NOT SO CIRCULAR revolution around the SUN. As the Earth revolves, one half of the planet gets cooler and other warmer once every single year, year after year.

      There is a gyroscopic action to the Earth's spinning around a liquid iron core (try spinning a raw and a hard boiled egg.) This spinning liquid iron core generates this planet’s VARYING MAGNETIC FIELD which repels much but not all of the particles and radiation of the SOLAR WIND. There is varying strength to the solar wind during the Sun’s twelve year SUN SPOT CYCLE.

      The Earth has the largest satellite based on its size than any other planet in this solar system. There might be some influence here… The Sun, the Earth and the Moon? Oh yes, the TIDES. There are other planets that might have an effect on the relationship to the Earth's position next to the Sun. The Earth gains mass each day, as a result of incoming debris from space. There “is” GRAVITY involved.

      What other than the Sun and the molten metal core could be the definitive extra variable that would effect the overall TEMPATURE OF THE PLANET.

      Anyone and all of these dynamic values could be PRECISELY placed into “THE EQUATION THAT IS" the Earth’s Climate Model at the precise moment and that EVENT could be considered a miracle, yet something undiscovered and new (selectively considered news worthy) would change the desired outcome.

      There is sign painted to the side of a wagon within an American movie classic, that makes a perfect parallel to the Al Gore legacy;

      Professor Marvel

      Acclaimed by the Crowned Heads of Europe

      Let him read your Past, Present and Future in his Crystal 'Ball'

      Also Juggling and Sleight of Hand

      Also, there must be more than a few Dorothys on this planet who are convinced the Syncing of the "Wizard of Oz" and "The Dark Side of the Moon" is a miracle too.

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    40. lloydrmc, Denver says:

      "Let’s not forget whose fault it is that the economy is screwed in the first place- everyone who supported bush’s campaigns!"

      Pure fiction! This was caused by the CRA, the more aggressive CRA, which caused FNMA and Freddie Mac to fail, which essentially took all the banks down with them. The Bush administration tried repeatedly to fix this before it happened. OFEO reported, year after year, about the shenanigans that were happening at FNMA and Freddie Mac. Only a couple of years ago, Barney Frank said, over and over, in a public hearing that FNMA was doing just fine.

    41. Thomas Gray South Ca says:

      lloydrmc Denver, you are absolutely right, I have kept up with GWB and everything he did becouse I knew he was an oil man and he took a great interest in energy as I have also, the problem now is all that money is gone.

      The builders that built all those homes that nobody can pay for spent that income and are now looking for jobs. I see the problem but I have no answers as to what to do now.

      Our new president is only trying doing what he knows how to do, loan money to gain power over those who take it, something I learned long ago when I was self employed and got stung by this common practise.

    42. Chicago says:

      There are a lot of Lay-Scientists out there who don't believe in Global Warming (it's actually more accurate to say Climate Change).

      I work at a research University in the Physical Sciences department. Our modeling doesn't disprove Climate change, it supports it. The vast consensus in the Scientific community (though apparently not the blogger community) is that Climate Change is real and caused or abetted by Humans. That's reality, not a partisan position. It's really a shame that the Right wing puts partisan hatred over science.

      Personally, I don't think Climate research computing is a good use of near-term stimulus dollars though I would love to have more computing funds available. A couple points of fact though..

      There are more than professors that are involved in research computing. There are staff researchers who don't get tenure (or even the guarantee that they can find jobs). There are also IT Support staff that run the computer systems. I've had a significant increase in people asking about job opportunites in IT recently because they're getting laid off.

      There is also the broader IT industry that would immediately benefit. Most of the compute clusters we see are assembled from commodity components from U.S. vendors. Pogo Linux, ASA, PSSC. These are American jobs. Of course there are also the ancillary economic benefits to construction/maintenance (data center-power, space, cooling, operations monitoring..)

      This would create jobs, and pull people off the unemployment rolls.

      Research Universities run on Grants and Donations, not tuition. Without Grants, you'd probably still be taking tonics for viral infections. You'd certainly not get weather forecasting and a million other modern-day conveniences because even private-sector research is built on 'pure research' done at Universities.

      P.S. 'Global Warming', if true, would create weather instability. It doesn't turn Chicago into a Tropical Rain forest. I suspect the detractors know this, they're just being dishonest. One of the most striking predictions would be another European mini-ice age (like the one that happened naturally in the late middle ages). This would be caused by changes in the Atlantic thermohaline currents.

      P.P.S. If Global Warming is, in fact, a hoax it's the best hoax ever perpetrated. If you really believe this is a hoax you first have to assume that 95+% of climatologists are involved in a vast conspiracy with no-one on the inside breaking ranks. You also have to have no understanding that a researcher with overwhelming strong research results disproving Climate change would not be suppressed but, rather, would become a 'rock star' in scientific circles. Tangentially the same would be true of someone who had real (any) research evidence disproving Evolution.

      That said, if Climate Change IS a hoax, it's still the best hoax ever perpetrated on man. Global Warming advocates demand a decrease in technologies that are polluting to the environment. The results would be, obviously, decreased pollution (and resultant decrease in infrastructure damage and reduced medical costs for asthma, emphysema, cancer…). It would also force the United States to become more energy independent from nations who actively conspire against our interests. Long term benefits of energy independence include cost savings as other fuel sources are finite and their cost must go up as supplies dwindle. Additional cost savings to our economy would occur as technology improves (becomes more efficient, spurred by investment dollars in a competitive market, as larger efficiencies of scale are realized).

      And finally (as far as I can manage off the top of my head), an energy migration from polluting to 'green' technologies would require investment and job creation as claimed by the President.

      Sure, solar and wind can never replace existing power infrastructure completely. No one claims that. They can, however, benefit the economy, the environment, and the geo-political forces aligned against the US.

    43. Thomas Gray South Ca says:

      It all sounded almost believable until you said solar and wind can benefit the economy, to much kool aid.

      No one here denies climate change, but the disagreement starts at the teaching that all of a sudden man is causing it to change or that it will change [ for the worse ] if we do not stop producing greenhouse gasses.

    44. Gerald, Illinois says:

      I am tired of all the lies and media hoopla about Al Gore and others of his kind, hyping up supposed global warming. And of course, bad old countries that are prosperous, and advanced, (like US!) are of course to blame.

      Al Gore needs to stop yammering, and practice what he preaches, before telling everyone else to go without, so HE doesn't have to.

      And the fact that there is not one shred of real proof that man made activites influence worldwide climate patterns, tells me all I need to know about this green sham.

      If any climate changes occur, it is only because of the cyclical nature of the Earth's climate. This planet has been through countless warming and cooling cycles, long before man, and will continue to do so, long after we are gone.

    45. Thomas Gray South Ca says:

      Gerald,

      Thanks, I could not have said it better.

    46. Gerald, Illinois says:

      Thomas,

      Glad to help, we need to get the green freaks out of here, before they screw things up even more.

    47. Jeff says:

      I for one…and there are many others that feel we are driving our Great Country to it's knee's from within, if you look at what are current deficit was 3 months ago and look what it is now… of course you really need to look at a chart and be able to understand it, you will see our current president ( You know the one that refused to Pledge aligiance to our Nations Flag ) is in the process of deflating the dollar to the standing of being worthless, what is it going to take for America to wake and see we are dooming our children and grandchildren with debt that they will have to work a lifetime to repay, I cannot believe anyone who is an American could actually be proud of what we have done and allowed, Obama is not taking any accountability for the money he is throwing away??? he's the one who approved it for crying out loud, don't make me give you your sign America………Never Mind………. Here's Your Sign. ( Stupid )

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