Comments on: Morning Bell: The Ugly Face of Progressive Corporatism http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/10/morning-bell-the-ugly-face-of-progressive-corporatism/ Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:06:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Morning Bell: The Ugly Face of Progressive Corporatism » The Foundry http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/10/morning-bell-the-ugly-face-of-progressive-corporatism/#comment-10918 Morning Bell: The Ugly Face of Progressive Corporatism » The Foundry Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:59:27 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/10/morning-bell-the-ugly-face-of-progressive-corporatism/#comment-10918 [...] Morning Bell: The Ugly Face of Progressive Corporatism » The Foundry The unprofitable rules and regulations forced upon business by members of the Democrat party and corrupt labor unions will force them to move south of the border. The question as to whether a free people can govern themselves is being … [...] [...] Morning Bell: The Ugly Face of Progressive Corporatism » The Foundry The unprofitable rules and regulations forced upon business by members of the Democrat party and corrupt labor unions will force them to move south of the border. The question as to whether a free people can govern themselves is being … [...]

]]> By: david richfield http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/10/morning-bell-the-ugly-face-of-progressive-corporatism/#comment-10837 david richfield Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:28:50 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/10/morning-bell-the-ugly-face-of-progressive-corporatism/#comment-10837 No takers on the auto loan debate? ...chicken. Loan Detroit a bandaid, for Chrissakes. It's eleven days in Iraq, for which we get nothing. Filibuster-threatening southern reporklicans are Country Last. THEY HATE AMERICA. McConnell, Corker, and Shelby want to control what union workers make. Why should they be the voice of labor in America, when they are only self-serving? All they care about is getting re-elected in their Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina SCAB FOREIGN CAR MANUFACTURING STATES. They are selling the American worker down the river as hard as they can, so that they can appeal to their dwindling reporklicon base... use their puffy union-busting "save the taxpayers money" rhetoric to get 2010 campaign contributions from these foreign auto makers. HMMM... They ARE idiots. They will be flogged at the polls. They are anti-American. You, as a patriot should be outraged at the threats of these "representatives" of the states of Kentucky, Tennessee, and South Carolina, in their effort to disrupt the peaceful economy of the United States of America by stating that the UAW workers should agree to never get more than the non-union foreign usurpers of our American international auto export industry. Especially since the citizens of these great southern states have already offered financial incentives to the above mentioned foreign auto-manufacturers. It's just silly. we should stop. Who is fooled by this charade? Hopefully not you, my friend. The UAW is not the enemy. The price of an American made automobile is only 1/10 labor. The widely touted $70/hr is a cooked figure, my friends. It is the costs of retirees and workers divided by the number of workers. Also, the second tier of new union auto workers starts at $14/hr. Hmm, sounds like minimum wage, if you have any dependents. 2nd tier $28/hr. Comparable to Nissan, Toyota, and the European scab operations in these United States. ...Why not promote our own auto industry? Why not help our own auto workers? Where the hell is our national energy policy? Where the hell is the protection for American workers? What is it that our representatives are sworn to do? Uphold the Constitution- protect US. Work for US. WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. boils down to... Who owns the economy? Who represents the American worker? Think carefully. The corporations are well repesentented by their own lobbyists, and lobbyist budgets. They have a voice. Do you? do workers? Why hate unions? ? Every one of you grew up here. In a union-dominated America. 25% of wage earners were union when Reagan took office. That pushed up wages, pensions, benefits, retirement for another 25%. Now it's seven%. But consider.... We've all grown up with.... ...Government-run PO. Fire. Police. Courts. Roads. Bridges. Schools. ETC! And all of the above again given to the corporations who hire those who use and grew up with the above. ...THE COMMONS. who ever even mentions it? Are corporations persons? I say no. I say they need to perform at least partly for the PUBLIC GOOD. Our predecessors thought so. The goons have taken the gavel. We will take it back for the American people. David No takers on the auto loan debate?

…chicken.

Loan Detroit a bandaid, for Chrissakes.

It's eleven days in Iraq, for which we get nothing.

Filibuster-threatening southern reporklicans are

Country Last.

THEY HATE AMERICA.

McConnell, Corker, and Shelby want to control what union workers make.

Why should they be the voice of labor in America, when they are only self-serving?

All they care about is getting re-elected in their Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina SCAB FOREIGN CAR MANUFACTURING STATES.

They are selling the American worker down the river as hard as they can, so that they can appeal to their dwindling reporklicon base… use their puffy union-busting "save the taxpayers money" rhetoric to get 2010 campaign contributions from these foreign auto makers.

HMMM…

They ARE idiots.

They will be flogged at the polls.

They are anti-American.

You, as a patriot should be outraged at the threats of

these "representatives" of the states of Kentucky, Tennessee, and South Carolina, in their effort to disrupt the peaceful economy of the United States of America by stating that the UAW workers should agree to never get more than the non-union foreign usurpers of our American international auto export industry.

Especially since the citizens of these great southern states have already offered financial incentives to the above mentioned foreign auto-manufacturers.

It's just silly.

we should stop.

Who is fooled by this charade?

Hopefully not you, my friend.

The UAW is not the enemy.

The price of an American made automobile is only 1/10 labor.

The widely touted $70/hr is a cooked figure, my friends.

It is the costs of retirees and workers divided by the number of workers.

Also, the second tier of new union auto workers starts at $14/hr.

Hmm, sounds like minimum wage, if you have any dependents.

2nd tier $28/hr.

Comparable to Nissan, Toyota, and the European scab operations in these United States.

…Why not promote our own auto industry?

Why not help our own auto workers?

Where the hell is our national energy policy?

Where the hell is the protection for American workers?

What is it that our representatives are sworn to do?

Uphold the Constitution- protect US. Work for US.

WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT.

boils down to…

Who owns the economy?

Who represents the American worker?

Think carefully.

The corporations are well repesentented by their own lobbyists, and lobbyist budgets.

They have a voice.

Do you?

do workers?

Why hate unions?

?

Every one of you grew up here.

In a union-dominated America.

25% of wage earners were union when Reagan took office.

That pushed up wages, pensions, benefits, retirement for another 25%.

Now it's seven%.

But consider….

We've all grown up with….

…Government-run PO.

Fire.

Police.

Courts.

Roads.

Bridges.

Schools.

ETC!

And all of the above again given to the corporations who hire those who use and grew up with the above.

…THE COMMONS.

who ever even mentions it?

Are corporations persons?

I say no.

I say they need to perform at least partly for the PUBLIC GOOD.

Our predecessors thought so.

The goons have taken the gavel.

We will take it back for the American people.

David

]]> By: mike hutchings texas http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/10/morning-bell-the-ugly-face-of-progressive-corporatism/#comment-10797 mike hutchings texas Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:24:30 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/10/morning-bell-the-ugly-face-of-progressive-corporatism/#comment-10797 there was an article in the fiancial times about how goverments may find it in thier interests to model themselves on europe.it pointed out one currency and thousands of laws and its ability to send troops abroad. the troops abroad was a laugh. this goverment was presented as the best way to deal with weather change and the economic crisis both of which can be conjured out of thin air as needed.any underworld operation or pardon me under the radar operation needs a base and a base means cash. energy in what ever form it takes is to the one worlders what book makeing and narcotics is to crime families. it provides an income to management and the chicago machine operates by harvesting cash from govermental agencies that are able to extort it away from the people. sorry tax it away and take thier cut off the top and pay off top management and middle management as its needs evolve. envision world peace and one world in harmony reminds me of a chorus of aged 1960s flower children embracing utopia under the gaze of thier handlers in front of a giant picture of the current savior knowing it will work this time. they may not believe in god but they are sure afraid of him.would that i had such faith. unions that fail to adapt to economic conditions but turn instead to being auxilaries of goverment are dangerous to this country. there is nothing progressive about them and thier marxist idiotology has its roots in tribalism and concensus derived from chiefs at the expense of indians.i notice that bosses do well in all weathers, climate change or not, economic condition or not.keep that in mind when thier latest mouth piece speaks with compassion not forgetting that the only buissness they know is skimming off the top.you want to sell cars get the and crooks and thier green cronies out of the way.stop goverment-entities holding energy supplies hostage and let it work and prices will be stable instead of wheeling out the melting artic and out of context pictures of polars bears drowning and styrofoam ice flows every time politicians feel the need to feed the continueing crisis.we need to get a grip on this because they mean us ill and have no intention of fixing it any time soon. there was an article in the fiancial times about how goverments may find it in thier interests to model themselves on europe.it pointed out one currency and thousands of laws and its ability to send troops abroad. the troops abroad was a laugh. this goverment was presented as the best way to deal with weather change and the economic crisis both of which can be conjured out of thin air as needed.any underworld operation or pardon me under the radar operation needs a base and a base means cash. energy in what ever form it takes is to the one worlders what book makeing and narcotics is to crime families. it provides an income to management and the chicago machine operates by harvesting cash from govermental agencies that are able to extort it away from the people. sorry tax it away and take thier cut off the top and pay off top management and middle management as its needs evolve. envision world peace and one world in harmony reminds me of a chorus of aged 1960s flower children embracing utopia under the gaze of thier handlers in front of a giant picture of the current savior knowing it will work this time. they may not believe in god but they are sure afraid of him.would that i had such faith. unions that fail to adapt to economic conditions but turn instead to being auxilaries of goverment are dangerous to this country. there is nothing progressive about them and thier marxist idiotology has its roots in tribalism and concensus derived from chiefs at the expense of indians.i notice that bosses do well in all weathers, climate change or not, economic condition or not.keep that in mind when thier latest mouth piece speaks with compassion not forgetting that the only buissness they know is skimming off the top.you want to sell cars get the and crooks and thier green cronies out of the way.stop goverment-entities holding energy supplies hostage and let it work and prices will be stable instead of wheeling out the melting artic and out of context pictures of polars bears drowning and styrofoam ice flows every time politicians feel the need to feed the continueing crisis.we need to get a grip on this because they mean us ill and have no intention of fixing it any time soon.

]]> By: Dennis Aderholt Soci http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/10/morning-bell-the-ugly-face-of-progressive-corporatism/#comment-10785 Dennis Aderholt Soci Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:21:29 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/10/morning-bell-the-ugly-face-of-progressive-corporatism/#comment-10785 The dem can not stop what they do best. It is a wonder that more elected officals have not been arrested in this deal. Chicago is noted for its elected officals and they way they conduct business. We now have one for the office of President, and every one wants to bad mouth President Bush. Lets see how deeo this stink will go, but then I am sure the dems will find a way to keep it off of anyone they think might hurt them in the White House. The dem can not stop what they do best. It is a wonder that more elected officals have not been arrested in this deal. Chicago is noted for its elected officals and they way they conduct business. We now have one for the office of President, and every one wants to bad mouth President Bush. Lets see how deeo this stink will go, but then I am sure the dems will find a way to keep it off of anyone they think might hurt them in the White House.

]]> By: david richfield http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/10/morning-bell-the-ugly-face-of-progressive-corporatism/#comment-10774 david richfield Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:03:40 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/10/morning-bell-the-ugly-face-of-progressive-corporatism/#comment-10774 Dear Senators and Congressperson, friends and family, I'm on both sides of this car issue. But We need a temporary loan (bandaid) for the car industries. All I've heard from my tiny corporate tv is that this is a bailout. BULL. They'll pay it back. Chrysler did before. It worked. It's eleven days in Iraq. Can CONGRESS please third degree the war industries about their profitable strategies regarding the costs to the taxpayer for the next eleven days in Iraq? ...I guess not. What are we getting for the the next eleven days in Iraq?? Nothing. 3 million jobs are at stake right now. And that's just for starters. Don't do it, risk the 90 days, RISK ALL OF THE ANCILLARY JOBS, sign on with the right wing sanctimonious bastards in congress about how bankruptcy might be the solution, (bust the union) listen to the right wing corporate media that governs us now, and.... this will create a depression, and wreck the UAW. (that's what they want) But YOU don't want this. Believe me. The UAW is... the last giant progressive democratic machine that is left in this great country. You have a vote in the union. Try making your local ceo do anything. He's too big to fail. He's too big. . Bust them up. corporations are dominions, planets unto themselves. The right wing war industry is trying to get rid of the UAW NOW. Via your little corporate tv... Do you get this? disagree? ....Debate me. Congress, before they were "bailout fatigued", signed actual bailouts for the bank/casino industry in excess of a trillion dollars. Most of them aren't frigging banks. they've lobbied to wreck the actual banking industry in this country, and they have gambled with trillion of dollars of your investments, and ruined your retirement. (And they could only do it because they spend millions lobbying, which you and I don't have the money to do, which leaves us unrepresented) Wall street rules american fiscal and economic policy. It's wrong. THE ONLY REASON THAT THE "banks" GOT THE MONEY WITHOUT A QUESTION, (WHICH WON'T SOLVE A FUCKING THING,) IS they hold the money for the upper class. Nobody asked them a question about how they were going to... 1) become solvent, stay that way or become more solvent 2) get their heads out of their asses 3) get rid of their blue collar union. Our problem now, is we don't have the manufacturing that we had in 1933 to get out of this mess. The "banks" (casinos) already got over a trillion dollars. No paypack, oversight, or attention to the homeowner, which would be the solution to this crisis. Okay, what's the solution? DEMAND. WAGES. IT WON'T BE SOLVED ANY OTHER WAY. .. fine...debate me. Supply has been great forever. Corporations are making tons of incredible products, which are now languishing on their shelves,.... made in china by nonunion toddlers who work 90 hour weeks. (But they are only paid for 50 hours.) Nobody has any money to buy this stuff. What kind of economy is that? Have a ethical problem with this yet? Still voting with your dollars? You can't buy anything made in the USA anymore. How can you vote with a dollar? DEMAND AND WAGES HAVE BEEN STAGNANT since Reagonomics. America's unions are being destroyed. Since unfair corporate trade agreements have been shoved thru Washington. When Reagan took office, a quarter of our wage earners had union jobs. The unions set the bar, and our economy mirrored an equal number of jobs comparable in wages, pensions, and benefits. One wage earner raised a family, had two cars, a boat, a lake home. college for the kids, and national security. Let's get to the solution... Keep jobs in America. It's just a shift in policy. A sane policy, A CHANGE BACK TO WHAT MAKES SENSE. The trade policy of your founding fathers. Protect American industry. Tariffs. The policy that every one of your national competitors on the world market are CURRENTLY EMPLOYING. We aren't selling any cars in Asia, because they prevent it by a 30% tariff. What's our tariff on Asian imports, since reagan? 2.5%. that's why America doesn't export anything any more. Isn't is stupid? Don't you agree? DON'T YOU WANT TO BE COMPETITIVE in the global markets? get money in your pocket, not a credit card. (Greenspam) It's our job now to recreate the THE GREAT MIDDLE CLASS OF AMERICANS that has been destroyed by voodoo reaganomics. Unions and the other jobs that they create in the economy which have living wage, benefits, and pensions. The nation In which I grew up. The class which, at this point , seems to be about DOA. Please resurrect our middle class. It wasn't an accident. I took effort, intention, purpose. It was our nation. let's bring it back. let;s actually go country first. The economy exists for WE THE PEOPLE. David Dear Senators and Congressperson, friends and family,

I'm on both sides of this car issue.

But

We need a temporary loan (bandaid) for the car industries.

All I've heard from my tiny corporate tv is that this is a bailout.

BULL.

They'll pay it back.

Chrysler did before.

It worked.

It's eleven days in Iraq.

Can CONGRESS please third degree the war industries about their profitable strategies regarding the costs to the taxpayer for the next eleven days in Iraq?

…I guess not.

What are we getting for the the next eleven days in Iraq??

Nothing.

3 million jobs are at stake right now.

And that's just for starters.

Don't do it, risk the 90 days, RISK ALL OF THE ANCILLARY JOBS, sign on with the right wing sanctimonious bastards in congress about how bankruptcy might be the solution, (bust the union)

listen to the right wing corporate media that governs us now, and….

this will create a depression, and wreck the UAW. (that's what they want)

But YOU don't want this.

Believe me.

The UAW is… the last giant progressive democratic machine that is left in this great country.

You have a vote in the union.

Try making your local ceo do anything. He's too big to fail.

He's too big.

.

Bust them up.

corporations are dominions, planets unto themselves.

The right wing war industry is trying to get rid of the UAW NOW.

Via your little corporate tv…

Do you get this?

disagree? ….Debate me.

Congress, before they were "bailout fatigued", signed actual bailouts for the bank/casino industry in excess of a trillion dollars.

Most of them aren't frigging banks.

they've lobbied to wreck the actual banking industry in this country, and they have gambled with trillion of dollars of your investments, and ruined your retirement.

(And they could only do it because they spend millions lobbying, which you and I don't have the money to do, which leaves us unrepresented)

Wall street rules american fiscal and economic policy.

It's wrong.

THE ONLY REASON THAT THE "banks" GOT THE MONEY WITHOUT A QUESTION, (WHICH WON'T SOLVE A FUCKING THING,) IS they hold the money for the upper class.

Nobody asked them a question about how they were going to…

1) become solvent, stay that way or become more solvent

2) get their heads out of their asses

3) get rid of their blue collar union.

Our problem now, is we don't have the manufacturing that we had in 1933 to get out of this mess.

The "banks" (casinos) already got over a trillion dollars.

No paypack, oversight, or attention to the homeowner, which would be the solution to this crisis.

Okay, what's the solution?

DEMAND. WAGES.

IT WON'T BE SOLVED ANY OTHER WAY.

.. fine…debate me.

Supply has been great forever. Corporations are making tons of incredible products, which are now languishing on their shelves,….

made in china by nonunion toddlers who work 90 hour weeks. (But they are only paid for 50 hours.)

Nobody has any money to buy this stuff.

What kind of economy is that?

Have a ethical problem with this yet?

Still voting with your dollars?

You can't buy anything made in the USA anymore.

How can you vote with a dollar?

DEMAND AND WAGES HAVE BEEN STAGNANT since Reagonomics.

America's unions are being destroyed.

Since unfair corporate trade agreements have been shoved thru Washington.

When Reagan took office, a quarter of our wage earners had union jobs.

The unions set the bar, and our economy mirrored an equal number of jobs comparable in wages, pensions, and benefits.

One wage earner raised a family, had two cars, a boat, a lake home. college for the kids, and national security.

Let's get to the solution…

Keep jobs in America.

It's just a shift in policy.

A sane policy,

A CHANGE BACK TO WHAT MAKES SENSE.

The trade policy of your founding fathers.

Protect American industry.

Tariffs.

The policy that every one of your national competitors on the world market are CURRENTLY EMPLOYING.

We aren't selling any cars in Asia, because they prevent it by a 30% tariff.

What's our tariff on Asian imports, since reagan?

2.5%.

that's why America doesn't export anything any more.

Isn't is stupid?

Don't you agree?

DON'T YOU WANT TO BE COMPETITIVE in the global markets?

get money in your pocket, not a credit card. (Greenspam)

It's our job now to recreate the THE GREAT MIDDLE CLASS OF AMERICANS that has been destroyed by voodoo reaganomics.

Unions and the other jobs that they create in the economy which have living wage, benefits, and pensions.

The nation In which I grew up.

The class which, at this point , seems to be about DOA.

Please resurrect our middle class.

It wasn't an accident.

I took effort, intention, purpose.

It was our nation.

let's bring it back.

let;s actually go country first.

The economy exists for WE THE PEOPLE.

David

]]> By: Howard Wolf, Lake Fo http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/10/morning-bell-the-ugly-face-of-progressive-corporatism/#comment-10765 Howard Wolf, Lake Fo Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:43:44 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/10/morning-bell-the-ugly-face-of-progressive-corporatism/#comment-10765 This is a golden opportunity to greatly reduce the corrupting influence of unions. It can be done by not bailing out the auto industry. The congress has a moral responsibility to negate this horrible plan. This is a golden opportunity to greatly reduce the corrupting influence of unions. It can be done by not bailing out the auto industry. The congress has a moral responsibility to negate this horrible plan.

]]> By: David A. White http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/10/morning-bell-the-ugly-face-of-progressive-corporatism/#comment-10755 David A. White Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:15:12 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/10/morning-bell-the-ugly-face-of-progressive-corporatism/#comment-10755 What a bunch of BS. If this country didn't have organized labor, we would be another Mexico. What a bunch of BS. If this country didn't have organized labor, we would be another Mexico.

]]> By: atlantalisa, Suwanee http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/10/morning-bell-the-ugly-face-of-progressive-corporatism/#comment-10752 atlantalisa, Suwanee Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:09:08 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/10/morning-bell-the-ugly-face-of-progressive-corporatism/#comment-10752 I owned a Chrysler-Dodge car it turned out to be a factory lemon (really) and it was in the shop more than I drove it. I don't think they need to be bailed out! - Not with my money! I owned a Chrysler-Dodge car it turned out to be a factory lemon (really) and it was in the shop more than I drove it. I don't think they need to be bailed out! – Not with my money!

]]> By: Michael J O'Bri http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/10/morning-bell-the-ugly-face-of-progressive-corporatism/#comment-10740 Michael J O'Bri Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:33:33 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/10/morning-bell-the-ugly-face-of-progressive-corporatism/#comment-10740 Show me the Money! We would not by their cars, yet the Democrats want to give these bozos our money anyway. Show me the Money! We would not by their cars, yet the Democrats want to give these bozos our money anyway.

]]> By: Larry Harasansky Chi http://blog.heritage.org/2008/12/10/morning-bell-the-ugly-face-of-progressive-corporatism/#comment-10739 Larry Harasansky Chi Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:06:21 +0000 http://www.foundry.org/2008/12/10/morning-bell-the-ugly-face-of-progressive-corporatism/#comment-10739 To Don Miller of Texas..Toyota's are very good cars. I have a 2004 Camry and just changing the front brake pads with 100k. No other problems. The big 3 has to start thinking smart and make dependable cars. They need to cut their labor costs down or go bankrupt. The problem is they think that the word "bankrupt" has some stigma attached to it...maybe in the past but not any more. The big airline companies went bankrupt and reorganized now they are better for it. To Don Miller of Texas..Toyota's are very good cars. I have a 2004 Camry and just changing the front brake pads with 100k. No other problems. The big 3 has to start thinking smart and make dependable cars. They need to cut their labor costs down or go bankrupt. The problem is they think that the word "bankrupt" has some stigma attached to it…maybe in the past but not any more. The big airline companies went bankrupt and reorganized now they are better for it.

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