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	<title>Comments on: Morning Bell: They Left Out the Socialized Medicine Part</title>
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		<title>By: DB&#8217;s Medical Rants &#187; Universal coverage and health care rights</title>
		<link>http://blog.heritage.org/2008/10/29/morning-bell-they-left-out-the-socialized-medicine-part/#comment-7973</link>
		<dc:creator>DB&#8217;s Medical Rants &#187; Universal coverage and health care rights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Heritage Foundation strongly criticized Obama&#8217;s health care plans in this blog entry - Morning Bell: They Left Out the Socialized Medicine Part.&#160; They [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Barb - mn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barb - mn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree... if everyone paid their own it wouldn&#039;t be so expensive. There would be more choices. Those that get it free now are better taken care of. If anything goes wrong with them they are privileged with no cost lawyers and usually win, where as if anything goes wrong with the people that pay their own expense are left with the burden of cost and time and rarely win. And government healthcare, no accountability...not a victim yet, but a witness. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree&#8230; if everyone paid their own it wouldn&#039;t be so expensive. There would be more choices. Those that get it free now are better taken care of. If anything goes wrong with them they are privileged with no cost lawyers and usually win, where as if anything goes wrong with the people that pay their own expense are left with the burden of cost and time and rarely win. And government healthcare, no accountability&#8230;not a victim yet, but a witness.</p>
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		<title>By: John, Minnesota</title>
		<link>http://blog.heritage.org/2008/10/29/morning-bell-they-left-out-the-socialized-medicine-part/#comment-7990</link>
		<dc:creator>John, Minnesota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t about unfair competition by government, it is about the coercion of the american publin into socialized medicine. This plan is a classic example of an economic approach to modifying behavior while still preserving the illusion of &quot;choice&quot;. Essentially, one must devise a scheme where there are two choices (thus preserving the illusion of free will). Choice A has a strong positive economic incentive, while choice B has a negative economic incentive. People will obviously choose what is best for their pocketbook, and therefore choice B is really no choice at all.  
 
Once a vast majority of the population is on the government plan, they will play the predictable &quot;politics of envy&quot; plan: Only the rich can afford private insurance - they are the healthiest because they can afford to hire private chefs, eat better, work out at the gym, etc. The obvious solution to this problem is, of course, forcing everyone into a single-payor system.  
 
The real solution to our medical &quot;crisis&quot;: no more entitlements, tort reform to reduce malpractice insurance premiums, and the government getting out of the health insurance business. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#039;t about unfair competition by government, it is about the coercion of the american publin into socialized medicine. This plan is a classic example of an economic approach to modifying behavior while still preserving the illusion of &quot;choice&quot;. Essentially, one must devise a scheme where there are two choices (thus preserving the illusion of free will). Choice A has a strong positive economic incentive, while choice B has a negative economic incentive. People will obviously choose what is best for their pocketbook, and therefore choice B is really no choice at all. </p>
<p>Once a vast majority of the population is on the government plan, they will play the predictable &quot;politics of envy&quot; plan: Only the rich can afford private insurance &#8211; they are the healthiest because they can afford to hire private chefs, eat better, work out at the gym, etc. The obvious solution to this problem is, of course, forcing everyone into a single-payor system. </p>
<p>The real solution to our medical &quot;crisis&quot;: no more entitlements, tort reform to reduce malpractice insurance premiums, and the government getting out of the health insurance business.</p>
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		<title>By: Credit Card On Credit Speak &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Morning Bell: They Left Out the Socialized Medicine Part</title>
		<link>http://blog.heritage.org/2008/10/29/morning-bell-they-left-out-the-socialized-medicine-part/#comment-7903</link>
		<dc:creator>Credit Card On Credit Speak &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Morning Bell: They Left Out the Socialized Medicine Part</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Morning Bell: They Left Out the Socialized Medicine Part According to The Washington Post, Obama is allowing donors to use largely untraceable prepaid credit cards that could potentially be used to&#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sarah Palin On Best Political Blogs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Morning Bell: They Left Out the Socialized Medicine Part</title>
		<link>http://blog.heritage.org/2008/10/29/morning-bell-they-left-out-the-socialized-medicine-part/#comment-7890</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Palin On Best Political Blogs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Morning Bell: They Left Out the Socialized Medicine Part</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Morning Bell: They Left Out the Socialized Medicine Part Following his conviction of seven felonies, both Sarah Palin and John McCain called on Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK) to resign. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John McCain On Best Political Blogs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Morning Bell: They Left Out the Socialized Medicine Part</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McCain On Best Political Blogs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Morning Bell: They Left Out the Socialized Medicine Part</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Morning Bell: They Left Out the Socialized Medicine Part Following his conviction of seven felonies, both Sarah Palin and John McCain called on Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK) to resign. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: UPDATED..WaPo: Obama Taking Illegal Donations UPDATE: Will Media Report Palestinian Campaigning for Obama from Gaza? &#124; Right Voices</title>
		<link>http://blog.heritage.org/2008/10/29/morning-bell-they-left-out-the-socialized-medicine-part/#comment-7881</link>
		<dc:creator>UPDATED..WaPo: Obama Taking Illegal Donations UPDATE: Will Media Report Palestinian Campaigning for Obama from Gaza? &#124; Right Voices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael J O&#039;Bri</title>
		<link>http://blog.heritage.org/2008/10/29/morning-bell-they-left-out-the-socialized-medicine-part/#comment-7901</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael J O&#039;Bri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sure this guy Ken Jarvis is a plant by heritage so this forum can have spirited debates, nobody can be that ill informed and mindless.  
 
Having worked for a UK firm for many years, one of the many aspects the expats admired about this great nation is our health care system. The UK has socialized medicine [just look at the teeth of the average brit], so most executives of private companies join private health clubs to have medicine on demand,  otherwise patients, must wait months before seeing a physician.  Socialized medicine has never provided a level of health care that this country has, and the heritage is correct, the U.S. government will put the health of the population at risk and private insurers out of business.  There simply is no constitutional entitlement to health care, but Obama and the socialist democrats believe the government is better at managing our lives than the individual.  Obama has rarely told the truth about his grand design on this nation; it is simply to grow the government until there is complete income leveling, government control of our lives, and the equal sharing of misery.  Obama and his gang are not honest brokers.  The Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers are having the final laugh, and should Obama get elected, we will get what we deserve for voting for his socialist cause. Pray for the counrty. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure this guy Ken Jarvis is a plant by heritage so this forum can have spirited debates, nobody can be that ill informed and mindless. </p>
<p>Having worked for a UK firm for many years, one of the many aspects the expats admired about this great nation is our health care system. The UK has socialized medicine [just look at the teeth of the average brit], so most executives of private companies join private health clubs to have medicine on demand,  otherwise patients, must wait months before seeing a physician.  Socialized medicine has never provided a level of health care that this country has, and the heritage is correct, the U.S. government will put the health of the population at risk and private insurers out of business.  There simply is no constitutional entitlement to health care, but Obama and the socialist democrats believe the government is better at managing our lives than the individual.  Obama has rarely told the truth about his grand design on this nation; it is simply to grow the government until there is complete income leveling, government control of our lives, and the equal sharing of misery.  Obama and his gang are not honest brokers.  The Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers are having the final laugh, and should Obama get elected, we will get what we deserve for voting for his socialist cause. Pray for the counrty.</p>
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		<title>By: W Howard Baker, Bard</title>
		<link>http://blog.heritage.org/2008/10/29/morning-bell-they-left-out-the-socialized-medicine-part/#comment-7899</link>
		<dc:creator>W Howard Baker, Bard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as any portion of the mainstream media reporting the truth, assuredly you jest.  I, also, hae seen the health care systems of the single pay countries,  It sucks.  I am now 64 years old so, if I were in England, for instance, I would not qualify for any major operations that would cure terminal conditions.  We have also heard of the interminable waits for tests that we take for granted.  What has been the downfall of all the socialized medicine systems is that they didn&#039;t figure that everyone would use them since they are &quot;free&quot;.  It got the Massachusetts and Hawaii plan with the Hawaii plan lasting only seven months. 
I saw the beginning of Medicare and it was awesome.  Where, before Medicare doctors&#039; offices were pretty much empty and an appointment was a formality, after medicare the waiting rooms were &quot;standing room only&quot; and you had to make an appointment at least two weeks out for a &quot;family practitioner&quot; and well over 2 months for a &quot;specialist&quot;.  This with only a small portion of the populace involved.  You can imagine what it will be with everybody included and with parents tending to take their children to the doctor for anything. 
The government will soon realize that socialized medicine is unaffordable and start rationing the service, which will make our health care right out there with England&#039;s. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as any portion of the mainstream media reporting the truth, assuredly you jest.  I, also, hae seen the health care systems of the single pay countries,  It sucks.  I am now 64 years old so, if I were in England, for instance, I would not qualify for any major operations that would cure terminal conditions.  We have also heard of the interminable waits for tests that we take for granted.  What has been the downfall of all the socialized medicine systems is that they didn&#039;t figure that everyone would use them since they are &quot;free&quot;.  It got the Massachusetts and Hawaii plan with the Hawaii plan lasting only seven months.</p>
<p>I saw the beginning of Medicare and it was awesome.  Where, before Medicare doctors&#039; offices were pretty much empty and an appointment was a formality, after medicare the waiting rooms were &quot;standing room only&quot; and you had to make an appointment at least two weeks out for a &quot;family practitioner&quot; and well over 2 months for a &quot;specialist&quot;.  This with only a small portion of the populace involved.  You can imagine what it will be with everybody included and with parents tending to take their children to the doctor for anything.</p>
<p>The government will soon realize that socialized medicine is unaffordable and start rationing the service, which will make our health care right out there with England&#039;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Carmine lisella</title>
		<link>http://blog.heritage.org/2008/10/29/morning-bell-they-left-out-the-socialized-medicine-part/#comment-7879</link>
		<dc:creator>Carmine lisella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody but nobody, not even heritage or the rep party ever mention an obvious fact.  I could go on for a long time on this one but suffice it to say &quot;Do you want your physician or surgeon to be a civil servant&quot;?  Nobody talks about who we will attract into the profession if big money doesn&#039;t attract that best people.  Docs should make great money because if they don&#039;t they wont be there.  And please don&#039;t tell me that those who love medicine in spite of low wages will come to our rescue. I don&#039;t want someone to treat me who loves medicine; I rather want a smart guy, who can analyze and diagnose and cure me.  Don&#039;t want tree huggers to be docs, want good good people.  This can ruin the state of health care as we once knew it.  Already we don&#039;t get the care that we enjoyed years ago what with affirmative action and lowering of standards in schools and yes even in medical schools. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody but nobody, not even heritage or the rep party ever mention an obvious fact.  I could go on for a long time on this one but suffice it to say &quot;Do you want your physician or surgeon to be a civil servant&quot;?  Nobody talks about who we will attract into the profession if big money doesn&#039;t attract that best people.  Docs should make great money because if they don&#039;t they wont be there.  And please don&#039;t tell me that those who love medicine in spite of low wages will come to our rescue. I don&#039;t want someone to treat me who loves medicine; I rather want a smart guy, who can analyze and diagnose and cure me.  Don&#039;t want tree huggers to be docs, want good good people.  This can ruin the state of health care as we once knew it.  Already we don&#039;t get the care that we enjoyed years ago what with affirmative action and lowering of standards in schools and yes even in medical schools.</p>
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