Comments on: The Auto Bailout: So Wrong in So Many Ways http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/10/the-auto-bailout-so-wrong-in-so-many-ways/ Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:27:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Tom Rant http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/10/the-auto-bailout-so-wrong-in-so-many-ways/#comment-10957 Tom Rant Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:40:09 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/10/the-auto-bailout-so-wrong-in-so-many-ways/#comment-10957 I believe that the auto makers financial problems are caused for the most part by the UAW. The union has strangled the company's to death. Now they are trying to do the same thing to the country. In this town few people doing factory work make more than $14.00 an hour. The UAW expects those people to want there tax dollars spent on a bailout for the auto industry. Most of these UAW workers are unskilled. Someone shows them how to put in a wingshield or grind a casting and they do that day after day. And yet they seek to be paid like bank presidents. Bankruptcy is the best option for the car makers and for the country. You can find contact information for your congressman or women and senitors on the internet. If you oppose this bailout contact them by phone or letter and tell them to stop handing out your tax dollars to the auto makers. I believe that the auto makers financial problems are caused for the most part by the UAW. The union has strangled the company's to death. Now they are trying to do the same thing to the country. In this town few people doing factory work make more than $14.00 an hour. The UAW expects those people to want there tax dollars spent on a bailout for the auto industry. Most of these UAW workers are unskilled. Someone shows them how to put in a wingshield or grind a casting and they do that day after day. And yet they seek to be paid like bank presidents. Bankruptcy is the best option for the car makers and for the country. You can find contact information for your congressman or women and senitors on the internet. If you oppose this bailout contact them by phone or letter and tell them to stop handing out your tax dollars to the auto makers.

]]> By: Marvin Stehr, O&#039 http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/10/the-auto-bailout-so-wrong-in-so-many-ways/#comment-10923 Marvin Stehr, O&#039 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:00:42 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/10/the-auto-bailout-so-wrong-in-so-many-ways/#comment-10923 You are wrong about the so-called bailout, actually a loan, not a gift! While, I tend to agree in principle that the government should not get involved with private business, the core problem is that the government has been overly involved, placing hurdles in front of the domestic automobile industry. for the last 40 years, the United states government has regulated and regulated and regulated the domestic automobile industry, ie; ever increasing standards for: manufacturing plants emissions, automobile emissions, safety standards for automobiles, and fuel efficiency for automobiles. Most of the costs for research and development for these items was born by General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler, NOT the foreign automakers. While the domestic auto industry was held to these standards, the foreign auto imports often were given exemptions from the same standards. The foreign imports, notably Japanese autos, were subsidized by the foreign governemnts (Japan), being dumped in the USA at below cost. This is how the foreing automakers gained increasing shares of the American auto marketshare. The foreign aitomakers have manufactured cars within the United states only in recent years, thus accountin gor lower "legacy costs". Had these foreign automanufacturers been producing cars in the USA for the last 60 to 90 years as have GM and Ford, then they would have more retirees too. Also GM, Ford, and Chrysler naturally evolved and grew within the USA, whileas, the foreign automakers were able to use unfair trade practices to gain a huge chunk of the market share in the USA and then they were able to cherry pick low wage, low cost-of-living, right-to-work southern states in which to build their plants. this is not a luxury that the domestic auto industry had. Since the federal government caused much of the financial problems of the Big Three automakers, it is only right for the government to correct the wrongs by providing financial help to the big three automakers. Then the government MUST get out of the way and quit placing more regulations on the automakers and dictating what kind of products that they must make. As to the claim that GM sells fuel efficient autos in South America or Europe, so why can't they make and sell them in the USA? The reason is the damn Congress and EPA and envirnmentalists will not allow drilling of domestic natural gas or diesel oil, which is what powers these GM product in foreign countries To blame and demand that the workers and retirees take a disproportionate cut in wages, pensions, and benefits is also wrong. It is true there should and can be some cuts, but the Repuclicans and conservatives, of whom I thought I was a member until the last couple of weeks, seem hell bent on busting unions and lowering wages, whileas the democrats seem hell bent on demanding more fuel efficiency and environmental, and safety satnadards on the auto industry. As such, both politial parties suck! You are wrong about the so-called bailout, actually a loan, not a gift! While, I tend to agree in principle that the government should not get involved with private business, the core problem is that the government has been overly involved, placing hurdles in front of the domestic automobile industry. for the last 40 years, the United states government has regulated and regulated and regulated the domestic automobile industry, ie; ever increasing standards for: manufacturing plants emissions, automobile emissions, safety standards for automobiles, and fuel efficiency for automobiles. Most of the costs for research and development for these items was born by General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler, NOT the foreign automakers. While the domestic auto industry was held to these standards, the foreign auto imports often were given exemptions from the same standards. The foreign imports, notably Japanese autos, were subsidized by the foreign governemnts (Japan), being dumped in the USA at below cost. This is how the foreing automakers gained increasing shares of the American auto marketshare. The foreign aitomakers have manufactured cars within the United states only in recent years, thus accountin gor lower "legacy costs". Had these foreign automanufacturers been producing cars in the USA for the last 60 to 90 years as have GM and Ford, then they would have more retirees too. Also GM, Ford, and Chrysler naturally evolved and grew within the USA, whileas, the foreign automakers were able to use unfair trade practices to gain a huge chunk of the market share in the USA and then they were able to cherry pick low wage, low cost-of-living, right-to-work southern states in which to build their plants. this is not a luxury that the domestic auto industry had. Since the federal government caused much of the financial problems of the Big Three automakers, it is only right for the government to correct the wrongs by providing financial help to the big three automakers. Then the government MUST get out of the way and quit placing more regulations on the automakers and dictating what kind of products that they must make. As to the claim that GM sells fuel efficient autos in South America or Europe, so why can't they make and sell them in the USA? The reason is the damn Congress and EPA and envirnmentalists will not allow drilling of domestic natural gas or diesel oil, which is what powers these GM product in foreign countries

To blame and demand that the workers and retirees take a disproportionate cut in wages, pensions, and benefits is also wrong. It is true there should and can be some cuts, but the Repuclicans and conservatives, of whom I thought I was a member until the last couple of weeks, seem hell bent on busting unions and lowering wages, whileas the democrats seem hell bent on demanding more fuel efficiency and environmental, and safety satnadards on the auto industry. As such, both politial parties suck!

]]> By: William A Flegenheim http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/10/the-auto-bailout-so-wrong-in-so-many-ways/#comment-10798 William A Flegenheim Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:28:12 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/10/the-auto-bailout-so-wrong-in-so-many-ways/#comment-10798 I agree with the auto makers filing chapter 11 the sooner the better. However, that is not the question, the question is HOW CAN WE GET OUR OWN ELECTED OFFICALS TO AGREE!!!. I have been writing them to "let the auto makers file chapter 11, like the airlines" and I get back a bunch of stat.about losing all that labor" they do not even understand that labor is over 50% of the problem. It time that the auto makers cut off this "money tree" to the labor unions that is too much greed on the labor unions part of this. What do we do about this as regular tax payers? the I agree with the auto makers filing chapter 11

the sooner the better. However, that is not the

question, the question is HOW CAN WE GET OUR OWN

ELECTED OFFICALS TO AGREE!!!.

I have been writing them to "let the auto makers

file chapter 11, like the airlines" and I get back a bunch of stat.about losing all that labor"

they do not even understand that labor is over 50%

of the problem.

It time that the auto makers cut off this "money tree" to the labor unions that is too much greed on the labor unions part of this.

What do we do about this as regular tax payers?

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]]> By: The Auto Bailout: So Wrong in So Many Ways « Conservative Thoughts and Profundity http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/10/the-auto-bailout-so-wrong-in-so-many-ways/#comment-10759 The Auto Bailout: So Wrong in So Many Ways « Conservative Thoughts and Profundity Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:35:12 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/10/the-auto-bailout-so-wrong-in-so-many-ways/#comment-10759 [...] David Harsanyi makes the public choice, rent seeking argument as to why bankruptcy isn’t an option: Continue reading . . [...] [...] David Harsanyi makes the public choice, rent seeking argument as to why bankruptcy isn’t an option: Continue reading . . [...]

]]> By: Spiritof76, New Hamp http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/10/the-auto-bailout-so-wrong-in-so-many-ways/#comment-10758 Spiritof76, New Hamp Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:32:11 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/10/the-auto-bailout-so-wrong-in-so-many-ways/#comment-10758 It is disgusting to read that US through legislation converting its economy to a Soviet style. With Car Czar in place, GM will make cars that nobody would buy, like the cars of the Soviet Union of the past- clunky, poor reliability and shoddy. US Auto manufacturers will die faster with government intervention. I say that all those people that talk so fondly about the electric car, should be forbidden to buy fuel powered cars. Let every Congressman drive only those and should be forbidden from flying, waiting for solar-powered airplane. It is so stunning to come across so much stupidity among the educated Americans. May be they have another agenda- kill Capitalism and establish socialism! It is disgusting to read that US through legislation converting its economy to a Soviet style. With Car Czar in place, GM will make cars that nobody would buy, like the cars of the Soviet Union of the past- clunky, poor reliability and shoddy. US Auto manufacturers will die faster with government intervention.

I say that all those people that talk so fondly about the electric car, should be forbidden to buy fuel powered cars. Let every Congressman drive only those and should be forbidden from flying, waiting for solar-powered airplane.

It is so stunning to come across so much stupidity among the educated Americans. May be they have another agenda- kill Capitalism and establish socialism!

]]> By: Eric, Green Bay WI http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/10/the-auto-bailout-so-wrong-in-so-many-ways/#comment-10754 Eric, Green Bay WI Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:03:06 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/10/the-auto-bailout-so-wrong-in-so-many-ways/#comment-10754 Amen. I say let them file bankruptcy and reorganize. The things Ford and GM represent in this country will never change. The vehicles will still be made, the people will still buy them because they want to. The workers will be going to work in the moring, just for most likely someone else. Chrysler is not owned by the person that founded it, it is owned by a corporation that bought it when it was weak. Ford and GM face the same fate, like it or not. I will still buy a Mustang because of what it represents to me, not because of who owns/runs the company. The last thing we need is a government that can't even run itself right, running a business that is a backbone to our economy. We need only look at the national debt to realize the government makes more bad decisions than good. Amen. I say let them file bankruptcy and reorganize. The things Ford and GM represent in this country will never change. The vehicles will still be made, the people will still buy them because they want to. The workers will be going to work in the moring, just for most likely someone else. Chrysler is not owned by the person that founded it, it is owned by a corporation that bought it when it was weak. Ford and GM face the same fate, like it or not. I will still buy a Mustang because of what it represents to me, not because of who owns/runs the company. The last thing we need is a government that can't even run itself right, running a business that is a backbone to our economy. We need only look at the national debt to realize the government makes more bad decisions than good.

]]> By: Barb -mn http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/10/the-auto-bailout-so-wrong-in-so-many-ways/#comment-10748 Barb -mn Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:37:57 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/10/the-auto-bailout-so-wrong-in-so-many-ways/#comment-10748 Agreed! No congressional involvement! In fact, is there a way to know if and what businesses (of course, besides the big 3) is subsidized by the government? If not, it needs to be insisted. We will not give money to businesses that are unable to run it on their own. Every business the government subsidizes we want full notification before we choose to enter that business. We have a right to know. Agreed! No congressional involvement! In fact, is there a way to know if and what businesses (of course, besides the big 3) is subsidized by the government? If not, it needs to be insisted. We will not give money to businesses that are unable to run it on their own. Every business the government subsidizes we want full notification before we choose to enter that business. We have a right to know.

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