Comments on: Morning Bell: Protecting Religious Liberty http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/19/morning-bell-protecting-religious-liberty/ Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:27:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Big Dave, Laguna Nig http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/19/morning-bell-protecting-religious-liberty/#comment-17002 Big Dave, Laguna Nig Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:45:14 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/19/morning-bell-protecting-religious-liberty/#comment-17002 All you knuckleheads who proclaim "separation of church and state" please read the constitution...it is not in there! It is MADE UP by LIBERALS, out of what they "think" Jefferson "really" meant, but did not come out and say it directly. BS!!!!!! He said EXACTLY what he meant and he meant what he said. Lets break it down to the simple. The government shall not IMPOSE any religion, nor PROHIBIT the exercize thereof. Which means if a government worker wants to exhibit a Christmas tree, a cross, a minorah, or the Koran, NO PROBLEM, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO SO AND ANY PROHIBITION IS AGAINST THE LAW! FUNNY HOW THEY LOOK THE OTHER WAY WHEN ITS A MUSLIM JIHADIST YET CRUCIFY A CHRISTIAN!Whats up Doc? All you knuckleheads who proclaim "separation of church and state" please read the constitution…it is not in there! It is MADE UP by LIBERALS, out of what they "think" Jefferson "really" meant, but did not come out and say it directly. BS!!!!!! He said EXACTLY what he meant and he meant what he said. Lets break it down to the simple. The government shall not IMPOSE any religion, nor PROHIBIT the exercize thereof. Which means if a government worker wants to exhibit a Christmas tree, a cross, a minorah, or the Koran, NO PROBLEM, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO SO AND ANY PROHIBITION IS AGAINST THE LAW! FUNNY HOW THEY LOOK THE OTHER WAY WHEN ITS A MUSLIM JIHADIST YET CRUCIFY A CHRISTIAN!Whats up Doc?

]]> By: William Rickard http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/19/morning-bell-protecting-religious-liberty/#comment-11665 William Rickard Wed, 24 Dec 2008 04:59:37 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/19/morning-bell-protecting-religious-liberty/#comment-11665 The New York Times proves again there is no place for honesty in the liberal media. Trying to put the blame on Bush for a problem that began before he was elected and even foretold by the Times. So much for honest reporting. The New York Times proves again there is no place for honesty in the liberal media. Trying to put the blame on Bush for a problem that began before he was elected and even foretold by the Times. So much for honest reporting.

]]> By: Dave Kipp, Wausauke, http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/19/morning-bell-protecting-religious-liberty/#comment-11605 Dave Kipp, Wausauke, Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:03:04 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/19/morning-bell-protecting-religious-liberty/#comment-11605 Regarding "A Legacy that Matters", I have read the entire series "The Reckoning" from the NYT. President Bush should not feel alone since the series tars and feathers many of the players in this ongoing financial fiasco. There is little in my opinion that the president could have or should have done to prevent the crisis but there is much the the congress and regulatory bodies could have and should have done.Now I am sure congress will endeavor to pass restrictive regulations on the financial community in hindsight, but just like many other laws and regulations already on the books it is enforcement of existing regulations and integrity of both individuals and corporate entities that are lacking. The loosening of lending requirements begun in the Clinton administration combined with the proliferation of complex derivatives, which even those who created them, perhaps blinded by greed, were not fully cognizent of the long term ramifications.In retrospect we will examine this debacle in minute detail and hopefully change some of more egregious practices that have taken place. But until as a nation we replace greed, apathy and ignorance with charity, honesty and integrity, I'm afraid this lesson will all too soon be forgotten! Regarding "A Legacy that Matters", I have read the entire series "The Reckoning" from the NYT. President Bush should not feel alone since the series tars and feathers many of the players in this ongoing financial fiasco. There is little in my opinion that the president could have or should have done to prevent the crisis but there is much the the congress and regulatory bodies could have and should have done.Now I am sure congress will endeavor to pass restrictive regulations on the financial community in hindsight, but just like many other laws and regulations already on the books it is enforcement of existing regulations and integrity of both individuals and corporate entities that are lacking. The loosening of lending requirements begun in the Clinton administration combined with the proliferation of complex derivatives, which even those who created them, perhaps blinded by greed, were not fully cognizent of the long term ramifications.In retrospect we will examine this debacle in minute detail and hopefully change some of more egregious practices that have taken place. But until as a nation we replace greed, apathy and ignorance with charity, honesty and integrity, I'm afraid this lesson will all too soon be forgotten!

]]> By: david richfield http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/19/morning-bell-protecting-religious-liberty/#comment-11598 david richfield Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:12:14 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/19/morning-bell-protecting-religious-liberty/#comment-11598 Good point about , if we the nation are not religious, why does the government have religious holidays? You're right. There shouldn't be any government religious holidays. oxymoronic? You don't like the free parking downtown? I sure do. Yes, the law is the law, but it doesn't give anybody the right to tell anybody else who or what God is. WE THE PEOPLE have a legal separation of church and state under the Constitution. Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ... It does say " In God we trust" on the one dollar bill. It doesn't say "under god", but I don't care this difference. But the 10 commandments on a "Public Installation"...? I think you're getting close to violating Amendment 1. It's just not the business of the US government to tell Americans what to think about God. in the rebuttal, it said... "Since we can't pray to God, can't Trust in God... excuse me, No law prevents me from praying to God. No law ever could. No law prevents you from trusting in God. No law ever could. And no, under the Constitution, I can't post my version or anybody else's version of what God's law is on any public building, and a Fine thing that is, under OUR law. There are hundreds of sects of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, etc, (all American citizens and taxpayers) that would love for their special version of their man made "truth" about God to appear on your government issued anything. I shouldn't need my money, or some building to remind me to pray to god or trust in God. And government has never had the power to eliminate God from any facets of my life. And thank God I don't have the power to prevent a government worker from celebrating anything. Which "God Words" would be the right ones for OUR government to print? Yours? from your neighbors' pastor? My favorite psalm? How do you know? How do we know? what if others think theirs are more right than yours or mine? Who decides? The government? How? The government can never decide that. So... As Americans, WE SEPARATE CHURCHES FROM THE STATE. Amen. I personally, would prefer that we honored the vision of the Founding Fathers, who, having had full knowledge of what it was actually like to have escaped a Christian nation which had persecuted ANY who were not part of the King of England's Church. The King of England was also the chief stockholder in the largest corporation in the world, The British East India company. And, that company, thru it's economic/Political/Religious POWER, was trying it's best to bankrupt all of the Mom and Pop Tea importers in the American colonies, by lowering the taxes on the British East India company. Using market share, boycott, supply and demand, and unfair taxes, the head of the Church of England was doing his level best to prevent Americans from having their own businesses, and their own destiny, because he was exercising political and economic power. Bostonians threw his tea in the harbor, fearful that they would be hanged for treason. They swore each other to secrecy until they were all gone, to protect each other from the crown's vengeance. But they succeeded in establishing The United States of America. King George's Britain was a nation where church and state were not separate. Part of the reason to hate the guy is that he was a religious monarch with his own army. Think very carefully about allowing any one politician or special interest to print scripture on public buildings or money. It's, after all, not that American. Hitler was big into his corny version of christian scripture being printed on government anything. He was going to deliver a thousand years of peace, in God's name. We're still waiting. It's American to protect Everybody's right to believe in God any way that they want, and to also not be forced to believe... 1) ...in any body else's version of God, (face it, all of the scriptures are written by human beings, regardless of how correct you think your version is, others disagree) or... 2) ...in God at all. Would God force you to believe in him/her/it? Has He/she/it? If not, then why would I want to force other Americans to pay their tax dollars to have your "words of God" engraved on one of OUR public buildings? Or, what if they had a bigger e-mail list or more money and got the "wrong God words" on your public building? David Good point about , if we the nation are not religious, why does the government have religious holidays?

You're right. There shouldn't be any government religious holidays.

oxymoronic?

You don't like the free parking downtown?

I sure do.

Yes, the law is the law, but it doesn't give anybody the right to tell anybody else who or what God is.

WE THE PEOPLE have a legal separation of church and state under the Constitution.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; …

It does say " In God we trust" on the one dollar bill. It doesn't say "under god", but I don't care this difference.

But the 10 commandments on a "Public Installation"…?

I think you're getting close to violating Amendment 1.

It's just not the business of the US government to tell Americans what to think about God.

in the rebuttal, it said… "Since we can't pray to God, can't Trust in God…

excuse me,

No law prevents me from praying to God.

No law ever could.

No law prevents you from trusting in God.

No law ever could.

And no, under the Constitution, I can't post my version or anybody else's version of what God's law is on any public building, and

a Fine thing that is, under OUR law.

There are hundreds of sects of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, etc, (all American citizens and taxpayers) that would love for their special version of their man made "truth" about God to appear on your government issued anything.

I shouldn't need my money, or some building to remind me to pray to god or trust in God.

And government has never had the power to eliminate God from any facets of my life.

And thank God I don't have the power to prevent a government worker from celebrating anything.

Which "God Words" would be the right ones for OUR government to print?

Yours? from your neighbors' pastor? My favorite psalm?

How do you know?

How do we know?

what if others think theirs are more right than yours or mine?

Who decides?

The government? How?

The government can never decide that.

So…

As Americans, WE SEPARATE CHURCHES FROM THE STATE.

Amen.

I personally, would prefer that we honored the vision of the Founding Fathers, who, having had full knowledge of what it was actually like to have escaped a Christian nation which had persecuted ANY who were not part of the King of England's Church.

The King of England was also the chief stockholder in the largest corporation in the world, The British East India company.

And, that company, thru it's economic/Political/Religious POWER, was

trying it's best to bankrupt all of the Mom and Pop Tea importers in the American colonies, by lowering the taxes on the British East India company.

Using market share, boycott, supply and demand, and unfair taxes, the head of the Church of England was doing his level best to prevent Americans from having their own businesses, and their own destiny, because he was exercising political and economic power.

Bostonians threw his tea in the harbor, fearful that they would be hanged for treason.

They swore each other to secrecy until they were all gone, to protect each other from the crown's vengeance.

But they succeeded in establishing The United States of America.

King George's Britain was a nation where church and state were not separate.

Part of the reason to hate the guy is that he was a religious monarch with his own army.

Think very carefully about allowing any one politician or special interest to print scripture on public buildings or money.

It's, after all, not that American.

Hitler was big into his corny version of christian scripture being printed on government anything.

He was going to deliver a thousand years of peace, in God's name. We're still waiting.

It's American to protect Everybody's right to believe in God any way that they want, and to also not be forced to believe…

1) …in any body else's version of God, (face it, all of the scriptures are written by human beings, regardless of how correct you think your version is, others disagree) or…

2) …in God at all.

Would God force you to believe in him/her/it?

Has He/she/it?

If not, then why would I want to force other Americans to pay their tax dollars to have your "words of God" engraved on one of OUR public buildings?

Or, what if they had a bigger e-mail list or more money and got the "wrong God words" on your public building?

David

]]> By: Joseph, Portland http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/19/morning-bell-protecting-religious-liberty/#comment-11597 Joseph, Portland Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:58:30 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/19/morning-bell-protecting-religious-liberty/#comment-11597 Once again the NYT has proved its infinite wisdom through yet another fallacy of there own. Even worse, they covered this topic in September of 1999. Has anyone checked its stock price lately? $21.14 fifty-two weeks ago all the way down to $6.66 as of today. Is it possible that we could be looking at another government bailout?? Once again the NYT has proved its infinite wisdom through yet another fallacy of there own. Even worse, they covered this topic in September of 1999. Has anyone checked its stock price lately? $21.14 fifty-two weeks ago all the way down to $6.66 as of today. Is it possible that we could be looking at another government bailout??

]]> By: Penny Thompson http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/19/morning-bell-protecting-religious-liberty/#comment-11595 Penny Thompson Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:53:47 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/19/morning-bell-protecting-religious-liberty/#comment-11595 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4</a> Here in lies the answer to who caused this crisis-Dodd and Frank know that the sheeple will believe any lie that the NYT will print. Obama's "change" team consists of most of the people who had their dirty little fingers in the Fannie/Freddie pie and the ones who were supposed to be watching the hen house are now the ones investigating what went wrong!!!!! God help us! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4
Here in lies the answer to who caused this crisis-Dodd and Frank know that the sheeple will believe any lie that the NYT will print. Obama's "change" team consists of most of the people who had their dirty little fingers in the Fannie/Freddie pie and the ones who were supposed to be watching the hen house are now the ones investigating what went wrong!!!!! God help us!

]]> By: Dave Schraub, coates http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/19/morning-bell-protecting-religious-liberty/#comment-11593 Dave Schraub, coates Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:37:24 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/19/morning-bell-protecting-religious-liberty/#comment-11593 ditto's to Mr McDuffie! the only thing he did'nt say was the worst amendment to the constitution is the XXVI, which gave 18 year olds the right to vote. they don't pay taxes, they don't contribute to society, and they're still being indoctinated by the liberal school system. they are the votes that put the liberals in power. ditto's to Mr McDuffie! the only thing he did'nt say was the worst amendment to the constitution is the XXVI, which gave 18 year olds the right to vote. they don't pay taxes, they don't contribute to society, and they're still being indoctinated by the liberal school system. they are the votes that put the liberals in power.

]]> By: Dennis Weber Kalam http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/19/morning-bell-protecting-religious-liberty/#comment-11586 Dennis Weber Kalam Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:13:14 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/19/morning-bell-protecting-religious-liberty/#comment-11586 All the media are telling us that we and the rest of the world are all interconnected economically and thus America must adjust our policies and "join the crowd". America is two things, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. We cannot and must not let world markets ands globalism ruin our Liberty and Freedom that we have fought and died for. It is NOT TRUE that the economy is the most important thing in America. The most important thing is to keep our Freedom, Liberty and to NOT dilute them with bowing to the World Market and Globalism. Amereicans have fought and died for liberty and freedom and NOT FOR television stations, cars, television programs. and all the other things that are of little importance when balanced against our Liberty. Global business, global banking, global government are not of any importance when balanced against our Liberty. I will not live in a country where our leaders worship globalism instead on the precepts of the Declaration of Independence. Governments, the world over, have converted law into a weapon that is used to subjugate their citizens. All the media are telling us that we and the rest of the world are all interconnected economically and thus America must adjust our policies and "join the crowd". America is two things, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. We cannot and must not let world markets ands globalism ruin our Liberty and Freedom that we have fought and died for. It is NOT TRUE that the economy is the most important thing in America. The most important thing is to keep our Freedom, Liberty and to NOT dilute them with bowing to the World Market and Globalism. Amereicans have fought and died for liberty and freedom and NOT FOR television stations, cars, television programs. and all the other things that are of little importance when balanced against our Liberty. Global business, global banking, global government are not of any importance when balanced against our Liberty. I will not live in a country where our leaders worship globalism instead on the precepts of the Declaration of Independence. Governments, the world over, have converted law into a weapon that is used to subjugate their citizens.

]]> By: Doris Morgan, Oklaho http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/19/morning-bell-protecting-religious-liberty/#comment-11584 Doris Morgan, Oklaho Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:00:26 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/19/morning-bell-protecting-religious-liberty/#comment-11584 Regarding the boycotting of those businesses contributing to the passage of Prop 8: Just a good old-fashioned way of saying "butt out".... not everything in this world is your business... especially to those contributors out-of-state. Calls at private homes and things of that ilk are just uncalled for, though. Make it just business...not personal. Take the high road. Regarding the boycotting of those businesses

contributing to the passage of Prop 8: Just a

good old-fashioned way of saying "butt out"….

not everything in this world is your business…

especially to those contributors out-of-state.

Calls at private homes and things of that ilk

are just uncalled for, though. Make it just business…not personal. Take the high road.

]]> By: Dave McDuffie, lagun http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/19/morning-bell-protecting-religious-liberty/#comment-11583 Dave McDuffie, lagun Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:48:49 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/19/morning-bell-protecting-religious-liberty/#comment-11583 George Bush is a huge disappointment to me personally considering I am a conservative(hated by the liberal media and especially the communist New York Times, which now has a circulation of 6 I believe)and I voted for the man twice...patuiii! He has single handedly destroyed the republican party AND the conservative movement all in one fell swoop! The most liberal president in history, and the libs still hate his guts, no border security and his support of amnesty for illegals so conservatives hate his guts! As for Iraq, Saddam HAD to be taken out and for all of you goodiegoods who have never been to war and are always willing to let someone else do the dirty work while you flap your ignorant gums, in war there is only 2 goals: 1) WIN 2) WIN QUICKLY. And, whoever has the most RULES, LOSES! When your country and its people are threatened THERE ARE NO RULES! And whomever wants to make rules or tie our hands behind our backs or give comfort to the enemy, should be tied up and SHOT! If that had been the way, we would have won also Korea, Vietnam and we would already be out of Iraq and no longer threatened by the Islamic Jihad which does intend to conquer the world. Rather than ignore them, just look at the many thousands of people who they are murdering on a daily basis around the world. You won't find it in the NEW YORK SLIMES though, they pretend it does not exist and of course they don't want to hurt the Islamists' FEELINGS, like typical liberals. And back to Bush, as president he allowed the crooks in the democratic party to run wild and take hundreds of millions of dollars from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and those crooks, Raines, Gorelick, Dodd, Frank and others ARE STILL THERE! We won't mention the millions Obama received, oh I guess we did. We the people are allowing this renegade government to steal us blind and our kids and grand kids will have to pay for it! Way to go America! Way to sit there and DO NOTHING! Millions of real Americans gave their lives for US and our country and you whimps sit there and do nothing. The "greatest generation" has been replaced by the "whimpiest generation"! What happened to Greece, the Roman Empire? History teaches us we fail to learn from history. George Bush is a huge disappointment to me personally considering I am a conservative(hated by the liberal media and especially the communist New York Times, which now has a circulation of 6 I believe)and I voted for the man twice…patuiii! He has single handedly destroyed the republican party AND the conservative movement all in one fell swoop! The most liberal president in history, and the libs still hate his guts, no border security and his support of amnesty for illegals so conservatives hate his guts! As for Iraq, Saddam HAD to be taken out and for all of you goodiegoods who have never been to war and are always willing to let someone else do the dirty work while you flap your ignorant gums, in war there is only 2 goals: 1) WIN 2) WIN QUICKLY. And, whoever has the most RULES, LOSES! When your country and its people are threatened THERE ARE NO RULES! And whomever wants to make rules or tie our hands behind our backs or give comfort to the enemy, should be tied up and SHOT! If that had been the way, we would have won also Korea, Vietnam and we would already be out of Iraq and no longer threatened by the Islamic Jihad which does intend to conquer the world. Rather than ignore them, just look at the many thousands of people who they are murdering on a daily basis around the world. You won't find it in the NEW YORK SLIMES though, they pretend it does not exist and of course they don't want to hurt the Islamists' FEELINGS, like typical liberals. And back to Bush, as president he allowed the crooks in the democratic party to run wild and take hundreds of millions of dollars from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and those crooks, Raines, Gorelick, Dodd, Frank and others ARE STILL THERE! We won't mention the millions Obama received, oh I guess we did. We the people are allowing this renegade government to steal us blind and our kids and grand kids will have to pay for it! Way to go America! Way to sit there and DO NOTHING! Millions of real Americans gave their lives for US and our country and you whimps sit there and do nothing. The "greatest generation" has been replaced by the "whimpiest generation"! What happened to Greece, the Roman Empire? History teaches us we fail to learn from history.

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